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there has been alot of talk about dumping M/K and Daboll already. Thanks Pat M.
I can understand the reasoning behind this sentiment and also the reasons not to even consider this.
but the fact is that in 2010 there will be some decent coaches and GMs available.
Mike Holmgren
Mike Shanahan
Charley Casserly
and maybe Jeff Fisher
Bill Cowher is always mentioned too.
should Randy strike while the iron is hot????
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I don't want a new head coach, but I wouldn't mind a new OC. If Shanny ends up in Dallas, Jason Garrett might be available. Jim Zorn certainly will be.
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I'm gunshy about him after the stuff I heard about him after he left Tampa Bay.
Then again...given the situation Tampa Bay is in this year, they probably should have kept him.
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Gruden would be my selection above all other than Cowher, and I just don't think Cowher would come here for any amount of money. I have a strong feeling he will be in Carolina if they decide to let Fox go.
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We have enough QB drama as it is, Gruden would only bring in 4 more of them to muck it up further. No, leave Gruden on MNF.
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is that a gut feeling? 
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I'd love to see Gruden. That face cracks me up. And the Superbowl ring doesn't suck either.
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is that a gut feeling?
The only thing my gut is telling me is "why did you eat that fried chicken for lunch".....
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If Gruden gets the job, then be prepared for Tim Tebow. Gruden LOVES the Wild Cat.
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If Gruden gets the job, then be prepared for Tim Tebow. Gruden LOVES the Wild Cat.
Ughhh, the guy is a total moron. I'm not trying to pass this off as CoachB "inside access" or whatever you want to call it but my old boss down here said he got drunk with the guy one night and that he was a total idiot. Since hearing that and listening to Gruden on MNF.... I really see what he was talking about. Sure the guy is intense and an offensive mind, but he won a Super Bowl with Dungy's team and a default opponent in big game. After that, nothing spectacular at all.
If Jeff Fischer gets fired I would pounce on him in a heartbeat. He can probably have any job he feels like, though. Their OC Heimerdinger would be a much better playcaller than Daboll, too.
Get an offensive mind in here with actualy playcalling experience, though. That needs to happen.
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I would like us to make a serious play at Kevin Colbert to run the franchise, maybe he doesnt want to leave Pitt for anything, but to see us making him President, that would be awesome. Randy has big checkbook, maybe he'll listen next time a football person tells him this team stinks.
As for a GM, you have Floyd Reese, Casserly, maybe Marty(i'd prefer him as our HC). Heckertt would have to be made president to leave Philly, as he's the GM as of now. Nick Caserio is also a Patriot assistant to Billy, not really interested there.
Shannahan would probably demand full control, not so sure I wanna go down that road. Gruden is another option, Rob Ryan is an option, I wouldnt even consider Jeff Fisher, there is no way he's fired. If he is, thats a no brainer.
I think Cowher is coming back, will Randy and the new FO make him an unbeleivable offer? Dunno if wants to inherit this mess, we are beyond a bad team now. Last off-season we were bad, now we are completely barren, essentially an expansion team.
My dream is having either Colbert take over, I would totally trust his decision of who to bring in as coach, or bring back Marty as the HC....or GM if Colbert is not interested.
The organization needs to finally be structured right, Randy needs to get a football person in here, and then let him get the GM and HC.
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Gruden or Cowher would be my top choices (and Fisher too if he became available). I'm torn on Shanahan. While I really like Holmgren, we'd have to be very patient until he got his WCO installed...though I like the idea of going back to a 4-3 defense, which he has traditionally run.
As far as GMs go, Casserly is ok. The guy I wanted in this last search was Floyd Reese, and would still like him as a GM (though why would he leave his New England consulting job to come to Cleveland?).
OCs is a different story. I can't think of anyone that isn't an offensive coordinator that I'd want. Martz is a thought, but not sure if I'd want him. If we promoted someone from a "lower" position, I'd be intruiged by Ken Zampese (Bengals QB coach).
One guy that is probably completely out of the blue that could likely fill any of the roles would be Jaws. The guy just plain knows football - and can break down players and tape exceptionally well. Not sure how good of a job he'd do at any of the jobs, just saying he's intruguing to me in some role with a team.
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Maybe the coaches would band together to make some sort of crazy dream team to resurrect the Browns. But I doubt it. 
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I don't want a new head coach, but I wouldn't mind a new OC. If Shanny ends up in Dallas, Jason Garrett might be available. Jim Zorn certainly will be.
Jim Zorn???? He has never even been an offensive coordinator before he took on the play calling for the Redskins.
