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that peter king comment doesn't fit right. First off, does anyone actually expect any announcement of where holmgren IS going before the end of the season?
he said he wasn't even going to decide until then...
So why is it that anyone would expect an answer now..
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This puts Heckert to the top of my list at this point I'd say. Sure he hasn't had the final say in personnel decisions as Reid has done that in PHI, but he is a young, energetic guy with a work history that I can trust. I hope he drafts just like they have in Philly. The emphasis on the trenches they had over there was impressive and they really are just one of the most talented, explosive rosters in the league. I'd also be interested in Heckert being able to lure quality coaches for both the offense and defense I want (WCO and 4-3 active blitzing style used by Jim Johnson). I'd be okay with him stealing Marty Mornhingwig for HC and letting him call plays on offense, too. Put in a guy who learned defense under Jim Johnson or even keep Ryan only if Heckert would want to. Overall we need front office stability more than anything first and this guy shot to the top of my list.
Heckert is the clear #1 to me right now. All the experience and work under Any Reid for the past 8 years is enticing, as well as the fact that he runs the scouting and personnel departments. Maybe make him president or VP of football operations to get him here and give him final say and let him roll up the sleeves and get to work. A lot needs to be done.
After Heckert, I like the following but in no particular order (just rattling off names and brief explanations why)....
josh...I would say that the news that Lerner and Holmgrin had talked set in motion the move where the Seahawks announced that their present GM would not be returning.
The chances of Holmgren coming to Cleveland declined a bit with the Seattle announcement. If Seattle wants Holmgren, they have an owner with deep pockets too so the one advantage that Lerner had ($$$$) would be gone, if Seattle wants Holmgren.
Yep, it's time to move on down our list and I must say, we agree on Tom Heckert being a strong candidate to fill Lerner's Czar position. You can click the link below to read Heckert's bio.
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Heckert is from Adrian, Michigan and his bio says his favorite NFL team was the Dolphins until his dad began working for the Cleveland Browns when Tom was in 7th grade. Tom Heckert is only 42 yrs old but has 17 years of experience in the NFL.
Another name I came across was Rick Spielman, Chris Spielman's older brother. He was named the Vikings Vice President of Player Personnel in 2006. Here is a link to his bio. web page
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"Another name I came across was Rick Spielman, Chris Spielman's older brother. He was named the Vikings Vice President of Player Personnel in 2006. Here is a link to his bio"
Didn't last long in Minny,didn't last long in Miami.
Not what I'd call a glowing resume,and I don't really care who's brother he is.
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Grossi is talking up this guy.. remember, it's grossi talking Quote:
Gene Smith
General Manager, Sr. Vice President, Player Personnel, Jaguars
Gene Smith was promoted to General Manager and Sr. Vice President, Player Personnel on January 12, 2009. His responsibilities had increased in January 2008 when he was given the title of Executive Director, College and Pro Personnel. His duties have expanded even more in his new role as General Manager, but his primary focus will continue to include the scouting and evaluation of hundreds of college and pro players on an annual basis, and the orchestration of both the college draft and pro free agency processes.
Gene is assisted by nine talent evaluators with over seventy years of scouting experience in the NFL. He works closely with head coach Jack Del Rio and the coaching staff to collectively build a playoff caliber Jaguars roster.
Smith is one of 14 staff members who joined the franchise in 1994. He has been a part of building Jaguars teams that have made eleven playoff game appearances, including two AFC Championship games. His first draft class this year was led by two offensive tackles selected in the first two rounds in Eugene Monroe and Eben Britton.
After six years as a Jaguars college scout, Smith became the director of college scouting in 2000, and he has scouted the nation and helped guide the team’s NFL draft for the last eight years. Smith was previously the team's college scout responsible for the southeast United States. He joined the Jaguars on May 1, 1994 and was originally the team's scouting representative for the northeast with the BLESTO scouting combine, which he joined in February 1994. He was the southeast regional scout for BLESTO in 1995 before becoming solely the southeast regional scout for the Jaguars. Smith had previously been an assistant coach at the college level for eight years. He worked at Edinboro University from 1989 to ‘94, serving as an assistant coach, recruiting coordinator, and strength and conditioning coordinator. From 1986 to ‘88 Smith worked at Ohio University, where he began his college coaching career as a graduate assistant and later served as an assistant coach.
