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You're not my father and you don't know me. While I appreciate any advice I can get, I really don't need this. Ask anyone who does know me how respectful I am.
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As for the topic at hand, I suspaect this is somewhat simple.. Mangini met with Lerner and told him from the get go he was going to do this over the long haul and there would be turnover on the team before the team was good.. apparently Lerner bought what Mangini was selling.
I guess we wait and see IF Mangini does turn things around and just how long Lerner is going to wait for Mangini's turnaround.
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See ya.. you just got me on DT's side of things, even tho I still see a disrespectful young kid.
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Well in truthfulness, I didn't expect my comment to be taken so seriously (probably should have though), but it appears that he probably just completed the cycle.
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And it's condescending attitudes like this that lead me to posts like that. As well as fair weather fans.
You're calling me a fair weather fan b/c I refuse to watch this crap any more? What a joke.
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Mangini also stressed that not using Brady Quinn has nothing to do with keeping him from getting 70 percent of the plays, which would trigger $10.9 million in contract escalators.
"Nothing,'' said Mangini. "Zero.''
Not a good thing that the press is asking this question. It might give the Browns a bad name in that they really don't want to pay the players and are looking for ways around the contracts.
If it is true, and they are just looking to save money, what player would want to come to cleveland to play and "maybe" get paid ?
I really hope it's not true. 
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No bet.
Seriously, watch yourself a bit ok?
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It's pretty simple, Mangini is just a big fat hypocrite.
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Consider for a moment as much as we know that Mangini likes his draft picks and his willingness to dump anyone and everyone. Wouldn't Mangini have traded him before the deadline if he had any draft value left? Seriously unless BQ is put back in and can show signs of life who would trade anything higher than a 6th for this former 1st rounder? The league is simply not desperate for a 3 yards and a cloud of dust pocket passer.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing pretty much. Mangini wanted to trade him but there probably wasn't much if any interest.
Maybe he can pad some stats against bad defenses late in the year and we can get a mid round pick for him.
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See ya.. you just got me on DT's side of things, even tho I still see a disrespectful young kid.
I haven't said anything wrong for him to say that in the 1st place.
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You shouldn't take it so seriously. With that said, you remind me of a fan who prefers Quinn over the team.
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Yes you have. You'll be banned in the morning. If you want to bet against that, I have a pay pal account and we can make that for an even hundred. I'm quite mercenary where money is involved. 
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And you still remind me of a child with no memory of good advice that was given you. My advice to you is to drop it and quit for the night. Thats what I'm doing, off to go visit Monica Wednesday.. she serves cold beer and hot smiles.
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j/c Even if Quinn is the better qb, what sense does it make to throw him into this garbage and ruin his confidence? I think he would be better off waiting for these rookie receivers to get some experience and hopefully have a better team to start the season with next year. It was plainly obvious that he was rattled to the point of ineffectiveness those first three starts. Let Anderson finish out the season and then get rid of him. We can't have another season with both of these guys. Name Quinn the starter next season and let him prove himself with more experienced players....without having to worry about getting yanked for Anderson.
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Will you stop posting on here then?
F you!
See ya around...the Refs won't let you get away with this one.
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not to interject between you and DT but DT never said anything that others wouldn't (the guy he responded to is hardly a contributor to this board) and it's only because you know his age that you're zeroing in on him. he may be younger but he is respectful until someone shows they don't deserve it. he posts better than half of the people here at least.
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Name Quinn the starter next season and let him prove himself with more experienced players....without having to worry about getting yanked for Anderson.
Couldn't resist one more..
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To what end? There still better be a competition for the QB job. I hope youre not telling me that there won't be a more competent or at least as competent QB somewhere in camp? If there isn't then Kokinis didn't do his job.
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You shouldn't take it so seriously. With that said, you remind me of a fan who prefers Quinn over the team.
If it wasn't so serious, then why are you calling me a fair weather fan just b/c I'm sick of watching crap every week?
I don't prefer Quinn over the team. Your just making assumptions.
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Yes you have. You'll be banned in the morning. If you want to bet against that, I have a pay pal account and we can make that for an even hundred. I'm quite mercenary where money is involved.
What did I say that was wrong?
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Yes you have. You'll be banned in the morning. If you want to bet against that, I have a pay pal account and we can make that for an even hundred. I'm quite mercenary where money is involved.
What did I say that was wrong?
the eff letter towards someone.
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Yes you have. You'll be banned in the morning. If you want to bet against that, I have a pay pal account and we can make that for an even hundred. I'm quite mercenary where money is involved.
What did I say that was wrong?
swearing is naughty.
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Look, time is short, it will be morning soon. Why don't we just make the bet first and set up the pay pay thing. That way I can go get a beer and you can rest easy knowing you have my money ok? 
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j/c
I regret this thread. I came off as a snobbish .... Sorry.
