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I don't know how many people caught it, but Steve Young burried him after the game tonight, saying he lacked confidence and talent to be an NFL QB.
Yeah, I saw that. And agree with everything he said.
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let me get this straight . . . BQ isn't an NFL QB, he can't make a throw to save his life, I'd rather see DA than this . . . ---Are you kidding, DA sucks, at least BQ completes passes . . . ---you both are crazy we don't have an NFL QB on this team ---IT'S NOT the quarterback gentleman, it's the line, they can't block, Baltimore rushes three and STILL gets to the quarterback ---IT's the playcalling --There is nothing wrong with the playcalling --Daboll sucks! --We should not have gotten rid of Winslow --FIRE Mangini! . . . and I have an empty bottle of Chivas Regal, rats!  In the words of Roberto Duran . . . "No mas!"
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let me get this straight . . .
BQ isn't an NFL QB, he can't make a throw to save his life, I'd rather see DA than this . . .
---Are you kidding, DA sucks, at least BQ completes passes . . .
---you both are crazy we don't have an NFL QB on this team
---IT'S NOT the quarterback gentleman, it's the line, they can't block, Baltimore rushes three and STILL gets to the quarterback
---IT's the playcalling
--There is nothing wrong with the playcalling
--Daboll sucks!
--We should not have gotten rid of Winslow
--FIRE Mangini!
. . . and I have an empty bottle of Chivas Regal, rats!
In the words of Roberto Duran . . . "No mas!"
No mas to this type of posting. BQ sucks. Understand why, accept the why and move on.
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Friend, this whole team sucks. period. Every thread, every thread dances around the fact that this whole team sucks--period. Period. Get over yourself and whatever biases you have.
This whole team sucks. period. It's not BQ, it's not Daboll, it's not DA, it's not any one thing/person.
IT''S THE WHOLE THING!!!! My post is what every thread is about. THE WHOLE THING!
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When is 10cent beer night..Thats all I want to know.
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I'm not going to defend Quinn even though I'm not ready to have him drawn and quartered. Those two out of bounds late game throws were pathetic though.
But it needs to be stated that Steinbach, Mack, Womack and St. Clair did the Superfecta and all had their worst games of the year. It's not like Quinn was throwing off a solid front foot all night. Ask anyone who knows anything about QB play. If you don't have mechanics...because people are crashing through the middle of the line like rabid Detroit Moms at a Walmart on Black Friday....then you're not going to have success or be remotely accurate.
It's true that this is a new level of ineptitude. Something fresh. Baltimore does have a great scheme and great players executing it. We were awful top to bottom. No one had a remotely good game. Not even JT. Lewis left yards on the field too.
Anyway I'm tired, it's almost 9pm and I'm going to sleep and pretend this didn't happen.
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Playcalling isn't an excuse for bad accuracy, no confidence, and just awful play.
That just about sums it up.
Wow, I never thought Quinn would bust this bad.
Seconded.
I mean...........I cannot remember........EVER.........the last time I saw a QB drop back at the end of a game, throw two hail mary's down the field, and throw BOTH OF THEM five-yards out of bounds. 
Quinn looks like a QB on the sideline........he looks like a QB in front of the camera.........he looks like a QB in the huddle............he looks like a QB at the LOS............and he looks like a QB on the drop.........But after that, when it comes to throwing the ball more than 10-15 yards down the field, he's no QB, not an NFL one right now.
Quinn had so many just plain flat-bad throws tonight that I'm sorta in shock. I never thought I'd see Quinn be more inaccurate in a game than Anderson has been, but I did tonight. He was inaccurate in ways people have rightfully bagged on Anderson for. His 1st pick was just a poor throw to Royal. His "long" completion to Jennings was behind him on his ass, but he caught it. One throw to Robo on 3rd down was........well.........was only God knows where it was, as it sailed a good 10 yards out of bounds. His deep throws were beyond poor.
I'm just in shock.
Our QB situation is bad. The only real question is who is going to be our QB next year, because neither of the three guys on our roster are fit to be starters in this league. And we won't know that question until we learn who our next team President is going to be, and which GM he's going to install.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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its hard to read these threads and see the frustration, it clouds peoples ability to see the product on the field.
the jury is still out on BQ, if you thought otherwise, you had too much faith in our o line tonght
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The offensive line had nothing to do with all those high throws out of bounds............
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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let me get this straight . . .
BQ isn't an NFL QB, he can't make a throw to save his life, I'd rather see DA than this . . .
