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It looks like some fans are getting uptight!  I like the idea of people not taking their seats until after the kickoff for the Monday night game Nov. 16, 2009. Leaving the seats empty just for the kick off on national TV does send a powerful message. Taking your seats shortly thereafter also sends the message that the fans will still support the team. Are any of you going to support this protest? I tried to post an article from the Acron Beacon Journal, but apparently this site won't allow that.
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Fans organizing a Brown-out By Marla Ridenour Beacon Journal sports writer POSTED: 08:00 p.m. EDT, Oct 28, 2009 Browns defensive line coach Bryan Cox on the sidelines after Green Bay scored to made the score 21-3 at Cleveland Browns Stadium on Sunday, Oct. 25, 2009, in Cleveland, Ohio. The Packers won the game 31-3. (Phil Masturzo/Akron Beacon Journal) RELATED STORIES Owner Randy Lerner's e-mail response to Browns fans' plan to protest Nov. 16 They jammed NFL fax machines and took fans' signatures to the league meetings when owner Art Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore after the 1995 season. Now wondering whether all that passion and pain were worth it, two longtime Browns season-ticket holders have decided it's time to protest again. Mike Randall of Massillon and Tony Schafer of Sandusky, aka ''Dawg Pound Mike'' and ''Mobile Dawg,'' want the team they've worshipped for a lifetime to kick off on Monday Night Football on Nov. 16 against the Baltimore Ravens in an empty stadium. Not empty for the entire game — just at kickoff, to voice their displeasure over the state of a team that offers them no hope. The Browns are 1-6 and have lost 12 of their past 13 games. The two men hope to delay at least half the crowd from sitting down before the 8:30 p.m. start. ''I'm a huge fan and I love the organization, but something needs to be done,'' Randall said. ''We have to make a statement. It's nothing negative, just letting the organization know we support the team, but we do not support what's going on right now. There's no general manager, no public relations, nobody letting the fans know they feel our pain. Someone needs to step up and say, 'We're going to fix this.' Fans, it's time we made a stand. ''I'm not saying boycott or wear paper bags. We'll have people around the gates to let people know. Go to the concourse, go to the restroom, just don't go to your seat.'' Schafer said when he and Randall came up with the idea, he suggested the Dec. 6 home game against the San Diego Chargers, but Randall liked the Ravens game better. ''What better way than on Monday Night Football, a national audience and against the Baltimore Ravens, who we lost the team to?'' Randall asked. Both Randall, 39, who works in sports marketing, and Schafer, 58, a general contractor, said their moment of truth came Sunday as they left Cleveland Browns Stadium after a 31-3 loss to the Green Bay Packers. ''Walking out of the stadium, so many fans don't really give a damn. Somebody said, 'We should have been out fishing instead of watching this crap,' '' Schafer said. ''We want someone to tell us where the team is going, what they're going to do. The way it's going, we could lose this team again. ''For a couple of days [in 1995] I faxed all the owners, broke the machines. I went to the NFL meetings in Atlanta with signatures. It's like all the effort the fans put in, it all went for naught. For me, it almost seems like the Browns haven't been back yet. I wear something brown and orange every day, a hat or shirt. I'm supporting the old Browns, the old tradition.'' Randall used to be one of two men who dressed as ''Charlie's Fryes'' when the former University of Akron quarterback played for the Browns. He and Schafer both have met Browns owner Randy Lerner and do not question the camera-shy executive's commitment to the team purchased by his late father Al in September 1998. The elder Lerner died in 2002. ''I've talked to Randy; Randy's a good guy, he wants to win bad,'' Schafer said. ''But if that was my company performing like that, I'd be a mean, nasty S.O.B.'' Browns coach Eric Mangini addressed the fans' frustrations Monday but probably lacked the passion that Randall and Schafer were seeking. ''I don't think anybody is pleased with where we are right now,'' Mangini said. ''We are going to work at it as diligently and as deliberately as we possibly can. The mistakes are going to be analyzed. We're going to put a plan in place to fix them. There is a commitment to that. There is no sense of, 'Things are OK.' It's a sense of, 'We need to do things better.' And it has to be consistently that approach, and it will be. It always will be.'' Randall and Schafer lament the loss of a generation of fans. Schafer has six tickets in the upper level of the Dawg Pound and is taking some of his five grandchildren to the games, just as he did with his sons, now 32 and 33, and as his father did with him. ''My grandkids used to dress up in Browns garb for every game and watch on TV. It's hard to get them motivated to do that,'' Schafer said. ''Three of them went Sunday and one of them said, 'Grandpa, when are we going to win?' '' Link I would participate if I was at the game. Might not accomplish much, but at least it would make a point.
