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While I'm no Mangini-hater, I laughed so hard when I saw that picture. That's one of the best photoshop pics I've ever seen. 
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While I'm no Mangini-hater, I laughed so hard when I saw that picture.
That's one of the best photoshop pics I've ever seen.
I agree...I thought that was not only funny...but very well made....I would have used a filter on it to make the head appear "painted" as well....as it does stand out slightly from the painting.....but its still fantastic all the same.
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Derek Anderson gives us the best chance to win? 
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There's no reason to let him set after the half we just had.
He can dink and dunk all day and it'll look better than "Shoe String Anderson"!
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There's no reason to let him set after the half we just had.
He can dink and dunk all day and it'll look better than "Shoe String Anderson"!
I betcha he doesn't get in ... I'm sure Mangini "likes the progress he's seeing" ...
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Gini just proved this was bout the money.. as quinn enters the game with 3 mins.
I am pissed!!
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Gini just proved this was bout the money.. as quinn enters the game with 3 mins.
I am pissed!!
he just proved he was incompetant as a head coach!!!
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Gini just proved this was bout the money.. as quinn enters the game with 3 mins.
I am pissed!!
he just proved he was incompetant as a head coach!!!
and now he just calls a timeout to prolong this game.. OMG... like seriously.. you imbecile!
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Gini just proved this was bout the money.. as quinn enters the game with 3 mins.
I am pissed!!
While it isn't just about the money, I'm glad he didn't waste a bunch of money on Quinn by putting him in earlier.
That money represents a large sum that can go towards a player to help us next year, while that money wouldn't have helped Quinn at all in terms of performance or value to the team.
You and all the fans would think differently if YOU were writing the check.
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I think the problem on offense is the lack of trust in the QB position. The skill players are trying to hard to make plays and not letting the play called, flow naturally.
We saw this vs. the Bengals but on the good side. They trusted Anderson enough and he had his best game of the year. Then things went south late and Anderson lost that trust. Shows how fragile this offense is right now and Mangini's problem putting it together. It is creating one of the worst offenses of the last decade up to this point.
I still say, put in Ratliff and emotionally move on.DA and BQ have done enough damage to this franchise.
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Gini just proved this was bout the money.. as quinn enters the game with 3 mins.
I am pissed!!
While it isn't just about the money, I'm glad he didn't waste a bunch of money on Quinn by putting him in earlier.
That money represents a large sum that can go towards a player to help us next year, while that money wouldn't have helped Quinn at all in terms of performance or value to the team.
You and all the fans would think differently if YOU were writing the check.
I completely agree Toad it would have been stupid to reward him the 11 million for doing nothing!
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Problem with that logic. We need to make sure Quinn isn't the answer because if he isn't it is going to cost us a lot more than $11 million when we take a top-5 QB.
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Problem with that logic. We need to make sure Quinn isn't the answer because if he isn't it is going to cost us a lot more than $11 million when we take a top-5 QB.
Yes, BQ probably should go back in first and hope for a miracle. Though I would demote Anderson(essentially ending his season) to 3rd string and make Ratliff the backup. If BQ struggles, then we put in Ratliff and begin to emotionally heal.
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I think your assuming any player worth his salt is actually willing to come play for this team. We are gonna have to overpay anyone to sign a contract here, effectively eating up any cap space the quinn "move" saves.
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This move makes EM look like an even bigger moron to any and all free agents or draftee's. Good luck trying to sign guys to incentive deals...or signing any FA for more than 2x their market value.
Even if it had nothing to do with money, the appearance alone if going to keep money hungry players and agents away from this team. But afterall, we can win with system players.
Professional coaches and teams should never base playing time on money...but I will admit, this was not just about money, and it had zero to do with saving money.
Its punishment for Quinn, he was benched, and fined $11 million, and all that was accomplished, like all of EM's other games, was disgrace and another hit to our ability to build this team
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Problem with that logic. We need to make sure Quinn isn't the answer because if he isn't it is going to cost us a lot more than $11 million when we take a top-5 QB.
One or two games this season doesn't make a hill-of-beans difference, ESPECIALLY when weighed against $11 million dollars. 