---Are you kidding, DA sucks, at least BQ completes passes . . .
---you both are crazy we don't have an NFL QB on this team
---IT'S NOT the quarterback gentleman, it's the line, they can't block, Baltimore rushes three and STILL gets to the quarterback
---IT's the playcalling
--There is nothing wrong with the playcalling
--Daboll sucks!
--We should not have gotten rid of Winslow
--FIRE Mangini!
. . . and I have an empty bottle of Chivas Regal, rats!
In the words of Roberto Duran . . . "No mas!"
No mas to this type of posting. BQ sucks. Understand why, accept the why and move on.
I second that. No more delusional thinking. Yes, it is the playcalling and other factors- but it *is also* Quinn. He flat out sucks. An utter, embarrassing joke of a QB.
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Ray Lewis calls out Quinn for "cheap shot."
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Though Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, who complained loudly last month regarding the protection of quarterbacks, apparently had nothing to say after Monday night's game regarding the 15-yard penalty imposed on the Browns via a low hit to Baltimore quarterback Joe Flacco, Lewis had plenty to say with respect to Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn's decision to dive at the knees of Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs during the return of an interception.
"That's an illegal blow," Lewis said, per the Associated Press (via Sean Leahy of USA Today). "I don't care how you want to look at it. . . .
"When you're running down and you're looking at the quarterback going at somebody's knees who doesn't even have the ball. I want to see if [Quinn] gets the same fine I got or even higher. Now [Suggs] is out four or five weeks because of some baloney like that."
The Ravens haven't commented officially on Suggs' status. He left the game with a knee sprain and did not return. Suggs is due to undergo an MRI on Tuesday.
Quinn denied wrongdoing in comments distributed by the team. "I was trying to go for the ball carrier," Quinn said. "I was trying to make the tackle on [Chris] Carr. I would never wish that upon anyone. I was upset about it on the field. He was someone I worked out in Arizona with. I will be praying for him.
"Again, we are sorry about that. That was never the intent. Again, I am sorry to Terrell and the rest of their team. . . . I apologized to the team as much as I could. I talked to Terrell as well, but he was in pain in that point in time and I don't know if he even heard."
We're still not sure why diving at the knees of someone other than the guy with the ball will result in a tackle of the guy with the ball, barring some sort of domino theory. (Hey, maybe that's how the guys in Miami can bootstrap their locker-room pastime to football.) And we'd have a lot more respect for guys like Quinn if they simply said, "It was chaotic. I don't play defense, I didn't know what to do, and that sense of frustration I felt after throwing an interception caused me do something that I thought at the time was a good idea. In hindsight, it wasn't."
I'd watched that play numerous times, and Quinn is lying through his teeth.
I can see a QB not knowing what to do and making a mistake like that. I CAN'T see lying about it. 
Furthermore, watching his reaction on the field, he didn't look upset that he cheaped Suggs, he looked upset that they threw the flag.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Is it just me, or did it seem like the whole game the announcers were going out of their way to say nice things about Quinn until the end? They started with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady couldn't succeed here the way things are so you have to give Quinn a chance, to we should be looking for a new QB and mocking his throws at the end. It's almost like they truly believed Quinn needed a chance to seeing enough of him after witnessing one game.
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You can take 90% of this team and insert them in this thread title!!
____ isn't an NFL _____.
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I still want to give him until the end of the season (provided he survives), if for no other reason than the 1% chance that he works out and we don't have to spend our top 5 pick (and money) on a QB. I think a lot of this does fall on Daboll's playcalling and Mangini's lack of receiving talent too, not to mention the OL who didn't exactly give Quinn more than 2 seconds to throw all night. Inaccurate throws are part a product of not being able to step into anything all night long.
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Furthermore, watching his reaction on the field, he didn't look upset that he cheaped Suggs, he looked upset that they threw the flag.
He could just as easily have been upset with hurting a guy he works out with in the offseason...as being upset about the flag...as being upset about the int...etc
Sorry Toad...you have absolutely no idea what he was upset about...you are reaching here.
Let the real BQ bashing continue...
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Nothing has changed - he can't throw a ball over 5 yards with ACCURACY to save his life. And b/c of that, Daboll can only do so much. I understand the concern over play calling, but they sure did try to mix it up and confuse the Ravens.
When your QB must throw 'passes' 5 yards and under, you really limit the possibilities.
And when you trade your only 2 threats to catch the ball and make a play, that kinda hurts too... No K2 or Edwards is really hurting this offense. We have ZERO playmakers/threats on offense. None. Makes gameplanning a bit easier on defense I would imagine.
