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sticking with Anderson is more about developing the receivers than it is about anything else.
Sorry 'Toad, but I'd have to slam down an entire pitcher of Mangini Kool Aid and then lick the sugar packet clean to believe that completing 23 passes for 244 yards in 3 weeks (not quarters, WEEKS) is aimed at developing our receivers.
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That's more plausible than justifying keeping him as the QB when having those numbers in mind. 
We know Mangini doesn't believe in Quinn. The hook came too quickly to believe anything else. It's too much like Frye v. Anderson three years ago. That belief is further validated by leaving Anderson in as the starter, despite knowing he isn't going to be a difference maker.
So that brings us back to underlying factors as to why Anderson would remain the starter. One is money, two is development of our younger receivers. Others involve something going on in the locker room or offices that we're not privy to yet.
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My question is: HOW BAD WAS QUINN, really?
1) He started the season against three very good teams.
2) His supporting cast was dismal (changes have been made).
3) He WAS indecisive and held the ball too long... BUT was that because the line caved(changes made), the WRs weren't open(changes made) or was he trying to avoid turnovers and make something happen (not throwing the ball away fast enough and protecting the ball has been pounded into his head in two years behind DA)?
4) His passes were hurried and he was quick to check down... hmmm.... what's DA been doing?
5) Dink and Dunk... hmmm... again, I've been seeing this more with DA.... MAYBE that is ON Daboll....
All-in-all Quinn is not any worse than DA statistically, so why not put him back in?
There are only so many logical reasons why we're not seeing Quinn...
- MONEY
- Mangini is feeling the heat and thinks his chances are better with DA
- Quinn did something to P... somebody off
- Daboll is the one making the call, trying to save his job
- Quinn truly is just terrible
They say it's not the Money - Check
I can't think of any other reasons to not start Quinn. So that only leaves me with idiot coaching or Quinns fault... I'm going with idiot coaching.
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Toad, I can't believe DA is better for the development of young receivers... 
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SO you are saying that you believe that Lerner, Mangini and the rest of his staff would rather lose games than pay BQ?
Cuz they are GOING to PLAY the BEST option. That is what you do in the NFL. But b/c we would have to pay him---we are just gonna go with this other guy until we don't have to pay as much for our #1's pay.
That is ridiculous. It is ridiculous to believe that this organization is tanking games in an effort to avoid playing Quinn.
unless you think neither can win with the cast around them, then 11 million comes into play.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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There is no excuse for putting a QB out there as poorly as Anderson has performed week after week without an underlying issue there. Even if you don't believe in Quinn, you simply have to make a change after how bad things have been. He wanted to get a spark when he switched to DA. That spark burned out rather quickly. Why not try for another spark by switching again? There's a double standard here and there's a reason for double standards.
When we find out what the real reason for this is, it needs to end in no other way than Mangini being chased out of the NFL with fans in brown and orange waving torches and pitchforks.
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Derek is perfect for WR development, afterall, he gets the ball downfield, we've seen alot of that this season since he's taken over.
In fact, last sunday he completed 2 passes to our WR's....thats better than one...he's definently gonna make an impact developing our WR's..
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I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but shouldn't we have chased RAC out with torches and pitchforks because of how he handled the Quinn/DA situation, too?
Mangini could be entirely in the wrong here. Frankly, I wouldn't be all that surprised by it. But he is the 2nd head coach to not go with Quinn. I'm just saying, that should be factored in as well.
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Toad, I can't believe DA is better for the development of young receivers...
He may not be able to put it on the money as often as an NFL QB should, but he was at least willing to try and get them the ball, which is something the staff criticized Quinn for not doing.
That's central to what Mangini wants right now, and can't be understated.
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I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but shouldn't we have chased RAC out with torches and pitchforks because of how he handled the Quinn/DA situation, too?
Mangini could be entirely in the wrong here. Frankly, I wouldn't be all that surprised by it. But he is the 2nd head coach to not go with Quinn. I'm just saying, that should be factored in as well.
There's a difference here. The benching was a quick trigger, yes, but it can be justified. Trotting out a quarterback who has no business being on the field right now cannot. I have never seen anyone handle a quarterback situation like this in all my life. A first round pick on the bench, the worst QB in the NFL on the field, and no mention of even a THOUGHT of making a switch.
There's something behind this... whether it's money or what they were saying on STO, I'm not sure, but when there is absolutely no logical sense behind something, all that means is that there's a reason you're just not privy to. When/if we find out... I don't even want to think about it.
