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BEREA, Ohio - Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini said today he's sticking with Derek Anderson, despite the fact he's the lowest-rated passer in the NFL with a 40.6 rating. Mangini said he still thinks Anderson "gives us the best chance right now to move the ball. I know his numbers haven't been impressive, but he hasn't been alone in producing those numbers.'' He cited the dropped passes over the previous few weeks. He also pointed to good plays such as the 21-yard pass to tight end Michael Gaines to the Green Bay 1-yard line that almost went for a touchdown. Mangini also stressed that not using Brady Quinn has nothing to do with keeping him from getting 70 percent of the plays, which would trigger $10.9 million in contract escalators. "Nothing,'' said Mangini. "Zero.'' Asked if Quinn has a future in Cleveland, Mangini said he's told Quinn to continue to prepare as if he's going to play "because it changes quickly.'' Anderson threw 17 passes to his receivers against Green Bay, but connected only on three. www.cleveland.com
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I agree with Mangini here. The only thing playing Quinn will do is hurt his already anemic trade value. To be honest, where's Bartel? 
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Not me. We gave a first and a second for a guy we have started less than a half season of games.
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WHY!? Stick with a guy whose rating is 40.6!? Yet, you wanna close the book on a guy after 2 1/2 games!? 
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We gave a first and a second for a guy we have started less than a half season of games.
And it was a dumb move to swap those picks to obtain him.
But I firmly believe that putting DA out there is a better option than putting Quinn out there. And that's really sad.
I would much rather throw out Ratliff or Bartel...hell, hold open auditions. Just find a tackling dummy to finish out the year.
The only positive Quinn brings is his once-high profile...which could bring us an extra draft pick or two. I don't want him on the field ruining the only asset he has to us.
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"Anderson threw 17 passes to his receivers against Green Bay, but connected only on three."
??? huh?
As for sticking with DA... Mangini is burying himself. I can't believe he's putting his career in DA's hands...  fool doesn't have a chance.
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Bartel is with the Jags.
After the pathetic performance that DA's put out to not even consider BQ saying it's not about the bonus is a damn lie. He can't put in Ratliff because that would easily expose the lie. Not that making a change to any of them is going to do any more than it already has, I'm just sayin' the mans a freakin' lair.
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Our entire organization is full of morons. The only thing I like about this team are the colors and the history.
I would be happy if we just cut our entire roster (Excluding Cribbs and JT) coaching staff, and management. Start completely over next year. Without Randy Lerner.
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After the pathetic performance that DA's put out to not even consider BQ saying it's not about the bonus is a damn lie. He can't put in Ratliff because that would easily expose the lie. Not that making a change to any of them is going to do any more than it already has, I'm just sayin' the mans a freakin' lair.
I honestly don't think it's about the bonus money. Certainly, that's a factor. No denying that. But if I had to rank the reasons, I'd say it's --
a) the team prefers DA
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c) the bonus money
Like I said earlier...the only thing Quinn has to offer the Browns is trade value. And he's tarnished that quite a bit. No reason to make it non-existent.
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Consider for a moment as much as we know that Mangini likes his draft picks and his willingness to dump anyone and everyone. Wouldn't Mangini have traded him before the deadline if he had any draft value left? Seriously unless BQ is put back in and can show signs of life who would trade anything higher than a 6th for this former 1st rounder? The league is simply not desperate for a 3 yards and a cloud of dust pocket passer.
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The Irony in this is great....the only thing in his tenure he has done remotely right (well, he misplayed it before though) might cost him his job.... I'm approaching this like a politician....whatever gets him fired, right or wrong reasons, I'm all bottom line 
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i think it's so crazy to see so many people citing DA's performance (which has clearly been sub-par, don't get me wrong) continue to think we have a better option on the roster.
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Not me. We gave a first and a second for a guy we have started less than a half season of games.
Just because Savage didn't know what the heck he was doing doesn't mean we should play the guy.
This is the 2nd head coach reluctant to play Quinn.
No matter any faults in Romeo or Eric, I do think they can identify a player what they see one.
There is something about Brady that makes coaches think he is best kept on the bench.
