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Yea I seen that. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. what a lame duck he was if true.
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lol you almost wanna spill the beans and hope you don't get the boot by the refs.... was wondering if anyone besides me saw that.  And it says Glazer will be posting something soon on foxsports.com about it.
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Don't think Mangini is getting fired, but I just read that another person may have just been..... more to come I'm sure soon if true.
and the wheels on the bus go thump thump thump...
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I have a feeling Kokinis will get the boot today. A very strong feeling.
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Only half of the Not so Dynamic Duo that would need to go to bring in a big name football guy.
That's odd though if it's true.
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Don't think Mangini is getting fired, but I just read that another person may have just been..... more to come I'm sure soon if true.
and the wheels on the bus go thump thump thump...
If he's the only guy I've a feeling his partner through him under that bus!
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Well, since Lerner questioned what this particular person actual did for the organization yesterday, it would not be in the least bit surprising.
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Mangini will be gone too. They are tearing away everything he put in place in some 9 months. No way Mangini remains.
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Maybe Kosar told Lernar, Kokinis was doing nothing??
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I have a feeling Kokinis will get the boot today. A very strong feeling.
Did that very strong feeling come from a very reliable website that has inside sources who are reporting this? 
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Unfreaking believable I'm sick of this "kicking a guy to the curb crap!" 
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Mangini will be gone too. They are tearing away evreything he put in place in some 9 months. No way Mangini remains.
I'm not thrilled it's not working out but you can't do the things Lerners talking of without a complete and total purge. At least not after his "man" is in place.
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Wow.
Not sure what to think about that. I'm thinking I like Mangini even less.
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It's not a rumor,, Channel three is confirming that Kokinis was terminated today around NOON
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j/c
here is the thing that concerns me the most, if we are this pathetic on the field, then what is the shape of the front office behind closed doors. We have a boat load of draft picks, but if our front office is in shambles- yikes. We may as well throw darts at the draft board and hope for the best.....
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Yet Mangini remains.
This firing has about as much effect on the operations of this team as that Erin chick getting let go earlier this week.
Mangini was this guys superior. The dictator remains in power. His first officer was just sacrificed. But the administration is essentially unchanged.
This move is nothing more than a public marketing move.
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Unless someone with prior success is hired to handle our draft picks. That seems to be the situation right now anyway.
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It's not a rumor,, Channel three is confirming that Kokinis was terminated today around NOON
Yet Mangini said nothing during his 3 PM presser.
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Mangini probably threw him under the bus to save his own job. As people have said.
There is no way Mangini survives this season. And once he is gone he will have trouble finding another job in the NFL.
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When Mangini gets fired, he will probably never get another head coaching job. his reputation is just about shot.
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If he threw Kokinis under the bus he is toast.
That just screams of a guy on his last legs doing anything he can to save face.
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Sad thing is, we have no idea of Kok's ability. He was nothing more than another EM yes man.
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Problem is, he's still in the midst of paying the $20 million to Savage and Crennel
We are just making noise with no progress. Learner should fire Learner. He is not a football owner and should not be in charge. We will never find out anything unless we have the patience to see what will happen. We wanted Mangini so give him a year. Crennel was not that bad but we had to have a change...will we ever get ten wins with this group????
The only teams that fire staff so fast are the ones that are struggling like Redskins with Snyder and Oakland with Davis and Dallas that finally settled down to let a coach make some progress.
I don't like the current NFL it is too big and has a profit over football mentality. Are there really 32 quality NFL QBs or head coaches. I don't think so ...we are stuck with the leavings since we were dumped by Modell.
We started in a hole with poor draft picks and a really bad GM in Policy. Clark had no draft skills and we were instantly way behind. It took us 5-6 years to start to be competitive. We finally started to get some form of an offense...Oline RB and QB and defense Dline LBs and may have been reasonably competive with Crennel. Why did he get an extension? It makes Learner look like an impulsive jerk to give him an extension and then fire him.
