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Why would Ozzie leave Baltimore?

He just drated his franchise QB has turned around the offense, and is ready to make another run.

He will go back to Bama after he is done with baltimore.

Just let it go.

Ozzie isn't going to leave Baltimore.

Someone lit their crack pipe, that's all.

I just hope we hire someone soon, so they have a chance to get a GM in place and ready for the draft and our top 3 draft pick.

Rumors are flying that Holmgren will be getting the czar position back in Seattle. I've even read one rumor saying within the week.

Don't we all.

Lerner has easily the most important decision as owner ahead of him. A decision he should have made & knocked out of the park already.

I like the idea of Holmgren talking to Lerner, but I want there to be LOTS of discussions and interviews. This can't be a knee-jerk reaction. It's gotta finally be done RIGHT.

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Zero.........really zero. Betcha poll 10 people and 9 would say not only would Ozzie be the best choice but com' on man, what a PR move to get the fans excited again.

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Yeah,, There is ZERO guarantee that he can fix it..

Fan Polling? Probably 9 out of 10 WOULD have positives to say about Ozzie,, If I were polled, I'd be positive as well... That doesn't Guarantee his success..

Would it get fans excited.. you bet it would.. no question about it.. I'd be excited.. That's for sure..

If he was able to turn it around,, hell, we'd all be excited... We'd name streets after him, we'd name our first born kids after him...

Excited fans don't guarantee success either..

There just isn't any guarantee of success.. and for that reason and a whole bunch of fiscal reasons, you don't give up 20 to 30% of your team ownership..

I know of one example of a team giving up a percentage... Al Lerner literally gave Carman Policy either 5 or 10% of the team in 1998 when he bought the franchise from the NFL.. He paid I think 535 Million for it. Policy, from what I understand, never had to put up any money.. Al loaned him the money and when Policy left,, the loan was forgiven for the ownership.

At least that's the way I remember it being reported back when Policy left.

As for a PR move,,, tell ya what. The only PR I need is wins on Sunday.. That's the only PR that matters.. I want the real thing.... Give me a winner...

I just heard that Lerner hired someone named CoachB as GM/HC.

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I just heard that Lerner hired someone named CoachB as GM/HC.

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Does that mean his son will be the OC and DC?

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I just heard that Lerner hired someone named CoachB as GM/HC.

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OH Goodie,, someone else to Pick on

Have you ever heard of such chaos as what happened here?
Seriously another Bmore transplant .
What the heck happens when they get into Berea??
Is there some dysfunctional cloud that produces insanity and bedlum in that area?
I'm thinking of the ole Star Trek series where a malevolent cloud could make any human or alien's anger come raging to the surface and it keep them alive so it could feed off the rage.. man, thats good stuff..

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Have you ever heard of such chaos as what happened here?

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New Orleans in the early days of the franchise maybe... or Detroit under Millen kinda or maybe anytime in the last 4 years in Oakland..

But even that isn't really the same kinda Chaos as we've seen here.. In all three of those situations, there was a clear leader... for better or worse.

Lerner has tried,,Ya gotta give him that.. He's tried to get good folks in here. And when it was clear they weren't the right guys, he's stepped in, gotten rid of them and tried again. Much as I expect him to continue to do until he gets the right folks in place from the top down.

I can't help thinking that this is an embarrasment for him on a personal level. Which by the way is why I feel he'll do anything to bring it back to life...

New Orleans in the early days of the franchise maybe

The AINTS..the paper sacks..Archie Manning..

Detroit under Millen

Well.Mildew was a joke..and the Faiders with the Emperior..

tampa??

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Detroit under Millen

Well.Mildew was a joke

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It amazes me that he's been hired to do pregame work for NFL games after showing how little he knows about running a team. He was actually asked a few weeks ago what the Browns organization should do to right the ship. If he knew that answer, he'd still be in Detroit.

I hated those jerseys that you couldn't see,,but 0-16..but I don't remember the FO mess that was there.
Pukesburgh in the old days..their FO was a mess..

Hire the Pee Guy. Seems to know what fires need put out. Or Holmgren. Lerner needs to grok this one rightly.

Just throwing this out there... Whats wrong with JIMMY JOHNSON as czar? The guy has a resume at college and Pro football. He would help both our scouting dept and day to day operations.

He would definitely be an interesting pick up...

I think I would be okay with it, if it did happen.. but he isn't looking for any positions is he?

The idea of him just popped into my head. I would like to see Randy call this man!!!!