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I don't think it makes any point or serves any purpose. It's nothing but a slap in the face to the team, coaches, and ownership. I don't see how that helps.
Do we have to have the goofiest fans in addition to a bad team?
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I don't think it makes any point or serves any purpose. It's nothing but a slap in the face to the team, coaches, and ownership. I don't see how that helps.
Do we have to have the goofiest fans in addition to a bad team?
What and the product they have fielded for the last 10 years isn't a slap in the face to the fans?
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I don't think it makes any point or serves any purpose. It's nothing but a slap in the face to the team, coaches, and ownership. I don't see how that helps.
Do we have to have the goofiest fans in addition to a bad team?
I'm just curious if you are one of the diehard fans that goes to the stadium for every home game or must watch on TV? I just feel that the people who actually go to the games deserve to show their support however they would like to and could care less if we have the goofiest fans or not.
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It's nothing but a slap in the face to the team, coaches, and ownership.
I think that is the POINT. Does it help, i don't know. It sends a message of discontent- that is probably a good thing.
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I think its a great idea. hearing the silence of an empty stadium during the opening kickoff. Perfect way to voice your displeasure with how things are being done in Berea.
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I don't think it makes any point or serves any purpose. It's nothing but a slap in the face to the team, coaches, and ownership. I don't see how that helps.
Do we have to have the goofiest fans in addition to a bad team?
It makes a very big point. The fans show that they are united in their discontent. It shows these fans love their team enough to send a powerful message on national TV. It shows that we spend tons of money (on products and well as tickets and food from the stadium) and we get this in return!
Is it a slap in the face to the teama and the coaches? I sure as heck hope so. I'm tired of getting slapped in the face with this crap!
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I think Randy Lerner already knows that the fans are ticked off with the status quo. I'm not sure what doing this will accomplish, but I don't suppose it hurts anything so why not.
I kinda thought the actions of fans at the last game sent the message as they began filing out at half time.. to me, that sent a bigger message than this will.
Again, not sure what value this will have, but I'm pretty sure it's not any harm.....
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I have a bad feeling someone's gonna come up with the idea to "Wear Black and Gold to the Thursday night game" 
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I think it's not that big of a deal - this "protest".
I've had a pretty good perch from Section 535, Row 31 since 1999 - and I'd say without this "protest" the stadium for normal games is only filled about 70% percent at kickoff anyway. Does that prove anything? To me, it shows the fans are there more for the pre-game party than the football.
It ususally doesn't seem filled up to me until mid-second quarter. And then because the team's performance is usually so horrendous you start to see a stream of people already walking up West 3rd and around East 9th and Lakeside.
I'm there about 12:30-12:45 every week, I stay till the end. I boo as loud as I can when I feel it's warranted - I cheer as loud as I can when I feel it can somehow help the team or something good happens. It'll be the same for the Monday Night game.
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I say... why not? It'll give the writers and media people something to talk about the next day.
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What would be more powerful is if you didn't go period. Buying a ticket then showing up late . . . ?
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I don't think it makes any point or serves any purpose. It's nothing but a slap in the face to the team, coaches, and ownership. I don't see how that helps.
Do we have to have the goofiest fans in addition to a bad team?
I'm just curious if you are one of the diehard fans that goes to the stadium for every home game or must watch on TV? I just feel that the people who actually go to the games deserve to show their support however they would like to and could care less if we have the goofiest fans or not.
yeah, I go to the games.... for whatever value that has.
