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Okay Master of the Rolly Eyes ...
*What do you think Quinn's strengths and weaknesses are at this time?
*Do you believe that his weaknesses have anything to do with how many games he gas played up to this point in his career?
*If so, how do you feel the lack of experience fosters those weaknesses i.e., how will experience overcome them?
Discuss. I am all ears and open to having my mind changed.
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To be a starter you have to do that against the good teams, and under pressure.
And to win against good teams, you need to surround your QB with quality players...
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I and others, have said it for years. It ALL starts upfront. You could take an a good QB and RB, put them behind a great o-line and the would become good/great QB and RB. Everone in the league recognizes the our line is weak, including our left side. J. Thomas is a great pass protector, very few OT have handled Jared Allen, Thomas blanked him, BUT he never has been noted as a road grader. He is average when it comes to run blocking. Same can be said for Stienbach and even his pass blocking appears to be slacking this year. Center, well he is a rookie, given time I think he will be our best all around lineman. Not many centers with his size/ weight/athleticism. Our right side needs no explanation as to why I feel it is weak, both/all 3 are backups on most teams.
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I think what Quinn showed me is that when given the time he can make all the throws that many on here claimed he couldn't.
It's not a question of "not" being able to make the throws. Any QB whose ever signed an NFL contract can make those throws.
What Quinn has failed to do is make those throws consistently and one game doesn't disprove anything. So let's not draw a black-and-white picture or draw straight lines in the sand. When Quinn can make all the throws game-after-game, then he'll have disproved people like me, and not one second before.
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Agreed. I'm not saying after this game Quinn is great. I just got sick of seeing that he can't throw over 5 yards. That has been posted several times on here until it became known as fact.
This game proved it isn't a fact. My concern with him has been accuracy. I still saw some of that problem but he also threw some very nice balls as well.
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The problem is any backup 3rd string QB who has made it into the NFL can do the very same thing under those circumstances. To be a starter you have to do that against the good teams, and under pressure.
Quinn was picking himself up off the turf fairly regularly from what I remember... he was under a fair amount of pressure. And Quinn's numbers against the Lions were about as good as anybody that they have played, including Big Ben, Favre, Rogers, etc... and all of them had better running games...
And to do this against good teams you have to have quality help. How much of that he has is seriously debatable.. Every QBs numbers go down when they are under pressure...
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What everyone seems to forget is we fell apart offensively in the second half of this game. Quinn essentially had one good quarter.
Quinns other 3 quarters were 16/22 for 153 yards and a TD ... for a passer rating of 106... with no turnovers... and 15 first downs... which is about 5 more than we've been averaging per entire game... we had a 69 yard FG drive, a 39 yard drive that stalled, and a 14 play, 79 yard touchdown drive after we were behind to retake the lead... what the heck do you want?
Those 3 quarters, even without the first quarter, would still rank as the best "game" we've seen all year out of the QB position.
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I just got sick of seeing that he can't throw over 5 yards.
Why?  Not only do I completely discount anyone who would say such a thing, I'd even further discount the people that buy into it. So why let your blood get boiling over that noise? *L*
I look at it like this.................who's the bigger idiot: the dolt that jumps off a cliff, or the bigger dolt that buys into it and decides to jump as well? 
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BQ played good yesterday. Yes, it was against Detroit. But, he actually had time in the pocket, and found open receivers and hit them in stride.
The should-have-been TD pass to Jennings is the types of throws that big time QB's make.
Consider me cautiously optimistic regarding BQ. I've said all along (even after the Minnesota, Denver, Balitmore games), that if BQ has time in the pocket, and receivers have time to get open downfield that he can be successful.
I'm not crowning him as the savior or anything, but I don't think he's NEAR as bad as what he looked in those first 4 games he played in.
I can't remember where I saw it, but some experts were breaking down Brady Quinn, and they were showing how a lot of the time, he didn't even have time to plant his back foot to throw on a 3-step drop before a D-Lineman was in his face.
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The problem is any backup 3rd string QB who has made it into the NFL can do the very same thing under those circumstances. To be a starter you have to do that against the good teams, and under pressure.
Quinn was picking himself up off the turf fairly regularly from what I remember... he was under a fair amount of pressure. And Quinn's numbers against the Lions were about as good as anybody that they have played, including Big Ben, Favre, Rogers, etc... and all of them had better running games...
