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Trading back is always an option. I would love a Ricky Williams deal, but realize that is not probably not in the cards.
This simply wont happen in todays NFL. Most teams view the 1st pick as a burden as opposed to a blessing. This is due to contracts and the ridiculous amount of pressure placed on first overall picks. This is something that will hopefully change in the new agreement, a rookie scale similar to the what the NBA uses.
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Next question: Let's say we win another game or 2 and we have the 3rd pick or possibly the 4th. Who would you guys look at assuming Suh and Berry go before us?
First let me eliminate one player right away..Okung..the Browns will not draft a LT in a top 5 slot and move him to the right side..not happening..
We need so many playmakers in so many places, I don't know where to start for a ranking of needs like this..but this draft is not top heavy in anything especially QB's..I'd say in a strong draft any of this year's QB's would be late 1st/2nd round picks....same with RB's ...
McCoy IMO is not a good fit here...he's more of a 43 linemen to me..and if we couldn't get Suh, I want Cody from Bama..
It's hard ,because right now we don't know who's coming out and who's staying in school.
I would maybe look at these players if the Browns couldn't trade down and both Berry/Suh are gone..
Carlos Dunlap DE/Florida
Rolando McClain LB/Alabama
Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma St
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If Suh or Berry isn't there, I will want to scream... However, Dez Bryant will be and he is the next best thing available. We need playmakers. He would be the perfect choice IMO. However, maybe we pick Locker and hope that Shipley or Dwyer falls to us in the 2nd!!!!
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I agree that if Suh and Berry are gone it would suck. What would be worse is drafting someone else with one of these 2 on the board. As of now I am sticking with Haden as my choice but I can understand Dez Bryant and Rolando McClain.
So Happy Thanksgiving to everybody and in the tradition of thanks I will propose this next question. Which player would you want to fall to us in the second round. I am talking about a guy who will probably go mid to late round 1 but would be sweet if he would fall to us.
My #1 pick for this gift would be Jerry Hughes DE TCU. I think he will be a great 3-4 OLB. I would project him at about 20-25 right now but if he has a so-so 40 at the combine he could drop to round 2. Plus coming from TCU he may be undervalued. He probably won't be available but if things fall into place maybe we get lucky.
Who is on your to give thanks for list. Bradford? McCoy? A top of this draft Qb could fall to round 2 if Locker and Clausen both come out. Especially if Bradford's shoulder surgery prevents him from working out pre-draft. Perhaps Pike or Tebow go above one of these guys.
What about Dwyer? Could he fall to round 2? Beanie Wells almost did. Rb's tend to fall a little on draft day.
I would put Hughes #1 followed by Dwyer. Not sure if I would pick a Qb with our 2nd round pick. Guess I need to see what BQ does the rest of this season - irregardless I would trade DA for a dozen footballs and a waterboy to be named later. I'm not very excited about bringing in a rookie QB.
So who do you want to be giving thanks for in round 2 and what makes you think this 1st round talent could possibly fall to us in the 2nd?
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Dwyer... what makes him the best option in Round 2? - Power and a little bit of Speed. He doesn't have Beanie Wells like speed at least from what I have seen so far. However, he may surprise on draft day. Perfect AFC North back to me. We have James Davis who showed signs of hope, so lets gets that 2nd back for the 2 headed monster.
What makes him fall? - Like you said, RB's tend to fall. Spiller and Best probably get taken within the first round because of the potential they have to be Chris Johnson type players. They could both also be Reggie Bush IMO. With that said the first round last year saw two RBs taken and then next slipping.... I think that puts Dwyer in our lap.
Colt McCoy or Sam Bradford... what makes then a great choice? Both of proven winner and show great accuracy and poise. Seems like they have the intangibles and the skills to be NFL QBs.
What makes them fall? - McCoy - size. Bradford - Injuries and Questionable arm strength (although I don't see it---I am with Mel Kieper on this one)
Jerry Hughes - good choice? Because we need LBs and he IMO will be one heck of a 3-4 OLB in the NFL. Has the size and all the tools.