From the team perspective:
1) the tickets are already sold so there's no financial impact
2) EVERYONE in the organization knows the fans think 1-6 sucks. They think so too.
So all this accomplishes is:
1) fans turning there back on the entire team. Cribbs, Thomas, Furrey, all of them. I think too much of at least one of these guys to turn my back on them and try to make them look foolish in front of a national audience. You can't walk out on one without walking out on them all.
2) It's just a softball pitch to give the talking heads in the media one more chance to say "Mistake by the Lake" , "The Drive", "Spygate" and every other stupid thing we've endured. Why do our fans have to dream up ways to make us look like the saddest town in the NFL?
Everyone cried and cried last year when Charles Barkley called Cleveland a "dreary, dreary town" and now our "fans" are going to grab the spotlight to make it look even worse..... That really is the essence of Cleveland.
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if this happens.. i will be kind of disappointed. I understand the point.. but.. HUGE but... for a "fan" to do this.. you are not a fan.. No Browns fan likes the 1-6 record.. but you still support your team no matter what..
I think all of the guys we have on this team are actually trying..
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I don't think it makes any point or serves any purpose. It's nothing but a slap in the face to the team, coaches, and ownership. I don't see how that helps.
Do we have to have the goofiest fans in addition to a bad team?
It makes a very big point. The fans show that they are united in their discontent. It shows these fans love their team enough to send a powerful message on national TV. It shows that we spend tons of money (on products and well as tickets and food from the stadium) and we get this in return!
Is it a slap in the face to the teama and the coaches? I sure as heck hope so. I'm tired of getting slapped in the face with this crap!
You really don't think they know we're unhappy?? Do you think they're sitting around drinking brandy congratulating each other on a "Smashing good season!" ?
The FO made some moves this year to free up large chunks of cap and acquire draft picks. they've shipped bad attitudes and underachievers out the door. There's plenty left to do. It's going to take a little while.
I really doubt that fans rushing to pass judgement on the FO after one offseason and on draft picks after seven games is the missing element to fix the problems. And you know it too.
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The mistakes are going to be analyzed. We're going to put a plan in place to fix them. There is a
I got a plan for them.....it starts with sticking a foot up thier behinds and ends with a door hitting them where the good lord split them.
thats a crap answer Mangini.
As for the boycott, I'm all for it, nothing wrong with Fans making a statement, I'm glad it's not for the whole game, we love this team and support the players who play hard, but something needs to be said or even more, something needs to get Randys attention letting him know were not gonna keep spending money if this is the result.
Randy let this be a warning, this buisness your running called the Cleveland Browns is not gonna be taking in alot of money is the product your selling dosent get better. 
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Perhaps a bigger message to the team would be if a National Televised Game against a bitter division rival can't even sell out and is blacked out.
Oh, wait, that might happen?
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His plan is to bring in "good guys" and former players that have played for him, have complete control of everything(including all his coaches everymove), lastly be a total donkey to every player, coach, and any person unlucky enough to come into contact with him, therefore instilling "discipline".
Much like the president, EM is suceeding in his plan, but his plan is not suceeding.
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What would be more powerful is if you didn't go period. Buying a ticket then showing up late . . . ?
Whatever . . . .
For those suckers, I mean fans, that already spent the money this is an option. You show them you are not happy but still go to the game you already paid for.
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His plan is to bring in "good guys" and former players that have played for him, have complete control of everything(including all his coaches everymove), lastly be a total donkey to every player, coach, and any person unlucky enough to come into contact with him, therefore instilling "discipline".
 Because letting everyone run wild and having ZERO discipline worked so well for RAC.
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what happens when we receive the kickoff, Cribbs runs it back for a TD.....and all those fans missed the best highlight of the game they paid for....
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I wish everybody w/ a ticket would go in, put a scarecrow, dummy, or some kind of sign in their seat, and then leave.