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What everyone seems to forget is we fell apart offensively in the second half of this game. Quinn essentially had one good quarter.
Quinns other 3 quarters were 16/22 for 153 yards and a TD ... for a passer rating of 106... with no turnovers... and 15 first downs... which is about 5 more than we've been averaging per entire game... we had a 69 yard FG drive, a 39 yard drive that stalled, and a 14 play, 79 yard touchdown drive after we were behind to retake the lead... what the heck do you want?
Those 3 quarters, even without the first quarter, would still rank as the best "game" we've seen all year out of the QB position.
Correctamundo!!! At the beginning of the season, I wanted DA to start. He didn't. Quinn was bad in his time. I don't care about the defenses he was up against.
Yesterday, Quinn was good. I don't care about the D he was up against. Points were put on the board.
And yes, our d wasn't there, and we lost. I don't put it on quinn. I thought his accuracy yesterday was much better than it had been. Room for improvement, no doubt, but show me a qb that doesn't have that room.
Again, I did not watch "the game", I was watching espn's RedZone Channel - so obviously I saw the highlights. I can only base anything I say from that, and his end of game stats.
It's s start. maybe this will give him some confidence going forward.
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I need to see him do it every week from here on out. By this amount of time in the league, QB's need to be totally ready to play well.
toad...so you judge Quinn based on him being in the NFL 3 yrs, even though he only made 8 passes as a rookie?
But that is one of experience in your book, right?
toad...Let's see...2007 was such a long time ago, maybe you're having trouble remembering what Quinn's rookie year was like???
...."if" you remember correctly, Quinn's agent decided it was in Quinn's best interest to hold out his rookie year. Quinn's agent held out 11 days and Quinn missed 16 practices.
Quinn never caught up after that and Frye was traded after the first game and Anderson stepped in and had a pro-bowl season.
Toad...did I mention, Quinn only threw 8 passes his rookie year?
Toad...2008 was such a long time ago, maybe you can't remember what Quinn's 2nd year in the NFL was like???
....Anderson started the first 8 games of the 2008 season before Quinn saw the field as a starter Nov 6th, against the Broncos. I recapped Quinn's stats in this game, earlier in this thread...just scroll back to see that Quinn had an outstanding game, in his first regular season start as an NFL QB, against the Broncos.
In the 1st qtr of Quinn's second start against the Bills, Quinn fractures the index finger on his throwing hand. He stayed in the game but was not effective, going 14 of 36 with a QB rating of 55.9. The Browns did win the game though.
Quinn started the next game with a splint on his right hand and went 8 for 18 and was replaced by Anderson. Quinn opted for surgery and didn't start another game in 2008.
toad...so I just recapped 2 of the 3 seasons of experience you claim Quinn has. But in reality, Quinn had one start in his first two years when he was 100% healthy.
As was pointed out by another "old timer" on this board...Quinn needs reps, reps, reps and he needs all his support units to playing well also, IMO.
In the remaining games, Quinn will look good at times and sometimes, maybe not so good. I do not expect miracles given the experience and performance of the support players surrounding Quinn.
If Quinn starts the remainder of the season, he will have 15 total starts in his "3" years in the NFL.
toad...Just to be factual and accurate...3 yrs in the NFL does not necessarily equal 3 yrs of playing experience in the NFL, does it?
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I need to see him do it every week from here on out. By this amount of time in the league, QB's need to be totally ready to play well.
Then prepare to be disappointed. If you expect him to play like that against Cincy, Pittsburgh, San Diego... then you are a fool.... or perhaps what I should say is that if you are saying that if he doesn't play like he did this week, every week, then he is a failure, then just judge him a failure now and get it over with and stop pretending like you hold out some hope otherwise. Because you and I know that he can't, he won't... not with this cast.. even if it is in HIM to do it, he has no chance.
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At this point I feel the same way about Quinn I felt about DA a couple of years ago when I thought he was getting unfairly criticized. I don't think we have seen enough of him yet to make an accurate decision as to what he is.Now I've seen plenty of DA and we know what we have there. (Although I still think he isn't as bad as many make him out to be) I saw some things I really liked yesterday and some others that he needs to work on.