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I think your assuming any player worth his salt is actually willing to come play for this team. We are gonna have to overpay anyone to sign a contract here, effectively eating up any cap space the quinn "move" saves.
Heard this every year since '99, and every year we sign free agents if we WANT to sign free agents.
Every team that gets the big dog is the team that pays the most. Always has been. Always will be.
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That money represents a large sum that can go towards a player to help us next year, while that money wouldn't have helped Quinn at all in terms of performance or value to the team.
You and all the fans would think differently if YOU were writing the check.
Mangini isn't writing the check, Lerner is. And Lerner just stated that he has NO IDEA why the QB situation has turned into this so evidently he was never consulted on whether or not he wanted to spend the money...... he also stated he has NO IDEA what Kokinis even does so who knows how they are thinking about the salary cap...... Mangini wanted total control, wanted to surround himself with his own puppets, wanted to make all of the decisions.. so I have no problem putting 99% of the responsibility for what we see on the field at his feet... of course if I put it at his feet, DA might hit it with a pass.
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Don't forget that gini and kok have the salary cap, whether it's them writing the checks, they are accountable for that money.
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I think your assuming any player worth his salt is actually willing to come play for this team. We are gonna have to overpay anyone to sign a contract here, effectively eating up any cap space the quinn "move" saves.
Heard this every year since '99, and every year we sign free agents if we WANT to sign free agents.
Every team that gets the big dog is the team that pays the most. Always has been. Always will be.
Big dogs, yes. They're gonna get their money. But you can't have a whole team full of big dogs, you know this.
Say your fair market value is 4 mill a year, walking in where ever you sign as a starter. Pitt offers 3yr/12M, Cle offers 3yr/15M. Do you really sign here? How much extra is worth wasting the prime years of your career away? Especially if those "agents are steering away clients" comments are true.
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Mangini isn't writing the check, Lerner is.
I wasn't talking about Mangini OR Lerner. I was talking about MY opinion and the FANS opinion, which is to say I'm glad Quinn has sat, and any fan that is mad (which means Turk) would feel differently if THEY had to cut a check for an extra $11 million unnecessarily.
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I wasn't talking about Mangini OR Lerner. I was talking about MY opinion and the FANS opinion, which is to say I'm glad Quinn has sat, and any fan that is mad (which means Turk) would feel differently if THEY had to cut a check for an extra $11 million unnecessarily.
Do you think it's Quinn from here on out?
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Pitt offers 3yr/12M, Cle offers 3yr/15M. Do you really sign here? How much extra is worth wasting the prime years of your career away?
You seem to think players care more about winning more than money.
They don't.
Josh Cribbs wants to remain a Brown..................just as long as he gets paid.
So why stay? Is it because he knows he's going to win a Super Bowl next year? No, it's because it's for a different reason than just winning.
Larry Foote...........he went to Detroit. Why? For a different reason than winning.
But they are the exception, not the norm, even though they are examples of why a player signs when winning isn't the priority.
Throughout history of NFL free agency, if you offer more money than the next guy, you're going to land your player 95 times out of 100 because players are in this for the dough. Players ALSO realize fortunes change every off-season for teams, and with change comes renewed optimism. Just look around here. Fans fall for it every spring.
You make that offer of $3 million more over a few years to come here and the vast majority of players will take it. History backs that up.
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Do you think it's Quinn from here on out?
I didn't see last weeks game, but read the stat line. As bad as Anderson is now playing (combined with Quinn's inability to trigger his clauses) there's zero reason to do anything BUT keep Quinn out there.
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Yeah.
What happened to Anderson? I knew he had accuracy problems on short throws, but the past few days have been awful. Not even close to receivers. I know they are still getting to know each other, but he's not even close. Guy went from half decent starter to absolute horror. I don't get it. I keep waiting to hear that he's been playing with a broken humurous this whole time.
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You seem to think players care more about winning more than money.
They don't.
Josh Cribbs wants to remain a Brown..................just as long as he gets paid.
So why stay? Is it because he knows he's going to win a Super Bowl next year? No, it's because it's for a different reason than just winning.