We will not be competitve untill we have a real talent at HC and a GM that really knows how to pick players. The team was started by Paul Brown who was an innovator and knew how to win. It will take a very long time to find such a talent again if ever.
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Sad thing is, we have no idea of Kok's ability. He was nothing more than another EM yes man.
doesn't that tell u everything u need to know though?
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I'm with you...i've been on a tirade about LERNER in the other thread...he is the problem. Yes, Mangina sucks.....but Lerner isn't involved in the business and hires the coach before the GM two times in row....what an idiot
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I'm with you...i've been on a tirade about LERNER in the other thread...he is the problem. Yes, Mangina sucks.....but Lerner isn't involved in the business and hires the coach before the GM two times in row....what an idiot
Savage was hired on January 6th of 2005. Crennel wasn't named coach until Febuary 8th of 2005. Crennel was not hired before Savage.
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What investers? Wasn't Ellis a 51% owner, with fans owning a stake in the team? RL is 100% owner now, and the only other "investers" he has right now are the people he's pulled in through marketing/advertising deals.
Not what i'm talking about, probably my fault for not being clear enough. The investors i'm talking about are from other teams. The Americans that took over Utd, (Brand United are a financial juggernaut in their own right though) Abramovich at Chelsea, the new mob at Man City etc......Villa's clout in the transfer market is still secon tier to those clubs as well as Liverpool and Arsenal.
Personally, i don't think Villa are gonna win the League in the next 10 years. 2nd tier is all they got to look forward to with a good run in Europe and maybe a Cup final here or there.
The Youth system and Foundation was already there. I'm not arguing with you per se, i'm just trying to set the record straight on a few comments attributing Lerner as the be all end all of the Team's current success. Outside of Financial backing and hiring a top class coach, it was probably harder to screw up the team than it was to make something successful, out of something that ias already a success. 
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The only teams that fire staff so fast are the ones that are struggling like Redskins with Snyder and Oakland with Davis and Dallas that finally settled down to let a coach make some progress.
What progress has Dallas made? No playoff wins since 96!
If you and others don't get it the long lived meaning of NFL is Not For Long! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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how has Dallas settled down with a coach?
Parcell's years were constant clash with Jerry....
now there are constant rumors of Wade being fired....Jerry flying Shanahan in after he was fired to "talk" to him, et cetera....most think he's gone if the 'Boys don't win the superbowl....NFC Champ game and out for Shanny (like SD a few years ago)
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Comparing Aston Villa to the Cleveland Browns is like comparing apples to oranges.
They operate in different sports with massively different rules regarding how the team can be run. In Soccer there is no salary cap, therefore anyone can buy a team and if they continue to throw enough money at them they will be a contender.
A huge part of the attraction of the NFL for me is the salary cap that (until this season!) has promoted some degree of parity, this doesnt exist in Soccer and if Randy wanted to, he could throw hundreds of millions at AV and turn them into the best team.
The Villa fans love Randy, he has done some good things since buying the team BUT Deadly Doug Ellis (the previous Villa owner) was about as popular at Villa as Art Modell is in Cleveland. It would be very hard to not have the Villa fans on your side.
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english dawg,, thanks so much for your thoughts.. I was unaware that no cap exists in the Premier league..
I had heard that the big difference between Lerner and the former owner was the that randy was willing to spend whatever it took to win..
That's pretty much something that he does here but within the CAP structure. What he doesn't do is tell the GM (or former) or the HC how to allocate that money and who to spend it on,. those guys pick the players..
I take it that Randy put up the money but doesn't pick the players for AV either. am I correct?
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j/k We've all made mistakes in buisness, Randy isnt perfect .....just rich.... I dont think RAC & Savage was a wrong hire, they were not thier at the right time, Mangini & konkis, wrong hire, it happens, But I do and am giving Randy credit for seeing a mistake and not waiting to correct it, like others wanna give them 2-3 years, randy has stepped in and done something now. Sometimes the right person for the job isnt the right person for this time. I've always believed if your gonna bring on a new coach you need a strong organization around him, like Daniles in Denver, we dont have that so we need a strong coach like a gruden or fisher to work with a strong organization like a Holgram or Parcells, that would be nice. 