I like the idea of going in late, but only for a nationally televised game. Otherwise, the ultimate message can only be not going at all.
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I boo as loud as I can when I feel it's warranted - I cheer as loud as I can when I feel it can somehow help the team...
This is not addressed only to you nor is it in disagreement with what you do. This is addressed to everybody who attends the games.You all have the right to do whatever you wish.
Please explain how you believe that cheering as loud as you can ... can somehow help the team, but booing doesn't somehow hurt them. It's easy to understand that cheering is motivational. And I understand, to a degree, that booing it is sending a message. But they are in the game. They know the score. Thus, they already have the message and it's deeper and more hurtful than any of us can imagine. Piling on doesn't seem very motivational.
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What makes me LOL is the fact that Junior thought the fans would be excited over the Mangini era.
Really, Junior? We wanted Cowher and nothing else outside of Shanahan was gonna make us happy. Instead you gave us a guy whose done everything humanly possible to kill all fan enthusiasm.
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I'm not sure what this is going to accomplish ... other than get even more potential free agents to tell their agents "anywhere but Cleveland". Like others have mentioned, I think everyone KNOW the teams stinks, but what can they really do about it? Fire everybody, bring in a bunch of Arena leaguers? You think the team stinks now ... I remember those Peyton Manning commercials from a few years back where he was cheering people doing menial everyday type jobs. Maybe they should make another one where people mess something up at their job, and he starts booing and berating them? 
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What makes me LOL is the fact that Junior thought the fans would be excited over the Mangini era.
Not just excited. BLOWN AWAY!!!
Man, I wish I could have been a fly on the wall for that infamous interview. . .
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Please explain how you believe that cheering as loud as you can ... can somehow help the team, but booing doesn't somehow hurt them.
Speaking for myself - I cheer/yell as loud as I can when I feel it can make a difference. Such as on third downs and fourth downs when our defense is on the field. I don't boo before the fact - say when the Browns have a 3rd and 7 play. I do boo when an inside handoff is called in that situation and they wind up 3-4 yards short. I don't boo when it's first and goal for the Browns - I do boo when they turn it over inside the 5.
I don't boo the offense or Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson upon taking the field week 1 - but I do boo them when their play is a joke after series/weeks/years.
I don't feel it "hurts" the team nor do I care if it did - they're grown men doing the job they're paid to do and when they fail miserably - repeatedly - I'm going to make some noise and forgive me, cheering positively in that situation is ludicrous to me.
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http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/67176022.htmlOwner Randy Lerner's e-mail response to Browns fans' plan to protest Nov. 16Browns owner Randy Lerner's comments (via e-mail) on the planned protest before the Nov. 16 home game against the Baltimore Ravens: ''On the grounds of frustration and irritation with performance, then that's the medicine I [we] are going to take, and I accept that. The goal this year was to rebuild the culture at the Browns. We felt at the end of last year that we lacked any overall philosophy, approach or direction regarding recruiting, drafting, coaching, preparation or training. As a result, each season was feeling like starting over and 4-12 following 10-6 felt painfully not all that surprising. ''It's been way too long since the Browns have had anything to feel good about or invest in, and it's clear that the doubt and negativity are taking on a life of their own. ''What I can say is that we, and I, have remained open to new and fresh ideas and thinking and people with passion for the Browns and football experience getting involved and with hope and luck and support, making a difference. We won't become entrenched or stubborn and despite my allergy to be more conspicuous, I do remain eager to seek help and guidance from any and all corners.''
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Really, Junior? We wanted Cowher and nothing else outside of Shanahan was gonna make us happy. Instead you gave us a guy whose done everything humanly possible to kill all fan enthusiasm.
Some Ammo quotes from the past:
January 7, 2009: So, uh, where can I get a Mangenius t-shirt?
Consider me cautiously optimistic, but I'll be on board with it.
August 12, 2009: The only reason people don't feel excited about this season is because the new coach isn't Bill Cowher.
Mangini was such a let down to most of the Browns fans because of his supposed "failure" in NY and because he's not a Superbowl winning ex-coach.
