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U obviously don't get it..money is a factor in this whether you think it is or isn't.
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U obviously don't get it..money is a factor in this whether you think it is or isn't.
Gees,, what's it take to get through to some people,,, YES., Money plays a role I'm sure.. BUT MONEY isn't the thing that is stopping Lerner from paying Koks his contract...
Lerner has already paid out in a similar situation with others he's fired..
MONEY isn't the reason that Lerner isn't paying Koks to go away....
Geez,,, what's it gonna take to get that across......
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In reading all your defenses . . . I can not say you are reading to much into it, as I feel the same way. There is something more to his firing than meets the eye OR the statement that it was --with cause--is nothing more than a PR ploy. I do not know that Randy is that savvy.
All this really boils down to is why fire a GM midseason when he obviously had ZERO control over the product on the field. Then you have your answer. He wasn't doing what he was hired to do, period. He was not living up to his end of the bargain.
When you trade Braylon Edwards and not know about it, WHO signed the document? Who authorized it?
I think Lerner is less worried about a the millions he has to pay out to Savage, Crennel and Kokinis and more worried about losing a very profitable fan base in the long run. Spend a few now, make a lot later.
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Yup,, that's about right....
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U obviously don't get it..money is a factor in this whether you think it is or isn't.
Just to reaffirm this a bit: According to Forbes 2008, Randy is only worth $1.5 Billion now.
However, purusing the 2009 list of World Billionaires, he isn't even on the list: link
That is a HEFTY chunk that has evaporated from an originally reported $4+ Billion.
Given that the team was valued at one point in the $800M range, and he paid about $120M for Aston Villa..... I would say that poor Randy has gotten cash-poor.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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1.5bill...and what would that sum be if he wasn't still paying EX-Browns FO people?
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16 Li Ka-shing Hong Kong 80 16.2 Hong Kong  back to topic 
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That is a HEFTY chunk that has evaporated from an originally reported $4+ Billion.
I have a correction to make,, 4+ billion was what the family was reportedly worth,, Not just Randy... that now includes Randys sister Nancy and his mother Norma as well.. Norma is supposedly worth about a Billion at the moment. I can't seem to find the net worth of Nancy.. (married name Fisher I think)
Best I can tell, that puts the family net at somewhere around 2.5 plus Nancys and Randys browns and AV. Don't know what either team is worth.
Keep in mind:
George Stienbrenner is worth 1.15 Billion
Dan Snyder - 1.1 Billion
Alex Spanos - 1.1 Billion
So in the Grand scheme of things, Randy isn't doing so bad..
For the record, Al Lerner was worth 4.3 Billion http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Lerner_Al_1390229.aspx
I have no idea what the family networth number is today.. But what it may indicate is that Randy himself didn't drop from 4+ to 1.5 billion,,
Let me also say this for the record,, people that have a billion bucks didn't get there by blowing bucks stupidly.. they know that it can go away in the blink of an eye (well, maybe just a hair longer than a blink if your talking billions)
So I'm quite sure that randy doesn't pay for anything he doesn't need to pay for. why would he?
Unless there is a legitmate reason it's owed, or a business reason to pay to cut losses.. I'm sure he looks it over carefully before paying out.
My comments on this subject weren't ever about the money, they were about the reasons for Lerners actions as they relate to those he's fired.
Palmer - Not sure if they paid him his contract but I bet you they did
Davis - Reportedly his contract was paid out
Collins - to the best of our knowledge, he paid out his contract
Savage - Reported that his contract was or is being paid out
RAC - Reported that his contract was or is being paid out
Then comes:
Kokinis -
1. First executive fired "for cause" that I'm aware of
2. First executive to be reportedly escorted out the door by officials
3. First executive to reportedly hire an attorney to fight the Browns decision
Lots of firsts which was the point of my comments..
Further, because Randy reportedly did or is still paying out other terminated employees contracts, it's safe to say that there is more to the Kokinis firing.
Others on here seem to think its all about Lerner not wanting to pay Kokinis,, Some on here feel it's all about the money. (same junk we heard about the Quinn benching)
I disagree with that completely if for no other reason than he hasn't used the 'for cause' comment before and to my knowledge, has never refused to pay out a contract for a fired employee..
He has set a precedent.. he's paid before,, There is something different this time..
JMO,,,
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jc didn't know where to put this....here goes: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/DMN-Henne-is-a-work-in-progress.htmlBut Ricky Williams has found the fountain of youth and is running better and fumbling less than I’ve ever seen him in his career. His speed, his burst, appear better now than when he came out of college. Had Bill Parcells been the guy so many portray him to be – someone who cleans out the locker room upon arrival -- Williams would have been gone. But Parcells is calculated with his locker room cleansing program and knows who he can change and who is not worth changing. There lies the difference between what’s happening in Kansas City and Cleveland right now.Had to think bout BE and KW here...and some minor moves like Veikune over Leon Williams, Hood over Poteat, or whatever 3rd TE over Rucker....on the roster: Jennings over Harrison, Trusnik over Hall.... Parcells is a good example how to do it "your way" with reason....EM the opposite
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Parcells would have looked 10 ft tall to Edwards and Winslow. Although I was all for letting them both go, a lot could have been done with those two had Parcells been dealing with them.
When you come in the locker room at 4 ft tall dragging a legacy of being a snitch it's already a count against you. And being a hard-nosed dictator with nothing in your career to back up your being that way it's hard to get the full attention of players who are already disenchanted with the organization.
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didn't know where to put this....here goes:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/DMN-Henne-is-a-work-in-progress.html
But Ricky Williams has found the fountain of youth and is running better and fumbling less than I’ve ever seen him in his career. His speed, his burst, appear better now than when he came out of college. Had Bill Parcells been the guy so many portray him to be – someone who cleans out the locker room upon arrival -- Williams would have been gone. But Parcells is calculated with his locker room cleansing program and knows who he can change and who is not worth changing. There lies the difference between what’s happening in Kansas City and Cleveland right now.
Had to think bout BE and KW here...and some minor moves like Veikune over Leon Williams, Hood over Poteat, or whatever 3rd TE over Rucker....on the roster: Jennings over Harrison, Trusnik over Hall....
Parcells is a good example how to do it "your way" with reason....EM the opposite
I think EM believes that his moves are well calculated, thought out football decisions vital to the team when in reality it's swapping out losers for a scrubs.
To me he seems to be "playing head coach", not being a real head coach.
If a guys horks a bottle of water, why not pull him aside and say, "Hey man, not cool. I'm gonna pay for this but from here out we don't operate this way".
Saves face for the guy, gains you some respect because it doesn't go public
and make everyone look like a herd of donkeys!
My confidence in him is low.
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