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One thing I noticed...
2:10...
Mangini denying the James Davis reports...
I can't say one way or another what happened there...I don't have the slightest clue or opinion one way or another...but that bit - to me- just seems like he was lying through his teeth there. Call it a body language read.
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He says all the right things. If he could only put up results on the field.
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Just more lying from Cartman....look at his actions, forget his words He's on a PR mission to safe his job...he hates the media and now takes interviews after interviews...whatever safes your bottom Eric, huh? The last 20sec where esp hilarious....him talking about "believing" and suggesting that who doesn't believe in his plan is a heathen...wow, what a BS rhetoric...not even trying to make a rational argument (well...how...with the product put on the field)...so his best argument for himself is "vision" and "believe" in his plan...he thinks he is the priest and every fan is a dumb sheep...so, his bottom line is: "just stfu and trust me" Good luck with that Eric 
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Kudos to James Brown. Asked tough questions. No sugar coating.
Mangini is in total salvage mode right now. But he's a good talker. I know why Lerner liked him and probably continues to like him.
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I wasn't very impressed with this interview when they ran it this afternoon. He is totally trying to save his job. Talking about sticking with someone....bah. He always preaches it, but he doesn't teach it.
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One thing I noticed...
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Mangini denying the James Davis reports...
I can't say one way or another what happened there...I don't have the slightest clue or opinion one way or another...but that bit - to me- just seems like he was lying through his teeth there. Call it a body language read.
I read that they actually have practice video of it exonerating him. Have no link but I'm sure you can find it if you care to dig. '
The rest of it?... meh. I'm sick of talk. And sorry, don't mean to judge a book by it's cover but he's ALWAYS seemed like such a drip. When they hired him I remember watching all the interview clips and thinking "this guy is supposed to rally the troops?" He swallows his words and just gives the most sanitized answers. He just ien't inspiring or charismatic in the slightest. Neither is Bellicheck but Mangini just reads like a short bus kid. That's enought of the irrational personal attacks that hurt him so much.
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I wasn't very impressed with this interview when they ran it this afternoon. He is totally trying to save his job. Talking about sticking with someone....bah. He always preaches it, but he doesn't teach it.
As I get older the easier it is to spot a dishonest person. When I watch stuff like this my skin crawls. I don't know if it's my psychology degree, my sales background or the times that I lie (I make a point to try not to lie but somehow some things slip and I hate that) .... but I can spot a liar clear as day.
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Mangini says the right things, however...if Mangini keeps his job or not will depends on who comes in as the new so called "czar"
If Holmgren is brought in, I doubt he would want to keep Mangini......
I personally hope Holmgren takes over the whole ship, and brings in his own personel guy just like Andy Reid has Heckert in Philly, but Reid has final say...thats what I want here in Cleveland IF we get Holmgren
Holmgren should have final say, but I also want Holmgren to be Head coach as well...let Holmgren bring in a guy to run his scouting operations, and take the pressure off Holmgren in the regular season to coach, but give Holmgren Final say on the roster
Holmgren is a winner, if anyone can beat the curse, its Holmgren...
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Holmgren should have final say, but I also want Holmgren to be Head coach as well..
No...........no how.............no way................NO FREAKIN' WAY................
We've been down that road with Butch and now with 'Gini. Lerner will NEVER allow that. That's WHY he's bringing in a "Czar"..........
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Holmgren is the EXCEPTION Toad
where do you think Andy Reid learned all this from?
Holmgren that's who.....Holmgren Taught Reid
Its a slap in the face to say Reid is qualified to run the whole show, but Holmgren isn't
So Andy Reid(Holmgren's long time student) is more qualified than Holmgren to run the whole show?
thats just nonsense...Holmgren has appeared in 3 Super Bowls, he rebuilt the sorry Seahawks into a contender, he had a huge say in rebuilding the Packers(Brett Farve, Reggie White, Antonio Freeman, Dorsey Levens, Mark Chumura, Robert Brooks, and Leroy Butler) Were ALL picks Holmgren lobbied Ron Wolf for...but yeah the guy isn't capable of running the ship?
you cna't be serious
don't get me wrong, if we don't get Holmgren...then we need a GM...BUT Holmgren is the ONE exception to the rule where you hand the guy the keys
He is Andy Reid on Steroids +1 where do you think Reid learned it from? Holmgren one of the best
Holmgren is on the same level as Bill Parcells...you hand the guy the keys and get out of his way
to compare Holmgren to Davis or Cartman is a slap in the face and is not even a intelectual argument
if giving Holmgren the keys is the deal breaking in getting a guy like Holmgren, Lerner has some serious screws loose if he refuses....
that would be like the Browns refusing to hire Bill Parcells because he wants to run the show...EVERYONE knows Parcells has called the shots everywhere he has been.
the 3 years Jerry Jones let Parcells run the cowboys he turned them around, and then Jones had to be an idiot and get in the way of a good thing.....
Holmgren and Parcells are the only two guys I had the keys too.....those guys are proven winners...
i'd be happy with Holmgren as czar and Mooch as Head coach...i'v always liked Moochi as well...
i'd be thrilled with Holmgren as Czar and Mooch as Head coach
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Its a slap in the face to say Reid is qualified to run the whole show, but Holmgren isn't
If you were slow, would it be a slap in the face to say you are slow?
If you are white, is it a slap in the face to say you are white?
