DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Holmgren would be happy to interview for Browns Job

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Just because I'm for Holmgren doesn't mean I'm going to automatically approve of who he brings in.

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Oh thank goodness,,, I'm so glad you don't have to approve.. i was worried sick about this.. WOW,, I feels so much better.. I'll sleep soundly tonight.. Whew



Toadmiester,, Just having some fun with ya... hope you take it that way..

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You will kneel before me and kiss the ring of ZOD!

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the hell you say

" Lex Luther...ruler of Australia..that has a ring to it..."

" kneel before Zod. out standing flashback to a classic moment.

Pictures of Rod and Zod....

Pure Football my ass.

No wonder these threads get so long.

It's not about a little bit of humor. It's about a gang of posts that goes away from the topic of the discussion that has the same effect as throwing water all over people who are in the midst of a conversation.

I've been guilty of it myself before and a little too often lately in the name of having a little fun. But when you are involved in a meaningful discussion and I interject some of my fun and it runs away and dilutes your conversation then that is getting far away from the spirit and topic of the thread, which is supposed to be about football, which is why we are here.

Back on topic, Holmgren looks more and more like he's lining up to be our Czar which couldn't please me more.

I'd rather see a little humor than whining about it, but that's just me.

Anyway, why do you see it more like Holmgren is headed here?

"Anyway, why do you see it more like Holmgren is headed here?"

More so because there is that CHANCE...as he's gone out of his way to say NO to Buffalo and yet and done nothing but open his arms to the possible suiting of his services here.

I can't believe Parcell's hat is possibly in the ring too...He would jump ahead of the class and be my #1 with Holmgren 2nd

JMHO

Were are you guys getting Parcells from??? He's under contract for the same position in Miami........that window everybody talks about closed last year.

Please enlighten me where I am wrong, but please tell me where you heard Parcells was interested from, and if so how we could get him and it not be either tampering or illegal considering he is the President of the Dolphins????

Help me bro...........I want to be wrong..lol.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/29/tuna-rumors-escalate-in-cleveland/

He has an out in his clause...and he makes MUCHO money still.

Of course just speculation thats all....but I too never even bothered to mention his Name as a Possible thinking he was like in Cement over at Miami...but he is not and its not Brown's fans talking about the possibility.

JMHWhere there's smoke there's fire... I HOPE

Holmgren, Parcells, I don't really care which. If either one comes to us it means we have a proven winner running the show and it's an instant upgrade to hope for the future.

I'd like to have Parcells too...but I just don't see him coming here...why should he?

I look for Bill Parcells to finish his contract in Miami and then retire for good...the guy has nothing left to prove.....

I say we start the "Cleveland Collective Sanity Fund" to help Junior pay Parcells' salary.

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Parcells will play any interest from the Browns into a sizable raise from Stephen Ross, new owner of the Dolphins.

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As the article says above web page ...the tuna would play the Browns for a pay raise should the Browns show any interest.

I do not consider Parcells as a serious possibility to fill Lerner's Czar position....jmho...mac

Thanks.......I understand his contract situation better now. I still think there is very little shot at him coming here, but we shall see.


Knight you might be on to something with Wolfe/Acorsi here. I still wonder if the plan isn't to bring in an older guy to mentor Bernie into taking over in a few years. I still hold out hope that Holmgren is the guy we get.

Not really claiming high rate of Possibility Mac...more so HOPE where before reading that article I had 0, Zilch, None of. Now there is always the HOPE that he will be interested.

Got news for you all.

The environment here is not that BAD we do have something to build on here. Regardless of Cap or No Cap (if not Cap most teams will have a Salary budget self imposed) we are in a good position with a lot of Salary room to compete for FAs.

We got 11 draft picks and if BQ proves to be a bonafide Franchise QB over the next 6 games...we could Parlay more dropping just 3-4 slots and still get a stud but more picks.

We got Thomas, DQ n EW young drafted studs.
Some hopefuls in Mack, MoMas, Robo and others.

Some good DL in Rogers, Robaire, Coleman, Williams, Rubin

Some prospects that could go either way...Wimbley, Pool, McD, Adams, Elam, Stuckey

But most of all the entire media and sports world considers the Browns to be a DEAD ENTITY... A lot of the makings of franchise is here and good things could happen and fast.

To be given the credit of this regardless of their previous LEGACIES turning the Browns around into WInners would grace the makings of a FOOTBALL ICON!!!

JMHO - who wouldn't be tempted with that opportunity?

You forgot to mention the 30-40 days of sunshine every year as one of the inducements to come to Cleveland.

Everything I've read as of the last few days has Holmgren getting close to signing with Seattle to run the show there.

I think he was talking about Django since all of his decisions have always been 100% right.

There was a report that seattle GM Tim Ruskell will not be retained, leaving the door open for Holmgrem.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/11/29/source-seahawks-gm-ruskell-wont-return

Yeah, and it also refers to Jon Gruden as well.. like most reports, it's speculation.... just the way it is this time of year I guess...

Thats all Mike H wanted to happen,

Let Seattle know he might go elsewhere and push thier hand to make a move, he did bye announcing he was intrested in Cleveland.

Kinda like Trevor Huffman did a few years back to the Indians
Has his arm blown up yet.....

