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Nice post and welcome to the board. Just a couple of quick notes.
1. draft...almost every good Center I have seen coming into this League has struggled with shotgun snaps. I think it comes with the territory and is very fixable. But as you said a good part of our draft.
You have to add Coleman and Elam to the draft as well. Frankly Elam has been a disappointment and I cannot believe how slow he is. Coleman on the other hand has been great and the perfect 3-4 DE and a good addition.
2. LUGA...  fools gold - and with DQ n Barton here would not have been starting. Obviously he'd be getting reps now with the injuries. But nothing missed to be noted as a glaring mistake.
If you wish to lament on a missed opportunity...at least state Loadholt RT...not the MEDIA PR guy Luga. He is not a great ILB missed on. Now there is a kid named Lee on Penn State...now there is the next great ILB 
3. Francies... he's a rookie and quite frankly just a 6th rounder not enough to upseat McD and CB is not the problem of this team. Pressure my young pup...pressure.
4. "the opportunity to trade Braylon Edwards to the Giants for a 2nd round pick, 4th round pick and Steve Smith?"
Well I'm glad you put the (?) in there cause it wasn't factual. Smith was who we were asking for as in conversation. And none of that was confirmed at all just speculation on a brief conversation made with the Giants at the Combine.
Just remember at the time we had ambitions of a Winning season and BE was our Main weapon any and all trades for him pre-season would have to be of the too good to pass up variety. Who beside DjangoBrown could have predicted the season we would have...of course for all the wrong reasons  Once the season was lost we had to dump him cause at season end we wouldn't have gotten anything!
5. The trade was not bad at all. Yes, in lieu of Elam being a bust from what we can see the magnitude of that trade is much less.
But I'm not sold on Sanchez either...remember the kid started ONE SEASON in college. I think he has the tools but maybe not as NFL ready as some first presumed.
6. Handling of the QB situation. Got to agree with you there. From day one I was dead set against a QB competition. And my biggest fear was realized...I was afraid of the INTOXICATING effect DA has on coaches cause he has to be one of the most amazing PRACTICE players to set foot in the NFL.
But new system, new coaches...Competition was a HORRIBLE MOVE!! Evaluate your QBs...pick one and stick with them from DAY ONE and build the offense around them and GEL the OFFENSE as a UNIT!!! Instead we have one of the most disfunctional offenses around. Got to agree with you there and possibly Mangini's Waterloo...DA bringing down another REGIME  I'm telling you he's like Heroin!!
7. Cause the Defense under Ryans leadership is not as bad as the stats show...and have been competitive they just cannot DOMINATE the entire game with an Offense averaging less than 10 points a game.  and most of those points were due to the Special teams not the offense!
Speaking of which our special teams are Superb...so that really our demise this season is centered around the OFFENSE.
BE or KW2...I doubt it...DA + the handling of the QB situation (Competition) big time!
8. Fan base turning on MANGINI...
a. I warned him (as a fan not personally) that he was swimming in dangerous waters putting his career in the hands of DA.
b. He needed to win and win fast (possibly his bad move of going with DA) because I have never seen a HC hated and despised by the MEDIA as much as Mangini - at their whim because he ratted on Belicheck.
Who knows whats going to happen now...Grades. I don't have GRADES just opinions on the subject matter on hand. if you wish to put grades on it...what is has been is an Organizational mess. But most definitely centered around the OFFENSE.
JMHO
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Got to agree with you there and possibly Mangini's Waterloo...DA bringing down another REGIME I'm telling you he's like Heroin!!
a. I warned him (as a fan not personally) that he was swimming in dangerous waters putting his career in the hands of DA.
EO...I have to flag you for BS on your above comments. Trying to blame Anderson for Mangini's failures.
Mangini could have pulled Anderson at any time and lord knows, Anderson only deserved about 2-3 games starting before most coaches would have pulled him. He did produce against the Bengals and that might be the reason Mangini stuck with him.