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I wonder what's going through the players minds right about now?
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I wonder what's going through the players minds right about now?
was wondering that also,,, how could they not be stressed out.. Kinda like the players felt when Modell announced he was moving the Browns.. remember the players back then,, they seemed to give up... until the last game anyway...
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No worries Daman ... I may not bring alot of football knowledge to the board but I know my Soccer Randy has spent money at Aston Villa, but nowhere near as much as top teams (Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal) Aston Villa have one of the best Managers in the game and I am 100% sure that Randy has zero input in any team purchases, selections or how the club is run. I would liken this to his approach with the Browns. I just checked and it seems that the current Aston Villa manager arrived at the club a few weeks before Randy completed the takeover, so it looks like he has had no involvement with the hiring or firing at Aston Villa period! It seems to me a number of posters have a gripe with Randy or (Junior  ) maybe because he inherited his Fathers fortune and team!? I dont believe anyone can say that Randy hasn't provided the $ to make the Browns competitive, his hires have simply not worked out. When these mistakes have become obvious, to his credit, he has opened his cheque book again to try and bring the winning formula to the Browns.
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I dont believe anyone can say that Randy hasn't provided the $ to make the Browns competitive, his hires have simply not worked out. When these mistakes have become obvious, to his credit, he has opened his cheque book again to try and bring the winning formula to the Browns.
Man, I'm starting to love the British...LOL you guys have such a beautiful way of saying things.. 
Honestly,, that all sounds about right but for some over here, there is a conspiracy lurking behind every closed door.. For those folks, nothing is what it seems, everything has an alternate meaning and it's always something devastingly horrid and demeaning to the fan base of the team..
You probably read it on here how the reason the Browns are failing is because he cares more about AV then he does the browns.. As proof of that, it's been said that he BOUGHT AV,, but inherited the Browns so he doesn't want the browns..... it's more that he's just saddled with them.. What a joke..
The man is a billionaire several times over.. if he doesn't want the team, it's easy,, Sell it, most likely at a profit and pocket the cash.. he'll only get richer..
But he hasn't even suggested it.. and he keeps taking action to correct sins of the past.. Some of them his.
I think when you come right down to it, the only thing you can ask of an owner is to fix what's broken by hiring the right folks.. he's missed a couple of times,, Big deal,, Art Rooney missed 7 times before he got Chuck Noll.... It happens...
Thanks English....
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But rather than piling on a coach and owner, I think we ought to find a QB, tackle, and learn to pass cover. The other stuff is screwed up priorities. And fumbles are mental mistakes more often than not. So get that wrong-headed priority of slash and burn the FO after playing ball. It needs better people.
I'm a little confused here Bard... Mangini brought in the people including the assistant coaches, so if we have the wrong people and the people we have are making mental mistakes and not coached well, then doesn't that fall on him?
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Yes it does..just as it's been pointed out..here's the thing..RL doesn't want to pay Gini if he terminates him..it is pointless to fire him now..he may be trying to get him to resign at the end of the year..get rid of his hand picked people..he might pull a Botch and can himself..
However the writing is on the wall..Gini's now got to report to someone ...man this is wild..dude wasn't discussing anything with Kokopuffs..just making deals and not having discussions..
So right now he's got little power...and some of those assistants will be gone..not the ST's coach or Ryan..
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So right now he's got little power...and some of those assistants will be gone..not the ST's coach or Ryan
I guess that's what we have to wonder from here on out....do we end up keeping Ryan and Seeley with the next regime like NYJ did with Schott. I think we do.
and I think Mangini just pulls a Zorn and sits on his contract until the end of the year....why wouldn't he?
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