Yes, but Toad, you know that there is going to be a ridiculous amount of blowback against Lerner if Holmgren does stay in Seattle, as if it was entirely Lerner's fault that Holmgren didn't come here.

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Yes, but Toad, you know that there is going to be a ridiculous amount of blowback against Lerner if Holmgren does stay in Seattle, as if it was entirely Lerner's fault that Holmgren didn't come here.

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Only complete and totally idiotic fans will hold that against Lerner... Those are the same ones that would complain if we won a Superbowl by only 10 points.......

To be fair, Toad, the non-football side of the organization is just as much of a mess as the football side.

Compare the business side of the Indians, Cavs and Browns. It's mind boggling just how much better the Indians and Cavs are in terms of fan friendliness, marketing, accessibility, media relations, etc. Manny Acta may have had a ... poor record in Washington, but I see why they hired him because he's a very bright baseball guy. He's also the anti-Mangini.

Here, the Browns have done seemingly everything to ... off the fanbase. This year aparthy/complete mutiny is at an all time high among fans.

The Browns are a poorly run franchise from top to bottom. And what kills me is I've said "the only way I'd quit being a Browns fan is if it's clear to me that we are eternally screwed and dysfunctional like the Lions and Raiders, because that means I'm just wasting my time."

Yet I'm still here. Hoping, praying, anything that Lerner isn't as incompetent as it seems and the organization really isn't that much of a joke.

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To be fair, Toad, the non-football side of the organization is just as much of a mess as the football side.

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NFL Teams are a three headed monster..

Adminstration: Accounting, finance, purchasing, personnel (non football related), IT and Security (team and facilities).

Football: Players, coaches, GM etc etc..

Marketing, Sales and PR: Self explainatory.

Admin wise, this team is like the others,, pretty good overall. The problems you bring up about fan friendly etc,, some of that is brought on by perhaps an over zealous security team. Some of it I understand, some I don't.

Fooball wise, we are a total mess

Marketing, sales and PR: part of thier success or failure is directly related to the football side of things.. It's hard to spin stuff when its this bad.. Sales and Marketing are killed when the team sucks as bad as we do..

Winning won't solve everything,, but it IS the most important thing.. once that is handled, I'm sure the rest will fall into place..

Daman, not exactly true. The Indians suck but their marketing department is first class.

J/C....

Well, it doesn't necessarily eliminate the possibility of Holmgren coming here yet as nothing is set in stone, but this is pretty damning news of the Seattle gig opening up. Time to look on down the list of possible candidates. I'm now equally as skeptical of both Holmgren and Parcells having any reason to come here. Floyd and Casserly are about as equally uninspiring to me.

This puts Heckert to the top of my list at this point I'd say. Sure he hasn't had the final say in personnel decisions as Reid has done that in PHI, but he is a young, energetic guy with a work history that I can trust. I hope he drafts just like they have in Philly. The emphasis on the trenches they had over there was impressive and they really are just one of the most talented, explosive rosters in the league. I'd also be interested in Heckert being able to lure quality coaches for both the offense and defense I want (WCO and 4-3 active blitzing style used by Jim Johnson). I'd be okay with him stealing Marty Mornhingwig for HC and letting him call plays on offense, too. Put in a guy who learned defense under Jim Johnson or even keep Ryan only if Heckert would want to. Overall we need front office stability more than anything first and this guy shot to the top of my list.

Heckert is the clear #1 to me right now. All the experience and work under Any Reid for the past 8 years is enticing, as well as the fact that he runs the scouting and personnel departments. Maybe make him president or VP of football operations to get him here and give him final say and let him roll up the sleeves and get to work. A lot needs to be done.

After Heckert, I like the following but in no particular order (just rattling off names and brief explanations why)....

-David Gettleman- Accorsi's recommendation to Lerner. Enough said about what we would rather have now, but this definitely is a guy who merits probably top three consideration on the list. He's the current Director of Pro Personnel for the Giants. I would have loved to see a Gettleman/Spagnuolo duo instead this year but no used crying in the breast milk anymore...

-Kevin Colbert- Steelers Director of Football operations is a clear, immediate upgrade to the front office and gives us stability going forward.

-Carl Peterson- I know the Chiefs aren't the model for winning in the NFL but Peterson is very well respected throughout the NFL. Might make a good president. Again, front office stability?

-For the Czar type, continuing with former coaches who may suddenly have success in the front office ala Parcells in Miami, I really like Dick Vermeil more than Marty or a bit more than Dan Reeves. I could live with either three to be honest.

-Rich McKay- the track record speaks for itself. He's a very influential NFL executive and would field a good product. Good track record of hiring coaches, too. Not sure what it would take to lure him away from ATL as he is President there.

I would be happy with any of the above names. There are many more to come and hopefully we do what the Chiefs did last year in their search, and that is quietly interview about a half dozen candidates for the front office. I tried not to think about Head Coaches here because I think we glaringly need stability in the FO. That I think is pathetically obvious...

Any concerns about Heckert being Savage 2.0? Young guy, energetic, but perhaps riding on the coattails of someone else's decisions (Newsome, Reid)?

From Peter King's MMQB:

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Mike Holmgren? Seattle or San Francisco -- as a GM/president, not as a coach or coach/GM -- are the most logical places for him. The longer he takes to consider Cleveland, the less chance the Browns have to get him.

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