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jf..
To what end? There still better be a competition for the QB job. I hope youre not telling me that there won't be a more competent or at least as competent QB somewhere in camp? If there isn't then Kokinis didn't do his job.
Ratliff and anybody else that might be available on the cheap. I'm no Quinn fan, but everyone here wants him to have a fair chance....and that's about the best way to do it. Sad as it may be, we're going to be rebuilding next year also, and we might as well see if Quinn can improve with the rest of the team. I don't want to waste our first round pick on a qb.
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To what end? There still better be a competition for the QB job. I hope youre not telling me that there won't be a more competent or at least as competent QB somewhere in camp? If there isn't then Kokinis didn't do his job.
Ratliff and anybody else that might be available on the cheap. I'm no Quinn fan, but everyone here wants him to have a fair chance....and that's about the best way to do it. Sad as it may be, we're going to be rebuilding next year also, and we might as well see if Quinn can improve with the rest of the team. I don't want to waste our first round pick on a qb.
Fair enough. Me neither.. I'd like to fix the right side of our line, draft future linebackers, a RB and DB's.
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Quinn needs to be playing.
Anderson is who we thought he was. It's time to let him off the hook.
Put in Quinn, call the same plays Anderson has been getting and see what he can do. If he can't do anything we know we need a QB. (As if we didn't know that already.)
By the end of the season Ratliff will be starting. This is not a good thing.
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The thing is Saint, Mangini told Jr. just the opposite. If you'll remember it was Pioli who said he wanted a roster tear down, and Mangini said he could win with the core of this roster. He basically told Jr. a flat out lie if every story/article written about the hire is telling the truth. Jr. wanted someone who wouldn't go through another rebuilding process, and Mangini told him what he needed to so he would land the job.
My take is simular to Attack's. I think that we do not want to pay a guy 11 million dollars who we aren't convinced is going to be an answer at QB. Quinn had the chance to earn the money if he keeps his job, but he played like crap, and sowed serious doubt in the FOs minds as to his viability. They don't want to pay him 11 million when they can let DA go out there and suck it up with no real cap implications at the end of the year when they cut him.
I also think that tabber might be on to something as well. DA will always look great in shorts............dude's got a cannon, and when he isn't facing any pressure is pretty darn accurate. Maybe Mangini sees this and thinks that will translate to the field.........of course it never will, because he can't take a step to his left or right and make an accurate throw.
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The thing is Saint, Mangini told Jr. just the opposite. If you'll remember it was Pioli who said he wanted a roster tear down, and Mangini said he could win with the core of this roster. He basically told Jr. a flat out lie if every story/article written about the hire is telling the truth. Jr. wanted someone who wouldn't go through another rebuilding process, and Mangini told him what he needed to so he would land the job.
sorry but to my recollection, none of that has been proven. that is all message board speculation stated as fact.
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Here's a theory I've been giving some thought to...
What if Mangini never really picked BQ to begin with? It's rumored that Lerner really likes/liked BQ. What if Mangini gave BQ the job because Lerner really wanted to see him? Then, when BQ plays badly, Mangini says, "I told you so" and yanks him. Maybe DA was Mangini's guy all along?
I know Lerner tends not to get involved in football operations, but I do remember hearing some talk about Lerner liking BQ.
Anyway, just a thought. Mangini picking DA would kind of fit right into the rest of TERRIBLE personnel decisions he seems to have made so far.
Actually, now that we don't have a deep threat or an O that's built to go big, this should be BQ's offense. It's not built for a guy like DA as it was in '07. DA will never be successful with this type of O. BQ would probably be the better choice but I think there's no way they pay him 10-11million after the way he played early in the season.
Granted, he played some of the best D's in the league, but it wasn't just that he wasn't productive. He seriously reminded me of Frye - holding the ball too long and eventually taking the sack.
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I think it's worse when people are wanting our players to stink up the joint.
Wouldn't you rather see him tear it up? Call me crazy. But I like when we put up points and win games.
Don't confuse what I'd like to see from Quinn (the quality pro-ready QB he was touted as being) with what I expect to see from Quinn at this point (a scared QB who isn't ready for the pro game).
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BEREA —
It was the last day of September. The leaves were still green, but the times were changing.
Braylon Edwards, responding to Eric Mangini’s announcement that Brady Quinn would be replaced by Derek Anderson for Game 4, said: “We haven’t played very well the first three games, so ... we can’t play any worse.”
Edwards smiled thinly at a question about perpetually revolving quarterbacks.
“I’ve been here five years now. I’m not even worried about it any more,” he said, six days before he was traded. “I signed a five-year deal.”
It was clear that day that Edwards did not bleed orange.
Four games later, in the last week of October, it seems Derek Anderson does.
At least, Anderson seems dead serious about doing something with the Browns, and for them.