What makes him fall? So many failed conversions of DEs to LBs. (Unless he is playing the 3-4 now in college) He may also run a slower time than the usual 3-4 OLB.
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Lot of guys I'm looking at. Jerry Hughes would be sweet, and it would be ridiculous for him to fall that far, but it is possible. Dwyer would be a great option, but again, I doubt he's there. Greg Hardy could fall due to injury and character. Jason Fox OT of Miami or Bruce Campbell of Maryland would both be good right tackles. Mike Iupati is a sweet run blocking guard from Idaho. Jermaine Gresham (Oklahoma) or Anthony McCoy (USC) will probably be there. Brandon Spikes is an option. Safeties Nate Allen (USF) or Earl Thomas (Texas) could be there.
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Deep - there are many options. Pick your top 2.
Also give us a review of the top Qb's:
Do you consider any a top 3 draft choice?
Any you would like at the top of round 2?
What about Pike out of Cincy? Haven't seen him personally but his numbers are impressive when he plays. Seem like a lot of injury issues.
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GBN draft report is speculating that Berry might not come out this year. Supposedly coach Kiffin announced that Berry had a surprise for Tennessee fans for todays Tenn.-Kentucky game also he didn't participate in senior tackle day.
If we end up with the top pick in the draft i think our best choices will either be to take Suh or trade back a bit. My latest picks for the Browns would be:
1. DT Ndamukong Suh Nebraska
2. OG Mike Iupati Idaho
3a. TE Aaron Hernandez Florida
3b. LB Eric Norwood South Carolina
3c. S Harry Coleman LSU
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It's really hard to do at this point. Too many things can happen as far as where players will be slotted. But I'll give it a shot.
For the 2nd round, my favorite there is Jerry Hughes. Doubtful he'll be there though. Then it's Jonathan Dwyer, who I also doubt will be there. But both are possible.
As for the QB's:
1. No, I do not. Clausen is my favorite, but I think he's an ass, and he doesn't have that great of potential.
2. I'd take Clausen, Locker, or Bradford there, not that I expect one of them to be there.
3. Not a big Pike fan. As you said, he's injury prone, but that is just one of my concerns. He doesn't have that strong of an arm, and I think he's a system QB. Seems like his receivers are wide open. He's just getting them the ball.
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I agree with loving Hughes and Dwyer and agree that neither is likely to be there but then again my question was about who do you want that prob won't be there but could surprise everyone and fall.
I don't like any Qb in the top 3. Bradford could fall to round 2 if his injury is slow to heal and he can't workout before the draft. Like I said haven't seen Pike with my own eyes.
dawg66 - That would be an interesting development. What if he stays and we get Suh this year and Berry next year? A guy can dream can't he?
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Also, Tennessee fans are still expecting Berry to leave. Most think it's just that they might use him in the "WildBerry".
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For the 2nd round, my favorite there is Jerry Hughes. Doubtful he'll be there though. Then it's Jonathan Dwyer, who I also doubt will be there. But both are possible.
I'd rather have Toby Gerhart than Dwyer. I honestly think Gerhart would perfect for AFCN running team.
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Dwyer will do well in the NFL.. but not as a Cleveland Brown. He needs a support system.. He won't get that here.
Give me Gerhart as well.
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Not sure what you mean by that at all. I like Gerhet, but I just think Dwyer offers more as far as making a big play.
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Not sure what you mean by that at all. I like Gerhet, but I just think Dwyer offers more as far as making a big play.
plug Dwyer into Philly... He excels b/c they have other threats.. we have none, and therefore all the attention will be on him..
If teams stack the box on him.. He does nothing.
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Not sure what you mean by that at all. I like Gerhet, but I just think Dwyer offers more as far as making a big play.
Gerhart looked very very good against ND. My brother said he didn't think he was that big or fast enough for the pro game.
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Gerhart looked very very good against ND. My brother said he didn't think he was that big or fast enough for the pro game.