Smith graduated from Heidelberg College, serving as a captain of the football team while playing as a defensive lineman. He graduated in 1986 with a degree in education and in 1987 received his master's degree with emphasis in athletic administration from Ohio University. He was a member of the 2008 NFL Managers Program at Stanford University’s Executive Education Graduate School of Business. He is a member of both the NFL College Advisory Committee and the National Invitational Camp (NFL Scouting Combine) Selection Committee. He’s been inducted into his high school hall of fame, and served as a captain of the Monroeville (Ohio) High School football team as well, under Ohio high school hall of fame head coach Steve Ringholz. He is active in various charitable causes.
Born December 31, 1963, Smith is a native of Monroeville, Ohio. He is married with two daughters
Everytime someone comes a knocking, the Jags promote him,, The last job they have left to offer him is President.. we can offer that now.... I'm just not sure he's ready for the title President. GM,, sure, but he has that title now so it won't fly..
If we're going to offer someone the title President,, Holmgren or even Ozzie maybe.. Parcells for sure..
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If we end up with another "wonder kid" then this whole process (lol) has been another failure based upon what Lerner said he wanted. Heckert, the Jags guy, etc....are just repackaged versions of Phil/Kok. Lerner said he wanted someone who was experienced and had success doing it.
As I said when this all started though, the line will be long, and the list will be few for those type of guys. I honestly don't care who we bring in at this point, but I really hope the new guy has a plan and vision and doesn't waver from that. We honestly haven't had a FO who has come in with a philosophy of what they envisioned this team being and executed that plan...........heck I would be glad with a philosophy. Teams like the Steelers and Eagles no what type of player fits what they want to do, and they eliminate anybody that doesn't fit well within their system. Having an idea of who you are and what you want to accomplish go along way in being successful.
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Daman, not exactly true. The Indians suck but their marketing department is first class.
Maybe they're focusing on the wrong thing.
Hell, if you're winning consistently you don't even need a marketing department. It markets itself.
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Didn't last long in Minny,didn't last long in Miami.
Not what I'd call a glowing resume,and I don't really care who's brother he is.
BCBrownie...you wrote this...."Didn't last long in Minny"
BCBrownie...from wiki...Spielman assumed the Vikings’ Vice President of Player Personnel role on May 30, 2006, replacing Fran Foley. He is also responsible for overseeing the Vikings’ pro and college scouting departments.
To date, Spielman has overseen three drafts in Minnesota. His most notable draftees include Adrian Peterson in 2007 Tyrell Johnson in 2008 and Percy Harvin in 2009. The draft aside, Spielman is best known for the free agency splash the Vikings made in 2008, when they signed Bernard Berrian and Madieu Williams to big contracts and traded a first round and two third round picks to the Kansas City Chiefs for pro-bowl defensive end, Jared Allen, and finally in 2009 when the Vikings came to terms with long time Green Bay Packer Brett Favre. web page
BCBrownie...do "you" know something about Rick Spielman, I don't know about Rick Spielman...who was "still" the Vikings’ Vice President of Player Personnel, as of last night?
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C'mon Randy...give Ozzie 5% of the team along with the job...I would think OWNER wouldn't be a cross job - I wouldn't mind Ozzie running the show here
 Kosar to Ozzie somewhere in there?
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C'mon Randy...give Ozzie 5% of the team along with the job...I would think OWNER wouldn't be a cross job - I wouldn't mind Ozzie running the show here
EO..I doubt that Ozzie would jump to the Browns, even if he received minority ownership, but I would love to be wrong!
I have thought that Lerner might be able to lure Holmgren away from Seattle by making him an offer of a stake in the franchise. IMO, that would show how committed the Lerner family is in turning over the football operations to someone of Holmgren's caliber.