...then the Browns won the game in Buffalo so I can understand Mangini not making a change at QB after Buffalo.
...but, then we had Pittsburgh, Green Bay and Chicago, all very poor games for Anderson and why Mangini didn't sit him, I have no clue why he didn't.
We do have to consider the "facts"...Mangini traded away our two most productive pass catchers this season and what our QBs are left with is throwing to WRs who have a lot of trouble hanging on to the football for reason's I can't figure out.
Blaming DA for Mangini's decision to play him and keep playing him even when he didn't play well...that's not DA fault, EO...and you know it.
Quinn will start the rest of the year and hopefully he can give us better production at the QB spot.
I can't help but feel that the Browns have destroyed more talent than they have ever developed since returning to the NFL. At one time, Derrick Anderson was a very good QB, but then something happened. Quinn was supposed to be the answer and he has not produced.
I do believe Quinn must start the rest of this season so the next HC knows what we have at the QB position. The decision to start Quinn might be dictated to Mangini from Kosar to Lerner to Mangini....jmho...mac
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I agree Mac. I think you would be hard pressed to find ONE of us would did not want to see BQ benched after the start that he had. However, I don't think you can fault either QB. Like you said, neither QB is as bad as they seem now. I think it is 60% OC, 20% WR & 20% QB. As bad as our offense has gotten week after week, to me it seems like were getting further & further away from being on the same page. That is on the OC. There doesn't seem to be any plan, just drop back & try to find the open guy. Where are the hot reads? WR's running up field & QB throwing 5 yds. behind them. Means to me the WR did not stop & come back for the ball. Nobody's playing together.
Nobody wanted to see BQ after the first few games, and now we don't want to see DA either. Something's rotten in denmark & I don't think it's the QB's.
I hope we get this figured out. To late for this year, but maybe we start after we change the Coach & we hired a decent OC too.
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Here's an interesting perspective from NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora on the Browns situation. He, like many others, thinks the situation doesn't look good for Mangini, and that Lerner will again reach out to Bill Cowher. The reason I'm posting this is for you to check out the tremendous video of Mangini on the sidelines at the Bears game. Specifically the looks he gives Daboll (who looks scared out of his mind) at the 2:22 mark (where Daboll is speaking with Mangini in the headset) and directly after at 2:24. For someone who has confidence in Daboll, it certainly doesn't look like it here. LaCanfora on Mangini
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Here's an interesting perspective from NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora on the Browns situation. He, like many others, thinks the situation doesn't look good for Mangini, and that Lerner will again reach out to Bill Cowher.
The reason I'm posting this is for you to check out the tremendous video of Mangini on the sidelines at the Bears game. Specifically the looks he gives Daboll (who looks scared out of his mind) at the 2:22 mark (where Daboll is speaking with Mangini in the headset) and directly after at 2:24.
For someone who has confidence in Daboll, it certainly doesn't look like it here.
LaCanfora on Mangini
If he reaches out to Cowher he better lead with his wallet! It will take full power and loads of cash to land him.
Boomer Esiason would fall out of his chair if Bill took the job! I'd actually like to see that!
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I'm not defending Savage. I didn't like the guy at all, actually. And I think Crennel wasn't the best of coaches in the world.
But you cannot defend anything else than saying that they had a DECENT roster in 2007 and subsequently in 2008. You just can't. No one goes 10-6 without a DECENT roster. I don't care what the schedule is, who had career years, etc., it just doesn't happen.
And you are ignorant at best to say that 2008 happened simply because of lack of talent. Last year was one of the worst in recent memory in terms of injuries, and when you're down to your 4th QB in the last two games, that's saying something. Again, DECENT roster, which had unfortunate things happen to it.
Why not? The 2007 Detroit Lions went 6-2 during the first half of the season... then 1-7 in the second half and 0-16 the following year with a similar roster.
Only a small percentage of players we've released in the last couple years are even in the NFL still, because they aren't good enough to stick to another roster.
Does it really even matter?
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