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If Suh or Berry isn't there, I will want to scream... However, Dez Bryant will be and he is the next best thing available. We need playmakers. He would be the perfect choice IMO. However, maybe we pick Locker and hope that Shipley or Dwyer falls to us in the 2nd!!!!
I have not seen Locker play that much..maybe one game..so I can't say anything about him..
I do know I've seen other QB's and none are worthy of a top five pick..
And the more I think ,the more I want to see the Browns package some of those low picks and trade up..this team has enough backups(starting)..time to get nothing but playmakers..not backups..
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I've seen Locker play probably 10 times over the last couple years - not sure why he could be considered a top 5 pick. I don't see any QB in this draft being top 5 talent.
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I am believing that the only way a player won't be available to us in the draft is if he doesn't declare.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Attack - I agree about packaging picks. We don't need 11 rookies with more than half after the 3rd round. We need to get some impact players and you do that at the top of the draft. I would much prefer 5 players in the top 4 rounds and anything left over rather than keeping all those late picks.
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Berry won't go with one of those first two or three picks. There's a reason that Sean Taylor, the best safety prospect EVER only went 6th. Teams value other positions with higher emphasis.
I think the real reason Taylor went FIFTH (Winslow went six to Browns) is because of some guys named Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Larry Fitzgerald.....there are no Mannings, Rivers, or Fitzgerald in this draft....
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I won't be suprised if the Borwns get some more picks..but I would still use lower ones to move up ..the team needs about 5 players in the top 75.. 
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5 in the top 75 would be great.
I have a revised top of the draft list:
Berry still #1
#2 Haden
#3 Cody
#4 Suh
Not sure yet where I would go after that. If Berry doesn't come out we would be sitting pretty for a trade down. I love Berry's playmaking/game changing ability. I truly believe that Haden can be a man to man shutdown corner and he doesn't miss a tackle. Cody is a man child. I don't know the extent of Rogers' injury but if he is out for a significant portion of the season we will need NT help. If he comes back healthy Rogers may have conditioning issues and need more plays off. Even if he had never been hurt Rogers is no spring chicken and I like the thought of Cody at NT with Rogers at DE better than Rogers at NT and Suh at DE.
I realize I will probably catch some heat for that opinion so I will try to distract all of you by asking the following question: If Bradford should happen to be available come our pick in round 2, what are your thoughts about drafting him at the slot?
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I think that's playing for need a little too much, but to be honest, the very top of the draft isn't that great. I don't think that Haden or Cody are worth top 5 picks, and Cody isn't even a top 10 guy IMO. My board is this:
1. Ndamukong Suh
2. Eric Berry
3. Rolando McClain
4. Gerald McCoy
5. Dez Bryant
6. Joe Haden
7. C.J. Spiller
8. Jimmy Clausen
9. Jake Locker
10. Jerry Hughes
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I don't think I am factoring in need that much. I think Haden IS top 5. I lso really like what Cody would bring to the middle of a 3-4 defense. I would probably put Hughes then McClain next.
McCoy is not on my list because I haven't seen him play.
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I am a Mclain Fan, a big one and I think he fits a need on our team. I personally think DQ is over praised as much as Andra Davis was over bashed. We need a thumper at ILBer, honestly I think the guys we have in there now are playing superior to Barton and perhaps better than DQ when they were both in there. Just my opinion. Perhaps a trade down scenario where we could get him would be a great situation if Suh or Berry aren't there for any reason and the team is sold on Quinn...
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Trade D'Qwell for a 2nd rounder.. and bring in both Spikes and McClain..
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I am a Mclain Fan, a big one and I think he fits a need on our team. I personally think DQ is over praised as much as Andra Davis was over bashed. We need a thumper at ILBer, honestly I think the guys we have in there now are playing superior to Barton and perhaps better than DQ when they were both in there. Just my opinion. Perhaps a trade down scenario where we could get him would be a great situation if Suh or Berry aren't there for any reason and the team is sold on Quinn...