I guess I'm not sold on what we have but I feel the need to defend because some are so overly critical that I wonder if they are even watching the games or if they just hate the guy to hate.
At the same time I felt some were giving him far too much praise last season without ever even seeing what he could do.
Yesterday we saw some very good plays. In the past I've seen him rush his throws when pressured but yesterday late in the game I saw him drop back and let the defense rush before dumping it off to the back for a big gain. That is an example of improvement. I saw a lot of good things yesterday and if he continues to improve on the things that he needs to I think we'll be alright at the position.
I guess I'm tired of looking for the right QB. I'm hoping we have him and he just needs time to develop.
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I think what this game showed us is that things are going alot better for a QB when he is playing a team of similar talent level. If we up the talent level of the supporting casts on both sides of the ball with some playmakers and solid depth we could at least facilitate a chance of a situation to succeed in.
I'm not sure about BQ. In fact I'm skeptical of his abilities at this point because of accuracy issues from time to time. But before we make too definite judgments about the QB's on this team we need to realize that we are not doing SQUAT with the offensive supporting cast right now.
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so you judge Quinn based on him being in the NFL 3 yrs, even though he only made 8 passes as a rookie?
But that is one of experience in your book, right?
Ask Carson Palmer and Philip Rivers how that worked out for them when they didn't throw a SINGLE pass their rookie years.................and Palmer only started ONE year at USC.
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2007 was such a long time ago, maybe you're having trouble remembering what Quinn's rookie year was like???
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No no............  Not playing that game. I'm not gonna get suckered into that swirling bowl of toilet water that leads down, down, down to oblivion that's called "breaking down each play of each quarter of each game."
Your point is that it matters. Mine is that it doesn't. He has to be ready to do what he did on Sunday EVERYDAY. He isn't some 6th rounder who's been stuck on 3rd string running the scout team.
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In the remaining games, Quinn will look good at times and sometimes, maybe not so good. I do not expect miracles given the experience and performance of the support players surrounding Quinn.
At least we have that in common.  He won't have the opportunities he had against the Lions again this year, so to expect "miracles" is dumb. But I DO expect Quinn to perform like Campbell did on Sunday. He faced every blitz and found the right receivers and made the right calls, even though he was BADLY outmatched.
I expect Quinn to answer the questions that have hung over him since his college days, and that won't be done by playing the Lions, just as Stafford didn't answer his questions by playing the Browns.
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toad...Just to be factual and accurate...3 yrs in the NFL does not necessarily equal 3 yrs of playing experience in the NFL, does it?
No, but just to be "factual and accurate" Rivers and Palmer didn't need 48 starts as an excuse for poor decisions and poor throws.
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toad...Just to be factual and accurate...3 yrs in the NFL does not necessarily equal 3 yrs of playing experience in the NFL, does it?
Let's see here......when Anderson was playing, folks counted his time on the ravens practice squad as a "year of experience". But it's different for Quinn?
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toad...Just to be factual and accurate...3 yrs in the NFL does not necessarily equal 3 yrs of playing experience in the NFL, does it?
Let's see here......when Anderson was playing, folks counted his time on the ravens practice squad as a "year of experience". But it's different for Quinn?
Good Point, but Anderson has had A LOT more opportunities then Quinn so far in their careers.
Even with a supporting cast, Anderson started to stall out towards the end of the season, causing the Browns to miss the playoffs.
Now, Quinn has not had the chance to play in even remotely the same environment and supporting cast. Do not give the BS of 2008, as Injuries played a HUGE part of that, and a non performing BE had a part in that compared to BE (2007).
Quinn deserves a chance with a supporting cast. It's bad when TV Experts even say that NO QB could preform well on this team. Then again, we fans are better experts then most NFL Experts.
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j/c I think what a lot of people are overlooking is what we "old timers" call growing pains. Some young QB's come out with guns a blazin', look great then tail off. Some have poor starts and develop over time. You can't throw a kid in a game here, two starts there and so on, then expect rythym and chemistry to happen. We saw signs Sunday that it's beginning to happen. Nothing more or nothing less. You have to give any young QB enough consecutive starts to see what he's got. In todays "instant gratification society" we must remember that not everything works that way. You don't cut down an apple tree before it bares fruit then swear the apples were no good. Hopefully some will comprehend that analogy. lol
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Let's see here......when Anderson was playing, folks counted his time on the ravens practice squad as a "year of experience". But it's different for Quinn?