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When you've eliminated the obvious answers, you have to examine the underlying ones. That will bring you back to money, back to Quinn's lack of desire to stand in and throw to receivers, and to the personality issues I've brushed at lightly in the past.
It's simply hard for fans to accept that winning the next game isn't the ultimate goal. When fans realize that, the other options suddenly make more sense.
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If I was looking to teach my WR how to catch the ball... DA doesn't work for me.
If I was trying to teach my WR how to run solid routes, catching the ball in stride and gaining YAC... DA doesn't work for me.
If I want my wide receivers to build confidence... you know...
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What are they trying to develop, receivers who can contort themselves like circus freaks to make catches on poorly thrown balls? I don't see how DA helps develop receivers better when he cannot hit the broadside of a barn from 10 feet.
I agree with Toad. If our receivers learn to catch DA's passes, they'll be able to catch anything. 
As far as your comment "DA is far worse than BQ".....that's a load. Those 3 starts by Quinn were the worst consecutive 3 I've seen by a Brown's qb since I've been a fan (started as a kid in the late 60's).
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Those 3 starts by Quinn were the worst consecutive 3 I've seen by a Brown's qb since I've been a fan .
So you didn't watch the Bills, Steelers, and Packers games? 
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I guess I'd rather have the excitement of not having a clue as to where the ball's going when DA drops back. To me, it's better than being certain it's not going more than 3 yards. It's kinda like McCain vs. Obama.
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Put the Quinn hate behind you. Stats are your friend. DA's last three starts are actually far worse than Quinn's first 2.5.
Quinn - 45/74 (60%) for 400 yards, 1TD, 3 INT
Anderson - 23/70 (32%) for 244 yards, 1TD, 3 INT.
Hmm. Maybe Quinn wasn't so bad. Oh wait let me guess, your wannabe "scout" eyes told you something else.
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Well, DA may actually be in fact helping to "train" our WRs. What other NFL QB can throw behind the receiver, aÛ the receivers feet, and over the receivers head all in the same drive???
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Hmm. Maybe Quinn wasn't so bad. Oh wait let me guess, your wannabe "scout" eyes told you something else.
LOL!!! Tell us how you really feel. I don't hate Quinn. If you'd take off your blinders and read my other posts, I think Quinn would benefit by not playing this year. I said that we should play Anderson out the rest of the season and dump him. Quinn could then get the starting job next year without the DA/BQ controversy with receivers that will have a year's experience under their belt. That said, Quinn absolutely sucked in those first 3 games, was shellshocked and his confidence was shattered.
Now why don't you run along and start yet another DA hate thread. 
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If Quinn were to hit his 70% of the snaps salary jump....does that extra cash count towards next years cap hit?
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If Quinn were to hit his 70% of the snaps salary jump....does that extra cash count towards next years cap hit?
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It is two bonuses. So atleast one of them would.
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If Quinn were to hit his 70% of the snaps salary jump....does that extra cash count towards next years cap hit?
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It is two bonuses. So atleast one of them would.
Anyone have any idea what those numbers are?
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If Quinn were to hit his 70% of the snaps salary jump....does that extra cash count towards next years cap hit?
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It is two bonuses. So atleast one of them would.
Anyone have any idea what those numbers are?
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Depending on the amount of offensive snaps the Browns take this weekend, Quinn could fall under the 70 percent threshold by sitting on the sidelines Sunday against the Packers. Quinn would miss a $5 million bonus this year without the playing-time incentive and $5.95 million in 2010.
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I'm loving it! The posters on here wanted to pull Quinn because he wasn't getting it done and now that DA isn't playing great they want to go back to Quinn. How about sticking with one just for the sake of team continuity. Mangini looks like a joke if he reverts back to Quinn and looks like a joke if he stays with DA. The man can't make a "good" decision in anybody's eyes. The outcome will be the same regardless of who is under center because no QB on our roster would make the grade on any other NFL roster.
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Hey, I finally realized what was wrong with the title of this thread. Fixed it. 
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I'm afraid that stench has nothing to do with DA.
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Plenty of stench to go around, my friend.........
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Kinda makes you want to send a case of Lysol to the club house.
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Good idea.....might kill the staph, too.......
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Just kind of wondering out loud but do you suppose that someone promised Mangini 70 virgins to blow up the team?
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Hey, I finally realized what was wrong with the title of this thread.
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Just kind of wondering out loud but do you suppose that someone promised Mangini 70 virgins to blow up the team?
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