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C'mon Randy...give Ozzie 5% of the team along with the job...I would think OWNER wouldn't be a cross job - I wouldn't mind Ozzie running the show here
Kosar to Ozzie somewhere in there?
JMHGoofing around and just brain farting
someone already pointed this out....but just in case someone takes the 5% number seriously....
5% of Browns franchise value (currently at $798mill) = $40mil
I think Ozzie would take that, but why would Lerner fork over $40mil for a job that typically pays 1/10 of that per year or less (and I'm assuming he'd still have a yearly salary on top of that)?
Franchise value from: http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/forbes.html
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C'mon Randy...give Ozzie 5% of the team along with the job...I would think OWNER wouldn't be a cross job - I wouldn't mind Ozzie running the show here
Kosar to Ozzie somewhere in there?
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someone already pointed this out....but just in case someone takes the 5% number seriously....
5% of Browns franchise value (currently at $798mill) = $40mil
I think Ozzie would take that, but why would Lerner fork over $40mil for a job that typically pays 1/10 of that per year or less (and I'm assuming he'd still have a yearly salary on top of that)?
Franchise value from: http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/forbes.html
Well,... there are many around here who would love to see RL sell the team to "football guy".
Giving a small percentage of ownership to a proven,respected FO guy who's currently in the Hall of Fame as a Cleveland Brown, trusting him to pretty much call ALL the shots while he can be the silent owner looks like a win win situation for both parties.
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because that 40 mil is paper money. Unless he buys back that share or the team sells, it is money he would not be paid out in the salary check.
Like investments going up or down. The investor has more or less assets/value, but no more or less actual cash on hand.
And it may take a sweetened deal to pull someone in to clean up this mess. If there an offer for a decent team and an offer for Cleveland. In most cases the Cleveland offer is going to need that extra something to sway a potential suitor.
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All I know is that as an owner, I would NEVER offer a piece of ownership as a teaser to get someone to come to my organization, because IF things fail, you can't ever get that piece of the pie back, and because of that, Lerner will NEVER give up a share of his business.
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someone already pointed this out....but just in case someone takes the 5% number seriously....
5% of Browns franchise value (currently at $798mill) = $40mil
I think Ozzie would take that, but why would Lerner fork over $40mil for a job that typically pays 1/10 of that per year or less (and I'm assuming he'd still have a yearly salary on top of that)?
I was the one that pointed that out on another thread where someone wanted Randy to give up 20% to Holmgren..
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WHY HASNT ANYBODY SUGGESTED MATT MILLIAN........  cOMMON WE DO NEED WR'S 
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WHY HASNT ANYBODY SUGGESTED MATT MILLIAN........
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Agree... I would never do it. Since coaches don't count against the cap, just pony up 10% more than the next team in line.  I really don't think the franchise reputation is so bad that no one will be willing to come here. As long as the person coming in has free reign to hire and fire as need be, they will do it. This is what these guys do. It's better to them to start with a team with no where to go but up, and be labeled a franchise savior. As long as the ownership is on board, they make positive strides in improvement, and they can weather the initial storm of change.
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C'mon Randy...give Ozzie 5% of the team along with the job...I would think OWNER wouldn't be a cross job - I wouldn't mind Ozzie running the show here
Kosar to Ozzie somewhere in there?
JMHGoofing around and just brain farting
someone already pointed this out....but just in case someone takes the 5% number seriously....
5% of Browns franchise value (currently at $798mill) = $40mil
I think Ozzie would take that, but why would Lerner fork over $40mil for a job that typically pays 1/10 of that per year or less (and I'm assuming he'd still have a yearly salary on top of that)?
Franchise value from: http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/forbes.html
Why would an owner give up 5% worth $40 mill?...
BECAUSE HE CAN...
If someone has something you want..something you need..something critical to the success of your business...and you have the means to make it happen...why not give up 5% of the Browns to get the person you want to run the football side of the business.
A successful Browns franchise surely has more value than the current value of the Browns franchise. It could end up being a very wise business decision too.
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what happens if it fails?
now you cannot cut your losses and kick the guy to the curb (and paying whatever is left on his contract).....
instead, you are married to the guy....if he doesn't want to give up his piece, he's a part of "your" franchise forever.