If you want to be "fair", give Quinn as many consecutive starts as DA and let's see what we've got. Sound fair to you?
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Just to be factual and accurate...3 yrs in the NFL does not necessarily equal 3 yrs of playing experience in the NFL, does it?
I can't believe you left out going through two different regimes/offenses since he's been here.
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Let's see here......when Anderson was playing, folks counted his time on the ravens practice squad as a "year of experience". But it's different for Quinn?
If you want to be "fair", give Quinn as many consecutive starts as DA and let's see what we've got. Sound fair to you?
Yes.
Don't read too much into what I said. I've seen enough of Anderson. I am officially on the "give Quinn more time" bandwagon. Like, the rest of the year.
Until sunday we'd seen nothing out of Quinn. I don't care if it was the lions - we finally saw something out of him. Does he have room for improvement? Heck yeah.
My reply was more to mac - I wonder if Brady isn't his son or something.........and I stand by what I said - if he can count DA's year on the practice squad as a year of pro experience, then he should also count Quinn's first year on the TEAM as a year of experience.
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Fair enough. But I think we both agree that to develop any chemistry and timing with your O you have to give anybody some time to see how things gel. And much like you, I'm glad we at least saw a glimpse of something positive from uour O "players".
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But I think we both agree that to develop any chemistry and timing with your O you have to give anybody some time to see how things gel.
And much like you, I'm glad we at least saw a glimpse of something positive from uour O "players".
I was at my sis in laws. No guns, no jersey.....just went to watch. (blacked out here, then found out the direct tv nfl ticket was blacked out as well, so we watched the redzone channel)
They didn't update fast enough in the first quarter.........holy cow. Points galore!
And again, I don't care if it was against Detroit. There was/is something positive to take from this game. Hopefully the Browns can build on it.
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I love the fact also everyone on here throws around the fact it takes wr.'s 3 yrs. to develop but won't give Quinn a full season under center to see what we have.
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J/C... haven`t seen these articles posted....But it looks like he gave it some effort.. Quinn, Browns get off to record start Zac Jackson, Staff Writer 11.22.2009 DETROIT - The Browns were off and running early on Sunday afternoon. Brady Quinn threw 3 touchdown passes to 3 different receivers in the first quarter as the Browns built a 24-3 lead. The 24 points set a franchise record for points in a first quarter. The first TD was a 59-yarder on first down to Mohamed Massaquoi, the Browns' longest play of the year, that made it 10-3. On the next possession Quinn hit Chansi Stuckey on a pump-and-go for a 40-yard touchdown. Eric Wright's interception and 47-yard return to the 6 set up Quinn to Joshua Cribbs in the back of the endzone to make it 24-3. Rookie Aaron Brown's touchdown run made it 24-10 with 30 seconds left in the quarter....http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=10158 Receivers put up big numbers Matt Florjancic, Contributor to ClevelandBrowns.com 11.22.2009 Th¶ Browns wide receivers were able to test the Lions early on in their last-second 38-37 loss at Ford Field on Sunday afternoon. With his fellow rookie wide receiver Brian Robiskie inactive for Sunday's game, Mohamed Massaquoi carried the banner for the first-year Browns and took it all the way to the end zone on the Browns second possession. After hauling in a diving 24-yard pass along the left sideline on Brady Quinn's first attempt of the game, Massaquoi caught a 10-yard pass on the left side of the field which set up Phil Dawson's 44-yard field goal. On the next possession, Quinn went to Massaquoi over the top of the Lions secondary for a 59-yard touchdown. It was Massaquoi's first career touchdown since being drafted out of the University of Georgia. Quinn was not done throwing the ball down the field in the first quarter. After a challenge negated a 2-yard run from rookie running back Chris Jennings, Quinn found Chansi Stuckey behind the Lions' coverage for a 40-yard touchdown pass. Massaquoi and Stuckey helped the Browns set a franchise record with 24 first quarter points. Massaquoi finished the day with 5 receptions for 115 yards and the 1 touchdown. It was the second 100-yard receiving game of the season for Massaquoi, who gained 148 yards on 8 catches in a 3-point overtime loss to the Bengals in Week Four. Stuckey caught 5 passes for 76 yards in the loss, while Quinn completed 21-of-33 passes for 304 yards, the first time he eclipsed the 300-yard mark in his career. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=10160
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Toad... (doing that is kind of fun... ) Be careful with the Palmer analogies. With as bad as the Bengals traditionally bungle things, they have given him every chance to succeed. And don't get me wrong - I think Palmer is a more skilled QB than Quinn. Some examples... - He had a veteran QB his rookie season who spent a lot of time tutoring him, teaching him how to watch film, learning the offense, etc. - The Bengals have had the same OC since Palmer came into the league. - Included in Palmer's arsenal his first season as starting QB - Rudi Johnson (Pro-Bowl - 1454 Yds, 12 TDs), Chad Johnson (Pro Bowl) and TJ Houshmandzadeh and Kevin Walter - An offensive line that was considered one of the best in the league Quinn would love to have just one of the above lines. Or heck, even the same OC 3 years in a row... Not just Quinn - ANY Browns QB. We have to start giving these guys a chance before we start giving up on them...