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This is the 2nd head coach reluctant to play Quinn.
No matter any faults in Romeo or Eric, I do think they can identify a player what they see one.
Not that I want to appear to be sticking up for Quinn because I'm not but you do realize this is the same Eric that brought us Pork Chump, St. Clair and Royal. I'm just not at all sure I trust his evaluation of talent at this point.
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Not me. We gave a first and a second for a guy we have started less than a half season of games.
Just because Savage didn't know what the heck he was doing doesn't mean we should play the guy.
This is the 2nd head coach reluctant to play Quinn.
No matter any faults in Romeo or Eric, I do think they can identify a player what they see one.
There is something about Brady that makes coaches think he is best kept on the bench.
Yes. Tab made a comment about him trusting his career to DA, I don't know, I think it's more about Quinn not being ready. As bad as DA has been, Mangini didn't pull him. I don't think it's pride or whatever, I think that it's more a testament of what they really think they have in BQ.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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If DA is the one that gives the offense the "best chance to move the ball" then why wasn't he starting week one? If it's the "but he hasn't been alone in producing those numbers''...then why was Quinn held accountable for his bad play? So DA, the guy who was our number two after the pre-season, a proven loser, gives us a better chance to move the ball, even though Quinn was chosen over him after camp and the preseason? Then Quinn is benched because of "poor play" and then DA is allowed to go out and completely stink it up throw after throw.....I don't get it at all. Either way this offense is going to stink bigtime because it has no playmakers anywhere, so why not see what the unknown young player has versus a proven bum? Let Quinn play through the season, so alteast you have a little body of work, and he gains some exprience..and maybe gets better. We gain nothing at all from starting DA, not an ounce. We may not gain anything starting Quinn, but theres atleast the slimest of tiny chances that he somehow improves alittle....even though I highly doubt anything improves, theres atleast a 1 in million with Quinn, Derek is only going to get worse, if thats possible. This is just Eric Mangini at his best.
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Of course, this is the same coach that: Traded a top 5 TE for 2nd round WR that can't catch. Traded a pretty good WR for whatever draft pick he screws up next year but nothing to help this year. Keeps playing a QB with a 40 rating (when a 39 rating is essentially throwing every ball in the dirt) because he sees "good things". Uh huh.......Well, I see dead people........ Is playing a rookie Center that shouldn't have been drafted while a pretty good one only gets to see the field as a tackle eligible TE. (Jesus, this would be funny if it weren't so sad). Drafted 2 second round WR's that really aren't that good when we could have drafted Michael Oher at RT or any 2 of the USC Defensive standouts. Reportedly wanted Romeo to stay on as a consultant.......For what the best pizza places in Berea? So pardon me if I don't take Mangini's analysis of any talent on our team as gospel.......... 
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no way leave Quinn on the bench
that way the next coach can trade the kid next year on draft day get something out of him
playing him now would kill the possible 4th rd pick we may get out of him now based on how he played the first few games
as much as I like DA, i feel he may be done here at the end of the year....if Mangini is retained or not...i could put up with another yar of Mangini as long as Daboll is canned
he is a worse OC then Mo Carthon...i didn't think that was possible...
I never saw Mo Carthon run a Qb sneak on 1st and 10 in the 2nd quarter....with plenty of time left...
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Let's not forget that... "Once you make that decision and go with that decision, then at that point you're moving forward with that group." That was before the season, and obviously, before the 2 1/2 games he let Quinn and the rest of the Browns stink up the joint. How can you watch DA and think this team is headed in the right direction? Other than the money, what is the argument for not playing BQ from this point on (or at least after the bye) and just getting a little more data to make the decision on whether he's any good or not? How much can his trade value possibly go down from here? Is it the difference between a 6th round pick or a 7th round pick? Whoopie. We all know that Tom Brady couldn't win games with this team, might as well let BQ confirm that he's either a peice of crap or else maybe he can actually show something given more than 10 quarters to play with.
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If it's the "but he hasn't been alone in producing those numbers''...then why was Quinn held accountable for his bad play?
That's a question I'd like to see Mangini answer. 