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Firing Ruskell, hiring Holmgren: Take a closer look By ART THIEL SPECIAL TO SEATTLEPI.COM RENTON -- Mike Holmgren? Really? Is that a good idea, inviting the old coach to be the boss of the coach who succeeded him, when it was not the idea of the old coach to be ushered out on someone else's terms? And is firing a GM in mid-year a good idea, when it will have no impact on the current season, and puts an irked man on the street who has all the team's secrets? The oddest aspect of the recent speculation about team president and general manager Tim Ruskell is that it's still possible for the Seahawks to run the table and finish 9-7 to reach at least the edge of the playoffs. Of course, it's unlikely. About as unlikely as Tennessee losing its first six games, then winning its next five. Weird stuff happens in the NFL, where the difference between 6-10 and 10-6 might be a half-dozen plays over 16 games. Lost in the speculation about Ruskell's future is that CEO Tod Leiweke helped hire Ruskell, and Ruskell went to great trouble and some controversy to hire Jim Mora a year early for the job he now holds. That means for the first time in a long while, franchise management is presumably all on the same page, not an inconsiderable virtue. Yet a lot of the same people who felt Mora, the Interlake High School and University of Washington homeboy, was a good choice to succeed Holmgren apparently don't realize that replacing Ruskell with Holmgren means nobody will have the coach's back in the palace intrigue that is a large, under-reported part of any NFL franchise. Sure, Holmgren and Mora publicly made nice during the awkward year of transition. But Mora is not a protégé, and like Ruskell, is rooted on the defensive side. Holmgren barely knew Mora before he was hired by Ruskell as his top assistant, a deal that came together only after Ruskell outbid Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder for Mora. Ruskell has a lot of skin in the Mora investment, Holmgren virtually none. If Holmgren were Mora's boss, imagine what would happen next season after a two-game losing streak. The hounds would be baying for Holmgren to fire Mora and his staff and come back to the sidelines. Is that a good idea? Really? Worse is the rumor that Holmgren would condition his acceptance of the GM job only if he could bring his one-time protégé and fellow unemployed, high-profile coach Jon Gruden with him. Three head coaches and three staff changes in three seasons? Now there's an idea that only the University of Washington football program could get behind. Before buying into the rumors, such as the one published Sunday by Pro Football Weekly that claimed Ruskell already has been pink-slipped, please don't forget the role in this saggy saga of house politics and national sports politics. Over here at Castle VMAC, the king is ill. Owner Paul Allen is enduring chemotherapy as he copes with lymphoma. How he is doing, and how much he is paying attention to the Seahawks, is not known outside a small circle that is very tight. But it does seem reasonable that he has a few higher priorities at the moment, and causing a midseason disruption and controversy to his little sports empire is a headache he doesn't need. Even if Allen hands over the responsibility for the call, Leiweke is perhaps the smartest sports executive this town has seen. He's highly unlikely to fall victim to public pressure or incomplete information. Nationally, the scene might be unprecedented. Sitting out the current season are as impressive group of prime-time coaches -- Gruden, Holmgren, Tony Dungy, Mike Shanahan and Bill Cowher. A tier below are Brian Billick and Marty Schottenheimer. Each man shares a competitiveness as intense as his ego is large. Now that losing seasons are guaranteed for several teams -- and even winning teams are in play -- the jockeying has begun to see who can leverage the most panicky owner into the sweetest deal for money and power. With the expiration looming of the collective bargaining agreement and the potential of an uncapped player-salary season, owners naturally want the most attractive possible franchise. Through their agents and media friends, coaches leak word of their interest, or lack thereof, in various jobs. In the business, it's called creating a market, and I believe none of it until the music stops around the chairs. In Seattle, there is probably no media member, including me, who didn't mostly enjoy Holmgren's 10-year tenure. He's about as convivial and open as an NFL coach gets, particularly compared to the great stone face, Bill Belichick. It's a personality thing, having nothing to do with coaching/executive ability, yet it makes his return an easy