I've seen 2-3 Alabama games this year vs some of the top teams and I haven't seen McClain do anything in those games. He didn't seem very instinctual or aggressive. I was really high on him based on the fact that Alabama kind of runs of 3-4, his measurables, and Saban coached players are usually a cut above, but I couldn't find anything that excited me based on the limited action I saw.
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I think that's playing for need a little too much, but to be honest, the very top of the draft isn't that great. I don't think that Haden or Cody are worth top 5 picks, and Cody isn't even a top 10 guy IMO. My board is this:
1. Ndamukong Suh
2. Eric Berry
3. Rolando McClain
4. Gerald McCoy
5. Dez Bryant
6. Joe Haden
7. C.J. Spiller
8. Jimmy Clausen
9. Jake Locker
10. Jerry Hughes
Your board slightly resembles mine....however for the Browns..if they just went BPA they couldn't go wrong..if they went BPA the whole draft they'd be better...but I know that ain't happenin'..
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Well... think it is safe to say Dunlap will fall now? I think he may be out of the Top 10 now unless he proves himself during the interviews.
Doesn't really matter to us Browns fans though... he isn't coming here and doesn't fit anyways (thankfully).
I think the writing is on the wall that we will be have a Top 3 pick this year. I can see Tampa at some point knocking someone off again and the Rams do still have Steven Jackson. With that said, I think there is a 4% chance one of those teams wins another game ( I don't think they play each other )
Therefore, my top 3 is...
Eric Berry
Ndamukong Suh
Jake Locker (if a QB is to be chosen)
Dez Bryant (if we stay with Quinn)
If we do end up with the #3 pick and Berry and Suh go before us I am calling #'s 4-10 to see what they are willing to give up. I have my doubts about Gerald McCoy and while I like Haden, he is not top 5 material.
The top players that I would like to see in Cleveland are....
Berry, Suh, Bryant, or Locker (Round 1)
Dwyer, Hughes, Iupati, Gerhart, Spikes (Round 2)
Decker, Rolle, Gilyard, Pike (Round 3)
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I haven't been keeping up as much this year but I'd be surprised if hughes was still there in the 2nd. Obviously its a poss. as Maualuga and Lauranitis were this year. No thanks to vardell and spikes. I'd rather have the monster from michigan's d-line if he was available.
Oh yeah, and no thanks to spread shotgun QBs (pike, mccoy, bradford, tebow, etc...)
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Rey and Laur were ILBs.....OLBs like Hughes generally do go higher (though Everrette Brown dropped).
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If I take the Browns need bias out of it i add Okung somewhere on this list. The only other changes I might make would be if I considered the rankings from a 4-3 teams perspecive rather than from our 3-4. This is just my opinion of the players from what I have seen. I could be way off base or more likely I am right about some of these guys but off base on a couple others.
It would be interesting if someone knew how to save these kind of threads so we can bring them out in 3-5 years and see how we did.
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If the Browns are in the top ten two positions should not be looked at..QB/OT...
I do not see any of the QB's worth a top ten pick..and the Browns will not draft a LT in the top 5 just to move him to the right side..not happening.
There are no RB's going top five either..most of these skill positions will have value in the second round.
Unless the Browns field the # 1draft choice (and take Suh),they need to duplicate what they did this past draft and drop down and get some high picks.
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they need to duplicate what they did this past draft and drop down and get some high picks.
Like some of those key 6th round picks we got and over the hill veterans 
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I redid my personal mock - a needs based mock for all 7 rounds for all teams - a lot of work unfortunately, but it removes baises of just projecting players into a round. Its different from what I did in the drafttek draft, because I did it, as opposed to the system doing it. Here's waht I came up with...
1st Round - Eric Berry, S
2nd Round – Selvish Capers, OT
3rd Round – Arrelious Benn, WR (I know he'll go earlier, but he was there...)
3rd Round- Brandon Lang, OLB
4th Round – LaGarrette Blount, RB
5th Round – Javier Arenas, CB
5th Round – Dan LeFevour, QB
5th Round- Roddrick Muckelroy, OLB
6th Round- Mike Neal, DE
6th Round- Zane Beadles, OG
7th Round- Josh Pinkard, FS
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