Larry Foote...........he went to Detroit. Why? For a different reason than winning.
It's not always about winning vs money, Josh Cribbs is a local product and Larry Foote is from Detroit, both have strong ties to the area that extend beyond football... Now I'm not naive enough to think that's going to get you any great discount, but if Larry Foote was offered a contract by... say the Rams and a similar contract by the Lions, there is a reason for him to choose Detroit.
I guess that fits in the other 5% of your example. 
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You seem to think players care more about winning more than money.
They don't.
If the money is close , then yes, I do think that a player would rather go to a winner. I see it as a natural tie breaker enabling you to get players for a hair less then a losing team would. Now when you add together 53 hairs, it makes a difference.
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I think your assuming any player worth his salt is actually willing to come play for this team. We are gonna have to overpay anyone to sign a contract here, effectively eating up any cap space the quinn "move" saves.
Heard this every year since '99, and every year we sign free agents if we WANT to sign free agents.
Every team that gets the big dog is the team that pays the most. Always has been. Always will be.
Big dogs, yes. They're gonna get their money. But you can't have a whole team full of big dogs, you know this.
Say your fair market value is 4 mill a year, walking in where ever you sign as a starter. Pitt offers 3yr/12M, Cle offers 3yr/15M. Do you really sign here? How much extra is worth wasting the prime years of your career away? Especially if those "agents are steering away clients" comments are true.
This is pretty interesting actually. I think different players would react in different ways. For example, if I were offered 3y/12m to go to New England and 3y/15m to go to Detroit (just to take the fan loyalty/bias out of it), I'd choose New England, no question about it. A million dollars a year is a pretty significant difference though, so I'm not sure what % of NFL players would choose which.
It's more about winning the ties anyway. A random NFL player gets the same offer in Pittsburgh than they do from Cleveland. They will choose Pittsburgh [just about] every time.
In recent memory have we landed a non-ohio free agent without overpaying?
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Read this on espn, thought it was funny/sad.... LINK "...Anderson's numbers are impossible to ignore. According to STATS LLC, his 36.2 QB rating is the lowest of any player through eight weeks since Oakland's Marc Wilson in 1981. Also, Anderson's 320 yards passing in the past four games are the fewest by any quarterback with a minimum of 80 attempts since Chicago's Vince Evans in '81" No press is bad press!!!! If someone said that DA would do something that no one had done in almost 30 years, people would be excited
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As if the season isn't bad enough,it seems like Mangini has no intention of benching Derek Anderson anytime soon.
Anderson is going down in NFL history as putting up some of the worst passer rating numbers ever by a QB in the last 20-30 years since the merger.
What Eric the Flunky see in this guy?
The way Mangini makes these descions is why this franchise continues to be the laughing stock of the entire NFL.
If I was Brady Quinn,I'd be steaming right now...
How much worse does Anderson have to get before he sees the field?
and the kicker is...Randy Lerner could care less who the QB is.....just as people keep on buying those PSL's and selling out the stadium.
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Where did he say Anderson would start Monday?
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Thanks for venting and oh yeah,, just what we needed.., a QB thread 
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Evidently, when BQ was the QB there were guys open down field and he just wasn't getting them the ball.. one can only assume that nobody is open any more... ever.
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BQ would only have to be moderately successful to hit his bonus. I say toss him out there and let him see if he can earn it.
Then what if he is only slightly better than DA. Do we pay 11 mil for that, or look really cheesy and yank him for the last game?
If they wait one more game and then make the switch, that will tell us it's purely money. Depending on the numbers, they may need to wait two more games.
I used to think DA could get it done, but I'm pretty much over that now. Don't think much more of Quinn, but at least there is a faint possibility of some hope that there is some potential, which could lead to a slightly less embarrassing offense..
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with the way that Quinn was holding onto the ball the first couple games and the way st. clair has been pass blocking.....
i think Quinn will get injured before he hits that incentive even if he is moderately successful.
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Let him try.
We become more of a joke every time that goofy idiot starts a drive.
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i have no issue with letting Quinn have a 2nd shot at it....just mentioning that the odds are not in his favor of hitting his escalators anyway....
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