Whether that can happen ...
The last three games, in which the Browns were outgained 288 yards to 193 at Buffalo, 543-197 at Pittsburgh, and 460-139 against Green Bay, make the vision seem far-fetched.
MANGINI STICKS WITH HIM
Yet, Head Coach Eric Mangini said Monday that Anderson is the man for the last game before the bye, at Chicago.
So, off he goes with a 1-6 team, into a future he imagines coming alive.
“I need to get better. All of us need to look at what we can do to get better,” said Anderson, who was a captain in 2008 and, some on the team say, is acting like one now.
Anderson doesn’t do interviews on Monday, normally, but he wanted to say his piece on this Monday, after an awful 31-3 loss. He had just spent much of the day in meetings, dissecting the game.
“We watch plays and ... we’re just one guy off or ... we miss a throw by a yard ... just really close on a lot of plays,” he said. “We left a lot out there on offense this week. It’s frustrating.”
Anderson vs. Brady Quinn made for a lively offseason fight among fans. Now, plenty of them are wondering why Quinn took a 62.9 passer rating to the bench and has stayed there, while Anderson is handed another start with a 40.6 rating.
Don’t think Anderson hasn’t wondered if he’ll get the hook. He said Head Coach Eric Mangini and Coordinator Brian Daboll “have been positive.”
“I’m doing everything I can for ’em, and I really appreciate it,” he said. “It’s not a lack of preparation. It’s not a lack of knowing how to do it.
“When you’ve got guys around you who support you, you want to do good for them.”
WHAT ABOUT QUINN?
What about Quinn? How supported can he possibly feel?
Quinn was upbeat at his locker Monday after Mangini announced his QB plans for Chicago. He said the right things. The most sensitive question was whether he thinks he might be sitting because he would qualify for $11 million in incentive pay if he plays 70 percent of the snaps in 2009.
“No, and I hope that’s not the case,” he said.
Asked how much a role the 70 percent clause has in his quarterback decisions, Mangini said, tersely, “Zero.”
What of reports Quinn is at odds with Mangini and Daboll?
“There no truth to that whatsoever,” Quinn said. “We’ve had a good relationship all along, and although my role has changed, I support the coaches.”
In most minds, the Browns are coming off their worst game of the season, their most lopsided home loss since 2006.
Thus, Mangini’s decision ends the doubt as to who will start at Chicago, while only fueling the debate.
http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x1914246455/Frustrated-Browns-QB-Anderson-speaks-his-mind
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If Anderson is so frustrated... He needs to improve his game to become unfrustrated...
Now what happens if DA has another bad game against Chicago...? 
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I think that part of DA's troubles stem from teh team we are fielding.
His first game back as starter---he played pretty well, not great---but good enough to keep us in it with Cincy through overtime.
Then we traded BE. IMO, that really sent this offense into a tailspin. Without a legit wr threat---this offense has been searching for a viable receiving weapon ever since.
This has had an effect across the whole offense.
The defenses are again stacking teh box on us---daring us to go deep. DA doesn't really have a reliable---tried and true-type target to look for every down. And the team is really struggling to find its feet.
While I certainly felt that BE had to be moved----I think that where we are today is the result of the moves we have made.
We are going to struggle offensively for the rest of the year no matter who the QB is because we just don't have any experienced guys on the outside.
Unless DA, Mass, Robo, Stuckey, Furrey, and Cribbs can develop some kind of chemistry---then this season is going to be a real tough one.
The odds right now are really long, and changing back QB's isn't the answer.
Right now, we are going to have to take our lumps and let this group grow as players. Hopefully, down the road, this early experience pays off--but right now, we are going to be hard-pressed to win 3 more games this year.
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Funny Story about Bartel, he obviously outplayed Ratliff in preseason and should be on the team, Mangini figured he would jump at the chance to stay on our practice squad, so he waived him, kept Ratcliff and than asked Bartel to join the practice squad, Bartel told Mangini to forget it and signed with the Jax. Once again we lost a pretty desent player trying to be sneaky.
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j/c I have to say I'm almost relieved that he's sticking with DA. When DA is in, I almost don't feel bad when he sucks it up. It's like I *expect* it. When Quinn was in, I wanted so badly for him to succeed that it hurt even worse when he played poorly. It's strange, and I don't like the feeling, but that's how I feel. Like with DA in there, when we throw an INT or stall out on a drive, it's comforting because I knew it would happen. 
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I know I am at the point that if we stall a drive, fumble or throw an INT, I just laugh. I actually found it amusing how excited the fans in the stadium seemed when we drove into the red zone. It was like a red zone appearance has become as exciting for Browns fans, as a TD to most teams.  I don't know what to make of Mangini's insistence to stay with DA. The whole situation just stinks. I so look forward to the day we can HOPE for a win again, rather than expect a loss.
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