August 12, 2009 (commenting on the QB competition): You know, I need to comment on the QB competition based on what I've seen from the two practices I've been to and the scrimmage on Sunday...we'll probably see this again in the preseason.
It's hard to get a bead on who's winning because neither QB is getting enough reps, IMO. Neither one truly has a chance to develop a rhythm.
Everyone's ripping on Quinn's supposed lack of deep ball ability...honestly, how often does the deep ball come out in today's NFL? Rarely. This isn't the 70's or 1980 (I watched the Dave Logan game and couldn't believe how many times Sipe took unsuccessful shots downfield, a modern day coach would be POed).
If Quinn can show he can read a defense and coverages, he's gonna win this thing. Period. He has too many of those intangibles like huddle presence and ability to organize the huddle when the radio isn't working (I'll bet the radio not working was done purposely by Mangini to see how he'd handle it and he failed miserably).
August 9, 2009 (on the Brown/White game): I didn't hear any booing.
I do know that some fans were turned off when he spiked the ball considering it was a scrimmage against his own teammates. Was considered hotdogging it He didn't win any brownie points for drawing the flag against Rogers.
The "photo of the game" that people voted on was a picture of Quinn...don't look at me, I voted for Mangini.
September 9, 2009: My God...I'm not being sarcastic whatsoever.
I'm seriously all aboard the Mangini train at this point.
September 9, 2009: I'm not happy that the media had to go and blow Mangini's cover.
What the hell is it about the words INTERNAL BUSINESS can't they understand?
Seriously, let's let our coach do what he pleases. He can do no wrong in my book.
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Now this may seem like a dumb question to some of you, but reading Randys email, I take it that he "gets it" and is actively looking for answers from any place or anybody.
So what's wrong with that thinking? What's wrong with that effort? Why so are so many questioning his desire to win and questioning him on his other endeavors?
He has deep pockets and doesn't appear shy about digging into them for some loot.
He appears to be all about winning and he seems willing to try anything. nothing appears to be off the table.
yeah, he made a mistake on Savage and RAC.. Maybe he should have kept John Collins and let Savage walk after that first year. dunno,, will never know at this point..
hell, for all we know, when we look back on the Mangini and Kokinis hiring, we may feel that was a mistake as well.. again, I dunno. Granted, at this moment, it's not looking good, but it's still early in thier regime.
But that's not even the point. if they don't work out,, if Mangini turns out to be a bust,, a huge mistake,, then it appears that Randy will just try again...
What's wrong with that?
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And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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I am sick of your hypocrisy. Just before the season began and probably during the season, you were all aboard Mangini's bandwagon. Most of the people on here were fine with the hire. Then our team sucks. Big surprise considering we were 4-12 last year. Now everyone's done with Mangini. Browns fans suck.
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See my post about 3 above yours.
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Probably one the best posts I've ever read on here. Thanks for putting it together. Now we'll wait for a response, lol.
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Now everyone's done with Mangini. Browns fans suck
Not everyone is 'done' with Mangini and not every Browns fan sucks.. I'm not at all pleased with the product on the field... Not at all pleased with many things I see, but in no way am I ready to tell Randy to fire Mangini...
Daboll on the other hand? I think he's gone at the end of the season. I think he'll be fired. I just don't see Mangini sticking with him. But that's after the season,, not now!
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What makes me LOL is the fact that Junior thought the fans would be excited over the Mangini era.
Really, Junior? We wanted Cowher and nothing else outside of Shanahan was gonna make us happy. Instead you gave us a guy whose done everything humanly possible to kill all fan enthusiasm.
Some Ammo quotes from the past:
January 7, 2009: So, uh, where can I get a Mangenius t-shirt?
Consider me cautiously optimistic, but I'll be on board with it.
August 12, 2009: The only reason people don't feel excited about this season is because the new coach isn't Bill Cowher.
Mangini was such a let down to most of the Browns fans because of his supposed "failure" in NY and because he's not a Superbowl winning ex-coach.