Another name that a friend of mine mentioned to me is Dan Reeves as the GM. I haven't really had enough time to think about it, but I thought I'd throw his name out to get some opinions.

Toad,

I agree that he's a very solid color man in the booth, and, yes, I'd take any GM job offered to me in the NFL. My point was more about his GM job being a disaster, and then they ask him about GM decisions, how-to questions, etc. when he's on the pregame shows. I guess I didn't make that part clear enough. I just think his credibility on the GM type questions is a bit suspect at this point.

Holmgren would be good fit for Browns
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

If former sideline boss Mike Holmgren is as legitimately interested in the Cleveland Browns' top front-office job as he indicated to a Seattle radio station late last week, the former NFL coach would bring immediate "streetcredulous" status -- a term recently coined by "Pardon the Interruption" co-host Michael Wilbon -- to a franchise rich in tradition but which has bankrupted the essential sense of connection to its fans.

Unlike the often eloquent Wilbon, yours truly is more hackneyed hack than witty wordsmith. And despite Wilbon's insistence that "streetcredulous" is a real-world word, Merriam-Webster has been no help at all in defining it. So our incredible un-hipness aside, we'll venture a somewhat educated guess that it has some reference to street credibility, a commodity in short supply for a franchise harboring the best of intentions but also owning one of the league's worst track records of the past decade.

Holmgren, whose 17-year head coach résumé in Seattle and Green Bay includes 174 victories, a dozen playoff berths, three Super Bowl appearances and one title ring, could restore that sense of faith and bring back the civic pride that once barked from the Dawg Pound. Browns owner Randy Lerner, a second-generation franchise steward but a firsthand fan, and a man who desperately wants to bring a championship to the shores of Lake Erie, could do worse.

He has, in fact, done much worse, and this might be one of Lerner's few remaining opportunities to get it right.

Mike Holmgren, it says here, is the right man for this terribly daunting task. And Lerner should summarily squelch any rumors that Holmgren could return to the Seahawks in some front-office capacity, by hiring him quickly.

His critics will point out right about now that Holmgren failed miserably in his previous incarnation as an NFL general manager. For four seasons, 1999-2002, Holmgren was essentially the football grand poo-bah of the Seattle Seahawks, holding the twin titles of executive vice president and head coach. In short, he was the premier overseer of owner Paul Allen's football fiefdom, a guy who bought the groceries and also cooked the meal, to steal an old Bill Parcells line.

And as a general manager, Holmgren was, well, a very good head coach. During his tenure wearing twin-billed caps, he was 31-34 including playoffs (.477), went to the postseason one time and never notched a playoff victory. Some of the 38 draft choices he exercised were fantastic (guard Steve Hutchinson and tailback Shaun Alexander), but more were flawed (wide receiver Koren Robinson and tight end Jerramy Stevens).

After he was squeezed out of the executive V.P. role in 2003, Holmgren registered a 59-46 mark (.566), won four division championships in six seasons and claimed a wild-card berth, and went to Super Bowl XL.

Just as important, Holmgren discovered that his dream scenario, the dual role of general manager and coach that he publicly longed for in much of his seven seasons in Green Bay, actually was one job too many. It took awhile for Parcells to come to the same conclusion, but when he did, he became a terrific team official, one who could assemble a good, competitive roster while delegating the head-coaching job to someone else entirely.

At age 61, still young enough to accept the kind of challenge the Browns present but old enough to understand that his fingerprints don't have to be on every facet of the Cleveland operation, Holmgren could find the same manner of satisfaction that Parcells has discovered the past couple of seasons in South Florida.

Given the opportunity, the bet is that he will. Imbued with a limitless reservoir of football knowledge, and having learned some of the things you can't do, Holmgren is the man for the job. The path to success in Cleveland is a rocky one to be sure, but Parcells has dropped enough bread crumbs along the way for Holmgren to follow.

The first thing that Lerner must do to steady his leaky ship is define the job and its responsibilities. Does he want a traditional general manager, a team president, an official who combines both? Does the rebuilding job command a traditional "football guy" or a salary-cap manager who pays more attention to the bottom line than to the finish line of the 40-yard dash? Will the front-office person Lerner eventually tabs make the final decision about whether current coach Eric Mangini comes back in 2010? Just how much clout does Lerner, hardly a meddlesome guy but one who's got to be weary of starting over every few seasons, cede to the new guy?