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In a very sad way, I long for the RAC/Savage days again.
I look at Cinci and wonder 'what if' we would have stuck it out. RAC was a terrible game day coach, but the guys respected him. Savage acquired more talent in his tenure here than anyone previous. I'm not saying they were great or even good ... but they did some good things. When they tore the team down in '05, we played respectable football. When I think back to that roster, I wonder how we won 1 game, let alone 6 ... even pitched a shutout against Miami. Beat the Pack in GB. There was hope ... there were signs.
Last year got out of hand because of DA and injuries. The only excuse this year is incompetence. How sad.
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I look at Cinci and wonder 'what if' we would have stuck it out. RAC was a terrible game day coach, but the guys respected him.
The team totally quit on RAC last year. He had no chance of getting them back, even though they defended him in the media.
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Without Randy Lerner.
Yes, the guy providing the $$$ is doing a terrible job at it.
He gives the professionals that get paid a lot of money the money to do their job. And then steps aside.
What more do you want from an owner? You want a Jerry Jones or Al Davis here? Would you get a warm and fuzzy feeling if Lerner was calling the shots?
Lerner does what we need - gives the team the $ to do the job. From there, the staff has to do their jobs.
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Reportedly wanted Romeo to stay on as a consultant.......
In a very sad way, I long for the RAC/Savage days again.
I look at Cinci and wonder 'what if' we would have stuck it out. RAC was a terrible game day coach, but the guys respected him. Savage acquired more talent in his tenure here than anyone previous. I'm not saying they were great or even good ... but they did some good things. When they tore the team down in '05, we played respectable football. When I think back to that roster, I wonder how we won 1 game, let alone 6 ... even pitched a shutout against Miami. Beat the Pack in GB. There was hope ... there were signs.
Last year got out of hand because of DA and injuries. The only excuse this year is incompetence. How sad.
I remember in 05 our offense looked good in the beginning. I know Droughns was the first 1000 yard rusher in some time. Dilfer, and even carthon had their moments. I think we went 4-4 at home in 05. Charlie FRye played decent for a rookie, and this was without winslow. Edwards blew out his knee, so we didn't have him. I do know bryant had a great year for us.
I always wonder if savage could have picked the coach, would things have been different. ?? It seemed savage drafted for talent, and overlooked if a guy had a strong personality, or character issues. With the guys phil brought in, and Romeo's personality, it wasn't a good match. I think some of the players took advanatage of romeo, and sort of rail-roaded him. But if we got a coach on the same page with savage, as far as being able to handle his type of players, I wonder if things would have been different??
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Mangini said he still thinks Anderson "gives us the best chance right now to move the ball.
I am so sick of hearing this as an excuse to keep playing DA. I've had enough of this garbage. I seriously don't know WTF he is watching on Sunday's, because we still don't move the ball even with this so called best chance.
If the Browns don't make a QB change after the bye, I'm done watching this crap. I will not watch another game with DA as the starter. That's it. It's over. It's not even worth my time any more.
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I want an owner who doesn't hire a coach from new england and a gm from baltimore that fails...
And then in the next regime, hire a coach from new england and a GM from baltimore... Again.
I want an owner who isn't too much of a coward to address the media.
I want an owner who doesn't rush into hiring a head coach that just got (crap) canned a week ago. Especially when nobody in the league wanted this joke of a head coach.
Great, randy got some money from daddy. I'm happy for him, but that doesn't make him a good owner. His money has bought us a lot of freekin losing and I'm sick of losing.
I do appreciate the fact that he relies on professionals to make the decisions... That's great, but how about he hires some COMPETENT professionals before turning it over to them?
How about he hires a gm before a coach!? How about he hires a GM period instead of some monkey boy who does everything the coach says to do?
Coaches do great at being a GM and a head coach. See Davis, Butch. I guess randy didn't remember how that turned out... Its been so long ago.
Give me a break... Standing up for randy lerner. Now that's funny.
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??? huh?
As for sticking with DA... Mangini is burying himself. I can't believe he's putting his career in DA's hands... fool doesn't have a chance.