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If we want to be fair with the Rivers comparison, he had time with Brees, and a running back named Tomlinson, and an OL that was legitimate.
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Quinn had his veteran QB in Dorsey, and any idiot at the high-school level can watch film.
Now I can go along with a team around them that was talented, but that's about production from the team as a whole, which doesn't involve evaluating a QB based on their own merit.
My bottom line will now and always remain the same with Quinn: He was a longtime starter in college who came into the league as a "ready" QB. By the 3rd year in the league, he shouldn't have been as bad as he was. He should have been better by now.
So we can all argue merits until we're blue in the face, but Quinn can prove things even when the team is outmatched, just like Campbell did yesterday. When Quinn shows that each and every week going forward, I'll consider changing my opinion, but not until then.
I've exhausted this topic. We can revisit this when the season is over.
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Quinn had his veteran QB in Dorsey, and any idiot at the high-school level can watch film.
Now I can go along with a team around them that was talented, but that's about production from the team as a whole, which doesn't involve evaluating a QB based on their own merit.
My bottom line will now and always remain the same with Quinn: He was a longtime starter in college who came into the league as a "ready" QB. By the 3rd year in the league, he shouldn't have been as bad as he was. He should have been better by now.
So we can all argue merits until we're blue in the face, but Quinn can prove things even when the team is outmatched, just like Campbell did yesterday. When Quinn shows that each and every week going forward, I'll consider changing my opinion, but not until then.
I've exhausted this topic. We can revisit this when the season is over.
Campbell managed to lead his team to a two field goal defeat to Dallas yesterday. Is that the output you're looking for in Quinn to be considered successful?
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Ask Carson Palmer and Philip Rivers how that worked out for them when they didn't throw a SINGLE pass their rookie years.................and Palmer only started ONE year at USC.
and then ask Carson palmer, who would you rather have Chad Johnson, Houshmanzadah, Henry, with running games from Rudi Johnson and now Benson vs having first year players in a system named Robiskie, Stuckey, Royal, Massaqoui, Jamal Lewis, and Jennings.
Then ask Rivers would you rather have those Browns players or Sproles, Gates, Vincent Jackson, and LaDanion Tomlinson.
Then ask those 2 QBs, would you rather have your right side of the line or St Clair and Porkchop?
Give Quinn they players around him and he can be an alright QB. He is also a better leader than DA and should have never been taken out to get his reps in the first place.
Ask Peyton Manning what is the most valuable experiance you have learned to be the QB that you are today and he will tell you that playing in the 4th quarters in the 3-13 season was the best experiance that he ever had to play in the NFL.
McNair and Rogers got to sit for 3 years before starting their first games and Quinn hasnt even reached his 4th season. They also had way better teachers than Quinn had.
Yesterdays game was an important game for Browns fans because now we know that the team doesnt need to go for a QB in the 1st two rounds and build a team around him. If the team does go that route then we are going to see Quinn/Couch 3 regardless who that QB is. Whether it be Lockler, Bradford, Lefevour, McCoy, Tebow, Snead, or Pike. Im actually in favor of getting anything we can for DA (Minnesota to learn a full season in the system behind Favre or to replace him and battle Rosenfals) and getting Pike or Lefevour in the latter rounds. Unfortunatley Lefevour will get picked before the Browns 3rd rounder. The way he is playing, I wouldnt doubt if he is a top 3 QB taken.