August 12, 2009 (commenting on the QB competition): You know, I need to comment on the QB competition based on what I've seen from the two practices I've been to and the scrimmage on Sunday...we'll probably see this again in the preseason.
It's hard to get a bead on who's winning because neither QB is getting enough reps, IMO. Neither one truly has a chance to develop a rhythm.
Everyone's ripping on Quinn's supposed lack of deep ball ability...honestly, how often does the deep ball come out in today's NFL? Rarely. This isn't the 70's or 1980 (I watched the Dave Logan game and couldn't believe how many times Sipe took unsuccessful shots downfield, a modern day coach would be POed).
If Quinn can show he can read a defense and coverages, he's gonna win this thing. Period. He has too many of those intangibles like huddle presence and ability to organize the huddle when the radio isn't working (I'll bet the radio not working was done purposely by Mangini to see how he'd handle it and he failed miserably).
August 9, 2009 (on the Brown/White game): I didn't hear any booing.
I do know that some fans were turned off when he spiked the ball considering it was a scrimmage against his own teammates. Was considered hotdogging it He didn't win any brownie points for drawing the flag against Rogers.
The "photo of the game" that people voted on was a picture of Quinn...don't look at me, I voted for Mangini.
September 9, 2009: My God...I'm not being sarcastic whatsoever.
I'm seriously all aboard the Mangini train at this point.
September 9, 2009: I'm not happy that the media had to go and blow Mangini's cover.
What the hell is it about the words INTERNAL BUSINESS can't they understand?
Seriously, let's let our coach do what he pleases. He can do no wrong in my book.
Wow...where do I begin...
You couldn't tell I was taking a "cautious" tone with my "So uh, where can I get a Mangenius t-shirt?" comment? I didn't say "YES I'M GLAD WE GOT HIM!" Did I?
For August 12th...I was right about that and since DAY ONE I've heard Browns fan outside of this board (this board is like its own cocoon, the opinions here don't really reflect the opinions of most Browns fans cuz we think we're smarter) were livid at the Mangini hire. Browns fan wanted Cowher, Shannahan, someone credible. Mangini wasn't credible to them. But don't look at me, I wanted McDaniels...and look at how he's doing in Denver.
About the QB's: No wonder it was hard to get a bead on them because THEY BOTH SUCK!
About the picture comment...I'm more or less pissed that Quinn can blow his nose and Brady's Brats will eat it all up...if you're gonna pick a QB at least do it based on football ability, not because he can be in GQ.
And yes...I'm frustrated that there was a media witchhunt from the beginning. But GUESS WHAT? It's starting to show WHY there was said witchhunt. I always hear people on this board moan about the media. Well having worked in the media this summer I know WHY the media hates the Browns.
Have you ever tried dealing with their PR department? It's miserable. The Indians and Cavs to EVERYTHING in their power to make themselves available. They send media packages, they're always on call and willing to help.
The Browns? Cold and sterile. Unwilling to help at all. Very stuffy and corporate feeling.
I know people will call out my objectivity on this because I know people with the Indians, and the Indians may suck but dammit their business operations are 100% FIRST CLASS. When talking about the Tribe I always make sure to separate the baseball operations and ownership from the business and marketing side of the organization. I don't know anyone inside the Cavs organization but anyone in the media will tell you that Gilbert runs one of the best organizations in the NBA. You can NOT say that about the Browns. It's like a backwoods operation. They're miserable to the media AND their fans (how bout those season tickets and PSL's and that preseason fiasco, Browns fan?).
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I shouldn't have said all. But most Browns fans are done with Mangini, and quite a few do suck.
Did anyone else notice that Mangini didn't seem happy with Daboll during the game Sunday? Seemed like he was quite pissed in fact.
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Did anyone else notice that Mangini didn't seem happy with Daboll during the game Sunday? Seemed like he was quite pissed in fact.
I heard them mention it on the radio as we drove away from the stadium. Made me feel somewhat (OK, not much) positive for the rest of the season.
 Must have been weird to see Mangini w/out that signature grin on his face.
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