Mangini is not putting his career in any player's hand this season. There is no way he gets fired after 1 season, especially the first of a rebuilding period. His career is in the hands of the players drafted next year in my opinion. As far as the DA/Quinn thing go, I like most on here have lost faith in all QBs on this roster and really don't care at this point. I'm on the wagon that believes neither with be here next year, so might as well ride this train wreck with DA.
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I see absolutely no benefit in sticking with DA.
None whatsoever.
It's like watching Groundhog Day. And just like in most cases, the sequel is worse than the original.
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One can hope.
I love how everyone that was clamoring for BQ at the start of the season has changed their tune from "he's the best QB we have" to "I just want to make sure he's as bad as he looks before we get rid of him". I can't wait til he comes in again and stinks up the joint and everyone says "but look at the players around him...nobody could succeed with that group."
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I think it's worse when people are wanting our players to stink up the joint.
Wouldn't you rather see him tear it up? Call me crazy. But I like when we put up points and win games.
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After the pathetic performance that DA's put out to not even consider BQ saying it's not about the bonus is a damn lie. He can't put in Ratliff because that would easily expose the lie. Not that making a change to any of them is going to do any more than it already has, I'm just sayin' the mans a freakin' lair.
I honestly don't think it's about the bonus money. Certainly, that's a factor. No denying that. But if I had to rank the reasons, I'd say it's --
a) the team prefers DA
b) Mangini prefers DA
c) the bonus money
Like I said earlier...the only thing Quinn has to offer the Browns is trade value. And he's tarnished that quite a bit. No reason to make it non-existent.
At this juncture, my only wish is that we don't draft a QB high next year. Please just get a vet to take the lumps while we build a team.
I don't really think the team prefers DA. I think that was a Braylon Edwards thing. HE preferred DA b/c DA wasn't afraid to force the ball to him. I think it became a money issue when Quinn faltered coming out of the gate. Why else would Mangini stick with DA now? It makes no sense to keep running DA out there. He's not even doing what Mangini is saying he is, give the team the best chance to move the ball. That comment/excuse doesn't even hold water at this point.
The bottom line is this franchise has got to go back to Quinn. If for nothing else but to let him hang himself even more. He has almost no trade value anyway. If he comes in and continues to suck, then so be it. At least we'll know for sure. You're never going to recoup what you spent on him in that case anyway. It's not like his trade worth is going to get better if he sits, especially if the guy in front of him continues to suck, and he still can't see the field.
If Mangini has indeed closed the book on Quinn, then it's looking more and more like we will be in an all out QB shopping spree this off season. Ugh!
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Just how old are you?
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I love how everyone that was clamoring for BQ at the start of the season has changed their tune from "he's the best QB we have" to "I just want to make sure he's as bad as he looks before we get rid of him".
He could be the best QB we currently have on the roster...none of us know otherwise. And, if even he isn't, I would like to see him play again. I don't get the issue you have with that.
Maybe Ratliff is our best QB...if so, bring him in. Hell, I don't care, just make the train wreck stop!
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Quite relevant. It would be a good thing for you to work on graduating HS first before you get big internet mouth. Act like you intend to grow up. Be respectful.
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And it's condescending attitudes like this that lead me to posts like that. As well as fair weather fans.
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Condescending my tush. I'm a father of two teenagers. I'm giving you good advice. Start being a little more respectful. You are a child not an adult. Act like you intend to be an adult someday. You are not the arbiter of anything much less who is a fair weather fan and who isn't.
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One can hope.
I love how everyone that was clamoring for BQ at the start of the season has changed their tune from "he's the best QB we have" to "I just want to make sure he's as bad as he looks before we get rid of him". I can't wait til he comes in again and stinks up the joint and everyone says "but look at the players around him...nobody could succeed with that group."
I can guarantee you I won't say that. We have decent enough players to score SOME points. There is nothing to lose by putting Quinn back in.
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Not sure if this thought has been thrown out there but what if Mangini really does think Quinn is the better, more serviceable QB, and is admitting to himself that it would be just too counterproductive for him to go out and try to succeed on this steaming pile of a team?
Of course, if that was the case, I guess Ratliff would be starting by now.
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