Give Quinn the players and he will be the QB. To throw for 4 TD and should have been 5 with the players on this team and Daboll as an OC, not to shabby. Imagine if mangini would have just stuck with him in the first place.
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We have our QB in Quinn...
no QB coming out this year is going to do anything anyway...
Build your defense, running game, and o-line... = Success
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I've exhausted this topic. We can revisit this when the season is over.
Or until Quinn has a DA like performance. Your the first one online ready to post when Quinn has a bad game.
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Seriously? Toad makes himself an easy target for many things ... pimping DA is not one of them.
The lengths that people will go to fuel an agenda and pimp their guy on here is mind boggling.
When it comes to the QB situation, Toad has been one of the very few objective folks on here. The guys that can't see things objectively are fawning all over Quinn after yesterday ... the man-crush is in full effect. The ones who view the performance from a harsher perspective get the crap that you're spewing right now.
You know what I wish would happen? I wish they would legalizewd, then distribute it to all of the Browns fans, especially the ones that post here. I think the board would be much more entertaining that way.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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It is just to difficult to evaluate either of the quarterbacks on this team based on all the factors that have been put in place this season. 1. I think we can all agree Mangini handeled the "competition" poorly. 2. A severe lack of support all around them. 3. Terrible play calling. National media have said it themselves, that Manning and Brady would have a hard time succeeding in this offense.
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All I want Quinn to do is make the throws that he is suppose to make as a NFL QB..
No one critiques Brady when he is throwing a wide open pass to Randy Moss.. No one critiques Manning for throwing to a wide open Reggie Wayne...
So why are we hating on Quinn for throwing to a wide open MoMass and Stuckey?
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All I want Quinn to do is make the throws that he is suppose to make as a NFL QB..
No one critiques Brady when he is throwing a wide open pass to Randy Moss.. No one critiques Manning for throwing to a wide open Reggie Wayne...
So why are we hating on Quinn for throwing to a wide open MoMass and Stuckey?
Brady and Manning can hit their players in stride across the middle without missing a step, when Quinn achieves this ability I'm sure everyone will quit questioning him.
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No one critiques Brady when he is throwing a wide open pass to Randy Moss.. No one critiques Manning for throwing to a wide open Reggie Wayne...
I think I said this in one of the DA threads...can we please STOP comparing our QB's to guys like Manning and Brady?
And to answer you...
No one critiques those guys because they've proven they can do it week in and week out. Against elite D's, good D's, bad D's and atrocious D's.
And maybe they'll miss a wide open shot every now and again, but no one dwells on it because they're liable to hit the next one and make everyone forget.
And for Quinn specifically...coming out of college, he was a guy who looked scared and confused against legit defenses, and wilted...and a guy who lit up the service schools.
Thus far in the NFL, he's had two games...both against horrid defenses.
So, yeah, at this juncture, even his successes are going to be analyzed heavily.
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A number of years ago, I thought the Browns would take a QB that was known to be "streaky." The QB would go hot and cold, but he was mobile and when he was on, he was pretty good.
That was McNabb. All QB's miss throws, it happens. McNabb to this day misses his fair share of throws. He moves on to the next play.
I saw another QB that was known for accuracy get benched for inferior OL play and then let go because he could not throw the deep out. That was Brees.
In Chicago, Cutler looks like a very mediocre behind a line that is less than average.
Right now the Browns would not win with Brees or McNabb at QB. It is just not going to happen.
I don't know if Quinn is the future of the franchise. What I do know is that until the OL improves he will not be.
The Browns need to get their QB some help.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
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But with those guys, you could see what they had, even when they were at the mercy of an inferior team.
You mentioned Cutler...I've watched him a lot this year...and, yes, his o-line, WR's and RB's don't do him very many favors...but you can still see him for who he is -- his strengths and weaknesses.
Quinn has never really shown me anything positive when playing good competition...in college or the NFL.
All of the other guys you mentioned, even when they were surrounded by duds, showed promise.
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