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Ray Lewis calls out Quinn for "cheap shot."
OK, this always confuses me ... does this make Ray Ray the pot or the kettle?
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just clicking...
Had a moment of brilliance this morning.
We have 11 picks in the draft.
There's 11 positions on offense.
Serendipituous? Methinks so....
No I'm not being serious....obviously but my good god, this offense is horrible. My girlfriend asked me last night- "when were the Browns the absolute worst"
My answer? This year. I'll take the expansion Browns over the current squad any day of the week.
But hey....at least it can't be worse next year.... Here's to guaranteed improvement in '10.
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just clicking... This tread should really be titled "Browns aren't a NFL team". And, you could insert any initials where "BQ" is and it would fit in with the Browns right now. Sad, but true. I say we fire Brian Daboll and Carl Smith ASAP. Don't even let them finish the season out...it can't get any worse.
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I saw from Quinn tonight exactly what I see DA do and get absolutely lambasted for in other games ... not hitting receivers in stride, passes batted down at the LOS, receivers unable to catch the ball, taking sacks, fumbling the ball, etc, etc, etc.
I'm not sure what to make of it ... I don't know how much of it was playcalling (obvious bubble screens and scripted 'short routes') ... and how much of it was the coacing staff KNOWING Quinn wouldn't throw it deep, so they just called the scripted short stuff anyway. I do know that BQ looked NOTHING like a QB last night and that DA isn't going to be an improvement either.
That being said, I was thinking the other day ... we've had two pro-bowl QB's (Garcia and DA), two first round draft picks (Couch and BQ) and one Super Bowl winner (Dilfer) ... and all of them have fallen apart here. They showed that one segment where Jaws was getting boo'ed unmercifully by Philly fans his first year, and Vermeil stuck with him. They won the SB a few years later. I'm not saying that BQ or DA is going to be the answer for us, but I don't think we should be jumping on them completely either.
We have mass problems all over the place with our offense.
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Did anyone notice what Grudden was saying? During the game he was saying Quinn is good he scouted him. The team needs to get behind him and be supportive. At the end of the game he was saying it looks like Cleveland needs to draft a QB. 
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You can take 90% of this team and insert them in this thread title!!
____ isn't an NFL _____.
You can fill in the blanks as you wish.
okay.. so now I am even more depressed..
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He is given the option of a checkdown and throw deep
What game did you watch?
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Has nothing to do with being inaccurate and lacking confidence.
Just curious, how much confidence does it take to have a 1-7 team take shots down the field when down 16.
That is not confidence or lack of confidence, that is utter stupidity. This coaching staff outside of Ryan has no idea what the hell they are doing.
Bam! You nailed it. Sometimes the answer is really simple.
We will never win the Super Bowl until Lerner sells the team.
"Perfect owner" my *&^%
Put 70 pounds on Brady and have him earn his salary by playing Guard.
Barry Bonds Check
Roger Clemens Check
Mark McGuire Check
Lance Armstrong Check
71-79 Steelers Taboo
(Lets pretend it didn't happen.)
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He is given the option of a checkdown and throw deep
What game did you watch?
It wasn't the same game I watched. At one point I heard jaws and Gruden both say that they hadn't seen a WR run a route past 5 yards all game. They said that in the second half.
How does anyone know if Quinn can make the plays down field if they are never called? How can we find out if the WR can make a play if they are never given the chance?
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I am not going to defend Quinn. However, there is simply no excuse for the product on the field, the design, and the execution of this so called offensive scheme. Even with the lack of talent and experience you should be able to produce more yards on offense.
This was a bye week against a team that has struggled against the pass. Every attempt to throw the ball down field was in a predictable down and distance situation which put Quinn in the cross hairs. How many times on first and ten did they run Lewis or Jennings?
You can point fingers in any direction. However, with the business model of the NFL parody and eight wins is a C grade. The draft, free agency, and the cap levels the playing field.
To field a team like the Browns, to game plan a division opponent after a bye week, to call and execute plays like I witnessed last night is inexcusable for a NFL professional team.
There is no rock to crawl under to hide from the light. If you did nothing but run the ball on every play you should be able to produce more yards on offense. If you ran just the wildcat you could get into at least a position to attempt a field goal.
It seems inconceivable that with the draft and free agency that a team could look so inept on offense.
There is no way Mangini and this staff ( maybe Ryan) survives. This is no knee jerk reaction but I would fire Mangini and Daboll today and make due with the rest of this season.