Anyway, I would favor Gruden over anyone. If we drafted a QB in the 1st round he would be able to make that QB better. Cowher would command 100% control over the team, which I don't think works anymore.
In Tampa he never really had the chance to draft a talented young QB and develop them. Here are the QB's that started under Gruden in Tampa: Griese, Garcia, Luke McCown, Gradkowski, Rattay, Simms (who hasn't half-bad until he got his spleen exploded,) Brad Johnson, Shaun King, and Rob Johnson.
In Oakland he had a 31 year old Jeff George, Donald Hollas, and Rich Gannon.
My point is, he has never had a top flight QB prospect to watch over and develop. Maybe he could even get Quinn to play well. Who knows.
I will agree that Tebow would be a possibility if Gruden was here.
Also, Jon Gruden was born in Sandusky, Ohio so he is also a local guy
All of this is pretty much a moot point though, as I don't think Mangini is going anywhere. Unless we don't win the rest of the year. Then he could be gone.
My dream scenario would be to have Gruden as coach and Holmgren in the front office. Those two are buddies, so I can see that happening. They would also bring in a pretty nifty coaching staff I am assuming.
Overall, I really don't care who we have. I just want it to be the right people before this upcoming draft. We have 11 picks already. We need to get this draft right.
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I'm just old school I suppose but I'm still a fan of Schottenheimer. Bring him back and bring his son in to be the OC and groom him to take over in 2 or 3 years. He won for us when he was here and the last team he had went 12-4. The guys a winner.
Also, Billick and Mooch weren't mentioned.
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I'm more concerned with the President and GM than the coach, i'll trust them to make the call there. I just want a properly structured organziation, with smart football people at the top.
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Cowher wouldn't touch this team with a 50ft pole, wearing a hazmat suit surrounded by the executive board of the CDC.
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I'd love to see Gruden. That face cracks me up. And the Superbowl ring doesn't suck either.
Dungy's sloppy seconds.
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+1
And seriously, if you were a big named coach that could demand a huge salary, why would you come to Cleveland? It ain't money, since they can get that anywhere.
Do you think Cowher would be open to coaching the Lions? No freaking way. Same with us. We haven't done anything is a very, very long time and we're currently terrible. Maybe Mangini was the best we could do.
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I'm all for bringing Marty back, but as a part of the braintrust that gets this team back on track. I don't care what title he gets. I don't think he wants to coach anymore.
Of all the coaches that may be available, I would want Fisher more than anybody. I would be shocked if he's actually on the hot seat though. The Titans will bounce back quickly.
Cowher would be my #1 choice, but I just see him taking the job here.
Also, there's always a chance that Shanahan might rather take the challenge of righting the Browns ship in an exciting division than dealing w/ friggin' Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder on a daily basis.
Of course how many other seats will become available? Could the job in Chicago open up?
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I'd love to see Gruden. That face cracks me up. And the Superbowl ring doesn't suck either.
Dungy's sloppy seconds.
"In the two years following Gruden's Super Bowl win, the Bucs went 7–9 and 5–11 respectively, implying to many Dungy supporters that Gruden had simply taken over a strong team and then driven it into the ground. However, the high draft picks sacrificed by the team to acquire Gruden, along with salary-cap issues and failed draft choices forced upon him by the now-departed Rich McKay (with whom Gruden had an bitter relationship) limited Gruden's ability to field the teams he wanted after that successful Super Bowl-winning season. With no emerging talent in the fold and no money to afford replacements, the team was decimated by injuries to many of the Super Bowl stars, including Joe Jurevicius, Mike Alstott, Greg Spires, Shelton Quarles, Ken Dilger and Brian Kelly, as well as acrimony with highly-paid veterans such as Sapp, Keyshawn Johnson and Keenan McCardell."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Gruden
Wiki isn't fact....but they got this one right. And even if he did ride Dungy's team to a Super Bowl win, he got the ring where Dungy couldn't. AND he did rebuild the Raiders too.
With that being said, I don't want him.
I want an offensive minded coach that brings along a smart OC. I don't care if the coach is also the GM....doesn't matter to me.
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The key to a finding a good HC is finding one that used to be an NFL LB.
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This would save a lot of time if we just resurected all the posts from last year after Romeo was let go!
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I always wanted Schotzy.
Screw that "never won the big game" argument. The guy got them to the big game all the time. He's due.
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I'm with you........I'm much more interested in getting the right people to head up/build the organization than I am who they hire as HC. If you get a good football man at the top and let him hire his people (hear that Jr. hire the guy and let him have HIS people......not yours) we'll be fine.
