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Can this guy block?

Versus the Steelers
1st play of the game - He's called for holding
2nd play of the game - He misses his block on Porter and Porter tackles our RB for a loss

That's just the 1st two plays of the game. Is Winslow the reason we have trouble running the football? It doesn't seem as though he's worth a lick as a blocker.

[color:"white"]He's not very good, and yes, he's part of the problem when it comes to running the ball.

I just broke down the 1st half of the Falcons game, and he missed several blocks, not only in the run game, but in the pass game as well.

He's a fantastic receiver, but as a blocker, he's near the bottom of the league as far as TE's go. [/color]

No, he can't. Granted he isn't at "Full strength", but I see him blockign and I cringe.

This is why I would like to see Steve Heiden more. I love Steve Heiden, ya he may drop a few passes, but eh blocks, catches well, is tough.

WOuld like to see him in more double tight sets. JMO

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I wouldnt be suprised if K2 is a little hesitant to go all out blocking seeing how many times in the trenches players get rolled on and hurt knees.

I see K2 doing a lot of chipping, but not so much all out blocking, maybe that's by design? [/color]

This is exactly what the public/media was ignoring when they were screaming because he wasn't on the field every single third down.
He's our best play-maker, but also arguably our biggest liability - especially when he's not the target.

Blocking at this level is a "skill" to a degree and there's no reason to believe that he won't get better. Most of what I've seen him miss were technique problems, not lack of power - so I think he can improve, but as a "tweener" he'll probably peak. Hard to say, since he's so darn competetive.

I hope whoever's here at OC next year will come up w/ better ways to use him/create mismatches. His strengths and weaknesses could be better managed, IMO.

I believe that is a true statement...

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I envision us using a lot of two TE sets(Winslow/Heiden), as Winslow can be just as effective (if not more) in the slot or even split wide.

Whomever has the controls next year will have much room to be creative.

Cribbsy
B Ed
K2
C Frye
Drougns
Vickers
Heiden
Northcutt
Wilson
Harrison

Charlie Weis would drool over that list of players.
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Great topic, Paul.

I've seen a few plays from earlier in the season where he stood up guys pretty well.

But I've also seen some poor blocking.

He's probably a little worried about his knee...and something to remember...this is his first full year playing.

I think it's just gonna take some time. I wouldn't worry too much...unless of course this becomes and ongoing issue.

Forget Charlie"i'm so full and it's not even T-giving yet"Weis,

how about someone who knows how to really utilize playmakers.......Jim"hair like a Ken doll" Tressel.

[color:"orange"]Forgive me for insinuating that I think Weis should/would coach here...I dont want Weis to be the Browns coach and am happy with what we have at the moment.

I meant......an OC that had the ability to utilize his weapons, which I think Davidson has done better in the last 4 weeks. Davidson is a Weis protege if I remember correctly. [/color]

Hmmm. Dinkins is a good blocker, Heiden they say is decent.

Winlsow... I don't think so. If he never becomes a good blocker (decent would be acceptable considering the other skills he brings to the table), maybe we'll just have to grin and bear it, & take the 100-catch seasons. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />
I think blocking is more attitude than anything... he sure isn't afraid of contact. But I agree, a TE who's a lousy blocker hurts when you're trying to be a good running team.

He is an adequate blocker....he is not in there to block anyway.....

He's a Tight End, not a Wide Receiver....blocking is part of the job description. Until he becomes a better blocker, he won't be a complete TE...just a good receiver who lines up inside....

The main thing that concerns we about Winslow...............how healthy is he right now!

He sure does not show it when he catches a pass................so tough to bring down but he has to be playing with much pain in every game!

If I am not mistaken............he has been on the injury list every week since day one!

That makes me think that maybe he should not be making a lot of blocks and is going through the motions as a blocker!

He sure is a playmaker as a receiver and that is what we could not afford to lose at this point!

JMHO! <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Right now my impressions of what I've read about his play and other comments is that he sounds like he's an over sized wide receiver. I'm sure with more coaching and experience he will improve his blocking in time. JMHO

j/c

I won't buy the arguments that he's worried about getting hurt. If he's that worried, he shouldn't be playing at all. When you get on that field, you perform 100% and let the injuries be damned. We have a lot of guys banged up, and we don't let them off the hook just because they may be "worried." "Yeah, it's ok that you missed that block, Cosey Coleman, you're probably worried about your knee." Give me a break.

Winslow MUST work on his blocking technique. This is going to be the thing that holds him back from being an elite TE. Teams will see that he can catch, but he can't block. They'll exploit that and, over time, the league and other fans will start to notice as well.

We wouldn't want a quarterback who is fast but can't throw, a linebacker that is amazing in pass coverage and horrible in run coverage, hurting plays. We want complete players.

Until Winslow becomes that complete player, I'll never be all up on his junk like so many others.

JMHO

As a tight end, he IS there to block. He is there to play the position of tight end. That means you block, you catch, you do what your position requires you to do. If he wants to be the best t.e., he will learn to block, or, plain and simple, he won't be the best tight end.

Really, the only position on offense that does not require blocking skills is the q.b. - anyone else? If you can't block, you're not helping the team as well as you COULD.

Not saying he isn't good, by any stretch, but I am saying he needs to play the position like it should be played - be ABLE to, that is.

I'd take an average catcher good blocker t.e. over a great receiver poor blocker t.e. any day. (If he can't block, he can't help the running game - when you have a running game, the passing game is better - even if it's for selfish reasons, he needs to become a better blocker - i.e. the better he blocks, the better he will receive)

But, that's just my opinion.

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He's nothing remotely close to a adequate blocker. Not in any way, shape, or form. He's probably the worst starting TE in this league in terms of blocking, and he isn't in there just to catch passes. If we're going to take it to the next level, he's going to have to improve.

As it stands right now, he's purely a one-dimensional player. [/color]

LOL i been looking for that song all over.....HE CAN DO IT HES OUR MAN!

These young men are just starting to learn the pro game and like a lot of his other team mates (Frye,Jones, Edwards, Pool etc) KWII will like a good wine have to age in his own time.

It's a big jump from collegiate ball to professional and I'm sure after playing a full year Kellen will release how much time he's lost through injury in the learning curve.

I laugh to myself and not at my fellow fans on the board who are so impatient to see these young men to excel at the professional level, a lot don't realize just how hard it is and only the players with something special super talent i.e. Ladainian Tomlinson , who also happens to have the good OL and other talented players around him, that helped speeded his ascendancy to one the premier running backs, in the NFL today. JMHO <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

I think you just described Steve Heiden. The reason Steve isn't noticed is he
doesn't draw atention to himself with a loaud mouth. He just does his job.

that is a huge reason i like heiden. he just does his job, and doesnt draw attention to himself or the team, he just wants to win. but i will agree that winslow is a horrible blocker. he has the strength and the determination to become a good one. despite this weakness even bengals fans i know admit winslow cant be stopped.

This is why we are seeing the double TE sets and Winslow being split out, I don't think the Browns run behind Winslow much. I tend to agree that Winslow is not a force as a blocker, he needs to improve in this area.

I like Heiden as a TE. He is a better blocker and can catch the ball.

Dinkens was brought in to be the blocker TE on 3rd and short situations.

Geez, get on board here will ya! He wasn't drafted for his blocking skills, nobody in the media ever said he was a top shelf blocker. KW2 never said he was either... This isn't new and exciting. It is what it is..

KW2 was a playmaker in college and so far this year, he's been a playmaker,, why are you so surprised that he can't block...