Randy Lerner's on the job training has cost him bunches of money. Until the right management team is in place there is no hope. You may as well start the process now by putting Ryan in as a interim coach. Why wait the "New Sheriff" will not retain Mangini.
Mangini with the sole responsibility of HC maybe ok but given how this process started and where it is now he has to go.
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Some of these posts have been pretty irritating and for the most part just baffling..
For anyone on this board to talk like they know whether Quinn is an NFL QB or not is just absolutely ridiculous. No person on this board has any idea about what is seen at practice, what happens within the organization, and what the offense really is trying to do. There are no NFL coaches on this board or anyone that really has enough knowledge to truthfully and honestly give an assessment of this team (saying you have coaching experience in high school or college doesnt cut it). These organizations are so complex now that its just a different world. There are no experts here which is why we rely on the media. People will believe whatever they here then take is as their own opinion and have no gripes about it.
This team has NO playmakers on offense. Zero. Zip. Nadda. We don't scare anyone on offense and teams are able to just lock down with ease upon us. We have 2 rookies and a kick returner running around at reciever. How the hell do you expect Quinn to deliver the ball to that joke when he also has to deal with poor line play. Back to having no playmakers. We have no running back legitimate enough to make the defense to really pay attention to the running game.
It would be idiotic to say that Quinn has really a chance to succeed because of what he has around him. Every good QB has help around him. Tom Brady has Moss and Welker, Peyton Manning has Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark, Roethlisberger has Holmes and Ward, Brees has Colston Bush and Shockey... SEE A PATTERN HERE!??
What I'm trying to say about all this is that we just don't know what caliber of Quarterback Quinn is. And we wont until we put some talent around him.
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Quinn, Anderson, Mannning, Brady, Graham, Unitas, Montana . . . and the list goes on. I just can't believe the results would be much better regardless of who's taking the snaps.
Is the play calling (short drops, quick slants, and bubble screens) due to lack of faith in the QB? Lack of faith in the OL, lack of faith in the WR? How can it not be all of the above? And that's not a defense of the playcalling, because it sucks as well.
Every time we had a first down last night (which was usually after a punt or defensive score since we didn't earn many ourselves) I was screaming for a play action pass and at least an attempt in the 20-25 yard range. It's obvious; however, that no QB would have had time to drop back 5 steps, let the route develop and release the pass before getting killed. One of the times the Ravens rushed 3, FREAKING 3, guys and Steinbach does an ole move as the QB gets sacked in like 3 seconds.
There is enough blame to go around, but to me it points to the guy who assembled this team. How you could downgrade the talent on a 4 win team this much is beyond me, but it's been done. In the long run, I don't have a problem with Edwards and Winslow being gone (maybe addition by subraction in Edwards case and potential knee giving out for Winslow), but we had nothing in the wings that is even adequate as a replacement. It's like when Belichick released Kosar to go with Testaverde. The problem was that Testaverde was injured and a 5-3 team was turned over to Todd Philcox.
I think Mangini was so into putting HIS stamp on this team that he jettisoned players simply for the sake of jettisoning them. My dad, who is as old school as the day is long (a good thing, in my opinion) said that a solid coach would have been able to handle Edwards. Hell, he didn't even try to handle Winslow.
I know that Savage and Crennel brought in some of the players who are here now, but this roster has been gutted by Mangini. I also know that it was likely done in an effort to build it back up thorugh the multiple draft choices and FA money that has been freed up, but he didn't have to leave the roster full of practice squad players as starters.
I know I've never been this disgusted as a Browns fan in my entire life. I'll never give up hope or root for a different team, but this organization HAS to right guy to run things. I'll be shocked if that person keeps the guy who created this mess. I know I wouldn't. Get the RIGHT people in here and let them do what needs to be done. Mangini is not the right guy, IMO, and to keep him is to take more steps backward (if that's even humanly possible.)
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Hey guys. First time poster, long time reader.
Just my thoughts on BQ and the game last night.
The playcalling was suspect, but I truly believe he is limited in what he can call. I think Daboll was trying to play to Quinn's strengths with a short, quick passing game. Problem is, the Ravens knew that and played the whole game inside ten yards of the line of scrimmage.
Perfect example of Quinn's problems was a pass late in the third quarter (maybe early fourth) they called a 15 yard dig. Quinn reached back and threw it about ten yards high, literally. When he has to put anything on the ball it sails on him. If you can't throw a 15 yard dig, or a 15 yard out, you can't make it in this league.