endorsement. About the only people who resent it are Ruskell, Mora and a lot of people at VMAC who may lose their jobs in another change. Holmgren's sly campaign may be working the fans to his side, but he's making few friends in-house. At his weekly Monday presser, Mora seemed genuinely surprised by rumors of his benefactor's rumored departure. "We're in a cave," he said about his coaching focus. He knows now. Having issued this caution, I will also offer that Ruskell has put himself in the crosshairs of legit speculation by player acquisitions that largely have been tepid. For purposes of brevity, let's look at just one slice of Ruskell's five years of work in Seattle: The 10 players taken in the first and second rounds of the draft. 2005: 1, C Chris Spencer; 2, LB, Lofa Tatupu. 2006: 1, CB Kelly Jennings, 2, DE Darryl Tapp. 2007: 1, WR Deon Branch (acquired in 2006 for the '07 No. 1); 2, Josh Wilson. 2008: 1, LB Lawrence Jackson; 2, TE John Carlson. 2009: 1, LB Aaron Curry; 2, OL Max Unger. The first two rounds figure to be a franchise's best, cheapest best place to acquire impact players. The Seahawks have acquired a few starters, but the lone impact guy so far appears to be Tatupu. Curry, Unger and Carlson have potential, but frankly most of the draftees are just guys. And the best that just guys will get a team without impact players is 8-8. The team's best impact players have been acquisitions by Holmgren before Ruskell -- Matt Hasselbeck, Sean Alexander, Walter Jones, Steve Hutchinson, Marcus Trufant. So there is a reason besides the two-year cavalcade of injuries the Seahawks have allowed Ruskell's five-year contract to run its course without an extension. Doubts are legitimate. In a recent interview with the team's website, the only in-season interview Ruskell has given, he was asked whether the expectations for '09 were overdone. "In retrospect, maybe so," he said. "Maybe we had our expectations too high." But that isn't a fireable offense, and the season isn't over. The last time the Seahawks were 3-7, they won four of their final six to finish the 2002 season 7-9. Holmgren was stripped of his GM title by president Bob Whitsitt, but the staff was kept largely intact. Two years later, Whitsitt was ousted and three years later the franchise made its first Super Bowl. The circumstances now are a little different, but the point is the same -- wholesale change after a bad season or two is the easy choice, but not necessarily the right one. 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What about 1/2 of 1%.  Don't do it Randy...COULD be very messy.
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BECAUSE HE CAN...
He'd be an idiot and the laughingstock of the NFL as well as any Business owner... That's just a stupid idea.. and Lerner isn't that stupid...
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what happens if it fails?
now you cannot cut your losses and kick the guy to the curb (and paying whatever is left on his contract).....
instead, you are married to the guy....if he doesn't want to give up his piece, he's a part of "your" franchise forever.
DinD and nologo...As an owner, you protect yourself with a contract that is written by people who are a lot smarter than you and I. Lerner would have to be protected if the other party fails to perform according to the agreed upon terms/goals.
Lerner must be protected should the minority owner drop dead and fail to complete the terms of the contract. I'm sure Lerner has damn good lawyers that he pays very well to protect his interests and this would be such a case.
I was checking some franchise information on other NFL teams and I came across this while looking at the Dolphins...
Owner(s)...Stephen M. Ross (95%)
................H. Wayne Huizenga (5%)
..............Gloria Estefan*
...............Emilio Estefan*
.............. Marc Anthony*
...............Venus Williams*
...............Serena Williams*
*...(Unknown percentage of ownership)
It's not like NFL teams do not have minority owners, so we should not pretend this idea of using ownership in the team as an incentive to help sign the person you want to run your football operations, is not doable.
Everyone kind of sidestepped my point about the value of a successful Browns franchise vs the value of an unsuccessful Browns franchise.
Would a successful Browns franchise be more valuable than the franchise is now?
Again, using a minority stake in the franchise as an incentive to get the guy you need to run the football side of your franchise, might be a very good business decision.
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He'd be an idiot and the laughingstock of the NFL as well as any Business owner... That's just a stupid idea.. and Lerner isn't that stupid...