Depending on the job description, there are plenty of potential candidates. People talk often about how many high-profile coaches are presently available. But the list of football management types is nearly as impressive, even if their résumés don't include a bushel full of Super Bowl titles. Among the unemployed, the list includes (but is hardly limited to) men such as Ron Wolf, Bruce Allen, Tom Donahoe, Billy Kuharich, Ted Sundquist, Michael Lombardi and Charley Casserly. There are "consultant" types such as Marv Levy, Ernie Accorsi, Jay Zygmunt, Carl Peterson or even Tony Dungy.

A source close to Holmgren noted this week that the former coach tried and failed to do everything himself, and that he would delegate many of the responsibilities. "Sometimes," said the source, "you've got to know what you don't know, and let someone else do it for you. [Holmgren] is at that point." For scouting, he could rely on Green Bay personnel experts such as Reggie McKenzie or Shaun Herock. Need a cap guy? If he can tear himself away from his writing duties at the National Football Post, Andy Brandt is one of the best. A new head coach possibly? There are, as noted, a ton of options.

After a year of respite, Holmgren seems to relish the potential for a comeback, and what better place than Cleveland, an NFL precinct with oodles of tradition and a place that the league desperately needs to be successful. The bet here is that Holmgren can reverse the Browns' fortunes and, if he does, he really might be streetcredulous.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

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LOL Kinda nice to hear someone else spouting the same things I've been saying for about a week or so now..

I sure hope we end up with Holmgren....

We need to back the cash truck up to his door. He needs to get into Berea as soon as possible so he can start righting this ship.

Nice read. It's good to know that someone in the media outside of Cleveland actually realizes that the Browns are tradition rich and to restore that is a positive challenge, not something to be afraid of.

I really hope Lerner has already make contact with Holmgren. There's no reason to not start interviewing (if he hasn't already). The best part is, he could fulfill all Rooney rule requirements and still hire a top notch czar (hopefully Holmgren) without waiting on teams to exit the playoffs because so many of these guys are currently unemployed.

I'm of the opinion here that while we don't want to rush into things, a la Mangini, if we snooze, we lose!

It's nice to see that somebody can write a artical based on facts and not have to lower themselves to taking another cheap shot at our Browns. Yes we know were bad, we know that we see that we watch that, but thier our Browns, it's like having a brother, I can call him names & fight with him, but dont you try or I'll come after you.

I believe we see Holgram after the season, to bring him on now would just bring more media frenzie on Mangini's future and MH dosent wanna say one way or another yet and for a active coach what does that do for the team the rest of the way. I think we see Holgram signed & working the day after the regular season is over.

Mike Holmgren, it says here, is the right man for this terribly daunting task. And Lerner should summarily squelch any rumors that Holmgren could return to the Seahawks in some front-office capacity, by hiring him quickly.


I'm not going to debate warts any of these guys have yet but this is the one thing that is ..not right..how ya supposed to make the guy ink his sig in Berea if he doesn't want to yet..or ever?
If he wants the Seattle job ,if he doesn't want to move ..he will hold out until it's offered..

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how ya supposed to make the guy ink his sig in Berea if he doesn't want to yet

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thats easy....you keep uping the salary until his wife tells him he's going

Just clicking

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...-coaching-job/1

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NFL.com: Mike Holmgren declines to consider Bills' coaching job
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4 Recommend Add ex-Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren to the list of prominent head coaching candidates who have spurned the Buffalo Bills.

NFL.com reported that Holmgren declined an offer to consider the Bills' job. The coach who won Super Bowl XXXI with the Packers would rather focus on front-office jobs, the site reported.

Ex-Steelers coach Bill Cowher already declined an option to meet with the Bills. And ex-Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer said Tuesday he was surprised to hear his name linked to the Bills and doesn't expect to return to coaching.

The Bills are expected to meet with ex-Broncos coach Mike Shanahan this week. The team fired Dick Jauron on Nov. 17. -- Sean Leahy

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On TV they reported this and added that Holmgren is interested in the Browns Job...

there goes speculation he was using the Browns to get the Seahawks GM job......if he was truly just interested in leverage, he would meet with both teams (more demand, same supply = higher price / more leverage)

Said it 3 or 4 times so far..if. you. want. him. go. get. him!!!!

If Lerner is comfortable with Holmgren go get it done! It immediately starts
positive press for your club! FA's eyebrows raise, nearly all negatives cease!

This team needs a splash like that! Again, it may not work, there may be competant lesser guys out there but a Mike Holmgren hire changes every dynamic of the Cleveland Browns nearly instanly!

Well if he wants it..let him have it..just not the GM job.

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If Lerner is comfortable with Holmgren go get it done!

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Then he will be criticized on here for not interviewing enough people.