The deep ball in the NFL in my opinion has nothing to do with arm strength. Thats just putting some air under the ball and letting your guy run under it. When you talk arm strength your talkin that deep out pattern, or your guy coming back across the middle on a deep in. When Brady tries to put a little extra to make these types of throws the ball sails 5-10 feet high.
JMO. And this team has a lot of problems, not just the quarterback. I just look at the throws he makes when he has time, and the receiver is open, and the ball isn't close. I just don't see how better talent around him will magically make him a more accurate QB.
I just hope they don't feel the need to draft a QB high in this years draft. Please, please follow what Pittsburgh and Baltimore did. Build the rest of the team while some bum gets killed playing QB for us, and draft our QB of the future after the rest of the team is in place, so the guy at least has a shot.
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I'd much rather watch DA play for the Browns for the rest of the season than watch BQ out there. At least it feels like we have a real drive here or there with DA. BQ you know you'll get a couple check downs and a punt everytime...
Bird, with all due respect to your gut feelings... I broke down each QBs drive charts and I picked drives of over 25 yards and over 50 yards, I counted scoring drives and I counted 3 and outs...
BQ has had 42 possessions, DA has had 72
BQ has had 9 drives of 25+ yards (21.5%), DA has had 12 (16.6%)
BQ has had 3 drives of 50+ yards (7.1%), DA has had 6 (8.3%)
BQ has had 5 scoring drives (11.9%), DA has had 10 (13.8%)
BQ has had 19 drives of 3 plays or less (45.2%), DA has had 31 (43.1%)
BQ has picked up 43 first downs (1.02 per possession), DA has picked up 71 (.99 per possession)
So your "feeling" is based largely on about a 1% difference here or there...
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So your saying it doesn't matter which one of these guys is playing QB. The team sucks either way. Thanks got it 
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It would be idiotic to say that Quinn has really a chance to succeed because of what he has around him. Every good QB has help around him. Tom Brady has Moss and Welker, Peyton Manning has Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark, Roethlisberger has Holmes and Ward, Brees has Colston Bush and Shockey... SEE A PATTERN HERE!??
Ok, heres the thing, Brady was good before he had any of those receivers, they just got explosive with them. Brees was good before he had any of those receivers, he just got explosive with them.
Even if Manning had receivers with no hands at all, just stumps, he would hit them in stride in the stump.
The difference is, Quinn is not putting his receivers in a position to be able to do anything. He isnt hitting them in stride, he isnt hitting them in that small window where only they can get it. Manning, Brady, Brees all make their receivers better. All 3 of them put the ball exactly where it needs to be.
Other than Wayne, Manning is throwing to a bunch of nobodies. And the Saints receivers would not look the same on any other team. Moss and Welker are pretty good, but what was Moss doing in Oakland ?
The QB makes the receivers, not the other way around. Receivers can bail out a QB for a time, but not over the long haul.
Quinn can be evaluated solely on what he does, the decisions he makes, and where he puts the ball.
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Just watched the game, Brady did what he could do with the plays that were called, and when he did drop back balt. was in his face. a test will happen when he is NOT playing against one of the better defenses in the league. Which in case alot of haters haven't noticed. . .that's all he has played against this year.
I"m excited about jennings. he runs hard. the D held a good Offense down, but our line sucks, esspecially the RT, no matter who we put there.
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He always has the option to throw the ball down the field
Bullcrap. We ran more bubble screens and quick slants by design than I've ever seen... He had maybe 6 or 7 plays with a legit downfield option and on most of those he was running for his life.. it IS the playcalling, it is the execution (or lack thereof).. and it's all 11 guys. This offense if absolutely awful from the top down....
I agree. For those of you that say Quinn is too much of a dink and dunk passer. I was at the game and Quinn didnt have the option to throw down field on so many plays. The only time Daboll would call for WRs to go downfield was on 3rd down and he didnt have any time. Quinn was sacked before the WRs even broke their routes to even look for the ball. You dont get a chance to see on TV that when Quinn in dinking and dunking that there is no downfield routes. When there is, there are no routes running to where the blitz is coming from.