Daman...really?
As a business owner?...One question... Would a successful Browns franchise be more valuable than the franchise is now?
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As much as I would love to get Parcells...no way he is going to come to a small market team like us...not going to happen, thats a pipe dream.
As for Lerner giving up 5% Ownership..thats not going to happen because unfornatuely for us Browns fans, Lerner is not that stupid....literally
I wish Lerner was stupid enough to give up 5% of the team. In fact I wish Lerner would give up 100% of the team to someone who actually cares and knows a little bit about football.
This team won't win Jack Squat as long as Jr. Lerner is in charge, the guy is a dolt...His hiring of Linguini justifies that...he has failed at RAc and Savage and now Mangini and Koke(Who was fired after 8 months) the guy is a clown.
I am just going to sit back and chuckle...I want this team to win...I want Holmgren, however I figure Lerner will botch the deal with Holmgren somehow just like he did with Scott Pioli.....
The Cheifs may be bad now, however, Pioli will turn that team around..the Cheifs will be 8-8 next year, and playoff bound the following....the Browns on the other hand...well......
I have ZERO faith in Jr...and i figure Jr. will botch the Holmgren hire, or Holmgren will walk out on him mid-season if he does come here..it never ends.
I just wish Jr. would sell the team and put us fans out of our misery and give the team to someone who truly gives a darn because its obvious Lerner doesn't...he just talks a good talk...at least Modell cared...as much as I hate him, Modell cared more about his team than Lerner does his..
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This is a good read and makes a lot of good points for Seattle. On the other hand it goes to tell that the best years of the draft were under Holmgren. Funny because some on here said they got better after he was relieved of those duties. Maybe that has more to do with him having more time to coach than it does about his ability to be the GM. I'm still hoping that we end up with Mike as our GM/Pres.  The longer that takes the less I think our chances are at landing him.
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is firing a GM in mid-year a good idea, when it will have no impact on the current season
Of course it is! All the elite teams in the league do it!
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from my link above...here are the most valuable franchises:
Team League Owner Value
Washington Redskins NFL Daniel Snyder $1.1 billion
Dallas Cowboys NFL Jerry Jones $923 million
Houston Texans NFL Robert McNair $905 million
New England Patriots NFL Robert Kraft $861 million
Philadelphia Eagles NFL Jeffrey Lurie $833 million
Denver Broncos NFL Pat Bowlen $815 million
Cleveland Browns NFL Randy Lerner $798 million
Chicago Bears NFL McCaskey Family $785 million
How many recent superbowl winners are on that list? NE obviously. Denver, Dallas and Washington in the 90's but that's becoming longer and longer ago.
So, what do all those teams have in common? Crazy passionate fans who buy merchandise, sellout stadiums (build stadiums), drive television ratings, and being in a bigger market certainly does not hurt (shows how crazy passionate we are as we are the only "small" market team on this list).
Yes, being successful would be a bit of an increase in franchise value....but would it increase 5% more over the longterm of his franchise ownership even if they are more successful in the short term (which is not guaranteed).
also, as far as minority ownership....most franchises have it....however, they are investors who are helping supply $$$ to the franchise (and helping in marketing when they are celebrity).....not being gifted their stake and still pulling a salary.
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It's not like NFL teams do not have minority owners, so we should not pretend this idea of using ownership in the team as an incentive to help sign the person you want to run your football operations, is not doable.
True enough,, Many teams have minority owners.. Did you know that Art
Modell still owns a piece of the Ravens.
The difference is, you are talking about 5% of a team worth in the vacenty of 800 million,, 5% is around 40 Million.. And you are basically talking about giving it away.. that's stupid...
If you look at all the other situations like Miami,, each of the minority owners BOUGHT IN.....
(art didn't have to buy in, he just kept a piece for himself.. but that's the same as buying in)
Look at the Cavs,, lots of owners.. ALL PAID TO GET IN...... It's the price of poker..... they got to ante up..
Now, if you are looking at allowing the new Czar to buy in,, That's different. he's gotta put up some cash... You are then enticing them with the promise to allow them to buy in... Different story..