Jr.has tried this every way but the right way, and hopefully he get's it right this time. Hire a President of football operations. He then in turn hires his GM and scouting director (with imput from the GM). The GM in turn hires his own HC. The HC then hires his coaching staff. This isn't brain surgery, but Jr. has yet to get it right. As I said, hopefully he get's it right this time.
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I dont care what this organization has to do to WIN....I dont care who gets thier feeling hurt, who crys about not having enough time or not enough of this or that, Randy needs to make a move if he feels it will improve this team.
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I dont care what this organization has to do to WIN....I dont care who gets thier feeling hurt, who crys about not having enough time or not enough of this or that, Randy needs to make a move if he feels it will improve this team.
Amen brother! It sure would be nice to talk football. These threads probably mirror the same threads on the old boards concerning the expansion team 10 years ago!
Same ol same ol and it gettin ol.
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I would like to ask all of you, (in playing along) what about Chris Polian from Indy? Their whole starting lineup is draft picks, maybe one or two isn't but that is an organization that constantly selects well.
I read here and there he is young, but is smart like his old man.
As for coaches, how about Bill Musgrave for OC.He doing a good job with Ryan in Atlanta, and he coached Matt Schaub in Virginia who is doing incredible in Houston now.
How about Rick Dennison from Denver? Zone Blocking does wonders up there, why not here?
If Fox gets fired, would you entertain Jeff Davidson?
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Best thing Jr. could do is call Parcels and say what would it take for you to come to Cleveland and run the show?
Money, part ownership, you name it and it would be yours.
Jr. has the cash, open the checkbook.
Tell him he would be president and have FULL CONTROL.
You name the GM unless you want that job too.
Name the coach, have last say on personnel, office people, water boy, your name on the scoreboard, only stipulation is that part ownership comes with making the playoffs.
10 percent owner if we make the playoffs in a certain number of years.
I have a hunch he might like the challenge.
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I want NO PART of Gruden or Cowher
Gruden's just an ass...so no big upgrade to Mangini...and he IS Mr. QB FlipFlop...I don't want another HC like this
Cowher reportedly wants more control...and he was a bad talent evaluator in PIT...I know that from PIT fans....he had his say in some draft choices (horrible ones) and did the same mistake EM did here in April...drafting from a coache's perspective.....as a HC-only? Ok....if he wants more power and say, tell him to.....well you know
I'd be all OVER Fisher or J.Fox if they are released....and oh yeah...Parcells as Uber-GM with a plan (size-speed anyone?)
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Holmgren: Been there, done that. He's my first choice.
Cowher: He got his start in C-town, had two Muni stadium seats in his office,...Cohwer has fond memories of Cleveland, esp. whippin' our asses. I do not think Cowher would completely disregard C-town because the team is in shambles.
Shannahan: Has never lead a rebuild...just say no.
Gruden: No way.
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Cowher didn't exactly lead a rebuild, either.
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Cowher: He got his start in C-town, had two Muni stadium seats in his office,...Cohwer has fond memories of Cleveland, esp. whippin' our asses. I do not think Cowher would completely disregard C-town because the team is in shambles.
Was approached by Learner. Said no way. Why would he change his mind?
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Cowher: He got his start in C-town, had two Muni stadium seats in his office,...Cohwer has fond memories of Cleveland, esp. whippin' our asses. I do not think Cowher would completely disregard C-town because the team is in shambles.
Was approached by Learner. Said no way. Why would he change his mind?
where did you hear that he said "no way"
it could have been "No way I am coaching anywhere this year, because i have other plans this year."
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I still keep photos of ex-girlfriends...doesn't mean I want to reunite with them.
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Especially if you kicked their asses twice a year since you broke up.
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I'm with you........I'm much more interested in getting the right people to head up/build the organization than I am who they hire as HC. If you get a good football man at the top and let him hire his people (hear that Jr. hire the guy and let him have HIS people......not yours) we'll be fine.
Jr.has tried this every way but the right way, and hopefully he get's it right this time.
IF THIS has to be done again..it needs to be done at the end of the season and do it the right way....I don't know that I want Kosar being president..I think his head is swelled enough...but Lerner has to stop going on these feelings and stick to what knowledgable people advise him on .
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Was approached by Learner. Said no way. Why would he change his mind?
He said he wasn't going to coach again until his daughter graduated from high school in North Carolina (unless he got blown away by an offer). She graduated this past summer. It wouldn't surprise me if Cowher is much more willing to listen this time around. I remember reading from Peter King at the time that although he said no to coaching in 2010, the Browns job is the one he'd be most interested in.
With so many quality experienced coaches out there though, there should be no excuse for not landing one.
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