HORRIBLE PLAYCALLING GETS MY VOTE. I agree with Jaws, who has played and studies the NFL for years, when he says Quinn has the tools and that no QB can be successful in this boring system. Im not even going to argue the point because I see what I see on the field and seeing NFL QBs like Jaws and Dilfer agree nobody is going to change my mind. Daboll has even admitted that he has to call a differant game for both QBs. he dont call the same plays for Quinn that he does for DA. Quinn cant throw downfield when the routes arent going downfield. I havnt watched the taped game yet but there is no way the cameras can catch all the WRs in one play. Every quick pass, all the targets were running short, quick, routes. If Quinn is throwing to the target at the line, thats what they play calls for. I guess some dont see the other targets blocking for the short route in hopes that one broken tackle is a TD. The Browns dont have the playmakers to open it up for anyone or to make a play on their own and break that one tackle.
Watching the game from the stands made me think Daboll has no faith in Quinn to go down field because the calls werent there for that to happen much at all as they were with DA.
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Even if you completely discount the deep ball thing, lets just say for the sake of argument that a deep ball doesnt even exist. Quinn is horrible on the short stuff. No touch at all. No accuracy. To jumpy. Royal had balls bounce off him, Furrey had balls bounce off him. Just hitting your receiver with the ball does not mean it was accurate. He side armed one right into a D lineman instead of lobbing it over him. And what the hell was the pass he threw right into the sideline. Completely missed Stucky I think on a 2nd and 4 wide open for 3 yards.
Quinn isnt even very good at the short stuff wich is supposedly his strength. Jaws schmaws, we as fans see more of, and know alot more about our players than national analysts who have to cover the entire league. We have a more complete base of knowledge on our players than the national media does. And that includedes former players,coaches,whatever.
Dont buy into the mystique. Beleive your eyes.
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at this point, i think we've all accepted that quinn is not who he was advertised to be, entering the draft.
telling myself to forget teh whole qb deadbates and putting aside personal agendas as to who is right and who is wrong, i'm viewing quinn with a clean slate. last night was his first chance to simply show what type of game he has and what type of improvements he's made after seeing what did not work for him in games,
he made a couple plays (there were some quick throws with blitz coming that were positive plays) and he made some terrible ones. the question is has he shown that he's worth putting the franchise behind, even for just another season? my answer is no.
whether he had a lot of options to go downfield, if you cannot complete a pass over 10 yards, that's on the qb. when you hit your rb on the ass, make your run-blocking te attempt a circus catch, or flat out throw 10 feet above your wr, that's on the qb. further, the happy feet have not gone away. the time off didn't settle him down.
finally, and it seems people are starting to get this judging from the what i saw thread, even though a few of us pointed this out as early as the firist couple weeks in the season, quinn does not have the support of our offense. it's clear many of our teammates just don't like him. face it, we don't know much about quinn, the person, other than he's not stupid enough to not be PC (other than a few posters here who say they've been around him). when quinn was talking to furrey, furrey just kept walking, didn't turn around, quinn kept talking, then you see on his face the reaction to realizing he was being ignored and you can tell it wasn't the first time (in fact, it happened on the sidelines before he was benched too).
when was the last time you saw a qb lost his offense in this manner? or show that there's the possibility of him being strongly disliked by the team? i've never seen it before and for that reason, he's most likely done with our team. a qb who can't necessarily throw well, doesn't have strong pocket presense, who might be strongly disliked by his teammates...that does not merit more time past this season. hope he proves me wrong in the coming games but i don't think he will.
that's not even talking about how ineffective hte no-huddle is for us because, even though we don't "huddle," we still take the same amount of time before the snap as if we did. that's not all on quinn, which is why it's not a main point, though.
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I dont have any agendas either. I didnt like the Quinn pick in the first place and I didnt like DAs re-signing and was hoping another team signed him to get the additional picks. But when they both got here, I wished for the best. I guess I should wait until all my candles are blown out before I make a wish 
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sorry, when i said that i removed my agenda, i didn't mean to imply that you or others did. simply, i was acknowledging that i was very active in the qb deadbates and i was simply removing my pre-conceptions of quinn so i could better evaluate quinn with no bias. unfortunately, after last night's game, they all came back. i support the general notion, that we just get rid of both, sign best available free agent and/or trade for someone's 2nd or even 3rd stringer. play them for a season or two while we build the team so even an idiot could shine. on another note, did you guys know the raiders might be starting frye 
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the Raiders are playing Gradkowski, so I'm not surprised they are considering bringing back Frye (who was their 4th QB over the summer).
as bad as our QB situation is....the Raiders is worse. I'd take either of our QBs over Gradkowski and thankfully all 3 of them combined don't cost as much as JaMarcus Russell.
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no, frye is still on the team and might be starting this weekend. grad has a hamstring injury apparently but you're right, i'd never want any of that russell action. thank goodness.at least if quinn falters, we don't lose that much.
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