HUGE DIFFERENCE......
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I was checking some franchise information on other NFL teams and I came across this while looking at the Dolphins...
Owner(s)...Stephen M. Ross (95%)
................H. Wayne Huizenga (5%)
..............Gloria Estefan*
...............Emilio Estefan*
.............. Marc Anthony*
...............Venus Williams*
...............Serena Williams*
*...(Unknown percentage of ownership)
I know I'm getting up there in years and maybe my math is on the fritz but after 95% to Ross and 5% to Huizenga, what's left for the others? Does new math allow for more than 100% of something?
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Daman...really?
As a business owner?...One question... Would a successful Browns franchise be more valuable than the franchise is now?
Yup,, really!
In case you haven't noticed, These franchises go up no matter if the team is winning or losing..
It's still stupid to give it away... If Holmgren, Newsome or Parcells want ownership,, agree to let them buy in.... That's thier incentive....
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I was checking some franchise information on other NFL teams and I came across this while looking at the Dolphins...
Owner(s)...Stephen M. Ross (95%)
................H. Wayne Huizenga (5%)
..............Gloria Estefan*
...............Emilio Estefan*
.............. Marc Anthony*
...............Venus Williams*
...............Serena Williams*
*...(Unknown percentage of ownership)
I know I'm getting up there in years and maybe my math is on the fritz but after 95% to Ross and 5% to Huizenga, what's left for the others? Does new math allow for more than 100% of something?
More than likely rounding. If Ross has 94.5% it rounds to 95%, and if Huzienga has 4.5% it rounds to 5%, but they actually total 99%, leaving 1% for the rest to divvy up.
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According to Forbes the Fins are worth 912 million. 1% / 5 is only 1.8 million. I wonder if you get preferred parking with that?
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1% of the Dolphins would cost a pretty penny... Especially when the owner isn't giving it away
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All I know is that as an owner, I would NEVER offer a piece of ownership as a teaser to get someone to come to my organization, because IF things fail, you can't ever get that piece of the pie back, and because of that, Lerner will NEVER give up a share of his business.
not pure football, but...
the only case that i WOULD consider in terms of offering a piece of the franchise to an employee would be partial Cavs ownership to LeBron to stay in Cleveland. b/c in his case, the team's value is dependent upon him. i.e. offering 10% of 500mill leaves you with 90% of 500 mill. compare that to 100% of 300 mill, which is an optimistic value for the LeBron-less Cavs.
Browns fans are born with it...
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All I know is that as an owner, I would NEVER offer a piece of ownership as a teaser to get someone to come to my organization, because IF things fail, you can't ever get that piece of the pie back, and because of that, Lerner will NEVER give up a share of his business.
Never. Happen.
Didn't Policy get a piece?
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Franchises (excluding Green Bay) are private corporations.
No one gives up 5 percent ownership. You would sell it. Could Ozzie afford to lay out 40 million to buy a piece, probably not.
Giving up ownership also has issues, the person become a voting member and there are other ramifications.
Chances are the investment in the franchise is more for the potential benefit of the sale. Dividends on earnings of franchises on a year to year basis can be spotty, and not enough to cover the payments due.
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All I know is that as an owner, I would NEVER offer a piece of ownership as a teaser to get someone to come to my organization, because IF things fail, you can't ever get that piece of the pie back, and because of that, Lerner will NEVER give up a share of his business.
Never. Happen.
Didn't Policy get a piece?
I'm going from memory here, memories which are old and dusty, but I believe there's a fundamental difference as Policy was a partner of Al's when putting together the initial group, but it doesn't necessarily mean Policy also owned a piece of the team. That would be very different than Randy giving up a share just to entice a President to come aboard.
I could be wrong, but I don't believe Policy or anyone else owns a piece of the Browns.
I'd also note that while the Dolphins are owned by a variety of minority owners, there were financial reasons why Huizenga had to sell shares of the team. Lerner, being the sole owner, wouldn't ever want to willingly give up a share of the team, especially just to entice someone to come here.
Those are two VERY different situations.
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