It's not a slap in Holmgren's face because he FAILED at running the whole show in Seattle, having had his executive duties taken from him.
So calling a spade a spade isn't an insult.
I'd bet everything I own that Lerner won't let someone run the show AND coach the team.
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I'm with you............I don't care if it's Paul Brown resurrected from the dead......no more HCs running the whole enchilada.
Holmgren is my guy, and I've been vocal about that. However, I want him as the Czar not anything else. I could live with a Czar with final personnel decisions (what I'm hoping for actually), but no way in hell do I want him as Czar, GM, and HC. It's just too much for any one man to do consistently.
Nothing against Holmgren, but that historically doesn't pan out nearly as much as it does in the NFL. The good news is I think Lerner finally gets this too, and we won't see that anymore.
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Its a slap in the face to say Reid is qualified to run the whole show, but Holmgren isn't
If you were slow, would it be a slap in the face to say you are slow?
If you are white, is it a slap in the face to say you are white?
It's not a slap in Holmgren's face because he FAILED at running the whole show in Seattle, having had his executive duties taken from him.
So calling a spade a spade isn't an insult.
I'd bet everything I own that Lerner won't let someone run the show AND coach the team.
I wouldn't exactly say Holmgren failed as a GM in Seattle...the core Offense(Hasselbeck, Engram, Alexander, Jackson, Hutchison) were all drafted by Holmgren
Holmgren drafted 50/50 as a Head Coach and that is TONS better than anyone ever drafted here
The draft is a crap shoot anyways....sometimes you get someone good, sometimes you don't..its a risk....
Not all of Parcells players panned out.
IMO though Toad..you will get your wish
Holmgren will be the Czar
Most likely Holmgren will Pick Mooch or someone else he is famlair with to be his Head Coach
just my two cents
I just meant if Holmgren wanted to do both, i'd be fine with that as well....however, im sure you will get your wish (Holmgren as GM, and someone like Mooch as Head coach)
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It's still a fact Knight, that Seattle asked him to resign his GM duties and focus only on his coaching. He did that and did a better job coaching his way into the Superbowl. IIRC he even said it himself.
It's really stretching a man thin to be responsible for everything. Very few can do it successfully.
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Ink Holmgren as the czar and let him hire the staff he wants, including a head coach.
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It's the process!
The process does not involve:
Trading your TE and replacing him with nothing.
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Drafting players that will take years to develop, if they develop at all.
Bringing in a plethora of former marginal players and hoping that scheme will make up for talent.
Bringing in a replacement RT and RG that have questionable skills when upgrades were in order.
Creating a disaster situation for QB's during camp and into the season.
Bring in a rookie unqualified OC, when the former one was acceptable.
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Nothing I heard in this interview is any different than what Mangini has said all along.
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I wouldn't exactly say Holmgren failed as a GM in Seattle...the core Offense(Hasselbeck, Engram, Alexander, Jackson, Hutchison) were all drafted by Holmgren
I wouldn't say he was a complete failure when handling both jobs, but if you look at the Seahawks record when he had both jobs as opposed to when one was taken away, you will see that the team suddenly began playing better and winning more...
Be that as it may, I don't think that Randy Lerner ever wants to deal with this again.. So I figure he wants a guy that will take all the heat... Holmgren is one of the few that walk in with the cred to get even the "human French Fry" to shut up and go away....
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seems like he was telling a fib about the James Davis situation.
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Saturday, October 24, 2009
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The Browns were cleared Friday evening of any wrongdoing regarding the season-ending shoulder injury to rookie running back James Davis.
Davis aggravated the injury and reportedly suffered a torn labrum earlier this month during a postpractice pass-blocking drill. ESPN.com reported that Davis suffered the injury because he was not wearing pads and the linebacker who hit him was. It was later learned that the linebacker was Blake Costanzo. But the NFL investigated and found that the Browns did nothing wrong.
An unnamed NFL spokesman said in a statement: "After reviewing video of the practice session and interviewing Cleveland Browns players, coaches and team staff, the NFL determined the injury sustained by running back James Davis occurred in a controlled environment and the Browns did not violate any league policies."
Browns coach Eric Mangini was confident all along that the Browns would come out of the investigation OK. According to several reports, Costanzo was not wearing pads during the "opportunity drill," designed to give younger players a chance to impress the coaches.
Throughout the process, Mangini said, "We talked to the league about it. We addressed it. We feel very comfortable with being where we're at."
ESPN.com attributed its report to two witnesses to the incident from within the Browns organization and other NFL sources who corroborated it. The report said the NFL Players Association called it "an outrage" and planned to possibly file a grievance. Mangini stressed during the ordeal that he would never authorize a player in pads to hit a non-padded player.
Davis, a sixth-round pick from Clemson, reportedly underwent surgery in Alabama last week by Dr. James Andrews to repair the torn labrum. The Browns had no comment on the league's findings.
Flu update:
Of the 12 Browns stricken with the flu this week, only Corey Williams was still idle Friday. Nine more returned to action and all are probable for the game, except Williams, who is questionable. Robert Royal, who is listed as questionable, has other ailments limiting him, including a pulled hamstring and finger injury....
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not even trying to make a rational argument (well...how...with the product put on the field)...so his best argument for himself is "vision" and "believe" in his plan...he thinks he is the priest and every fan is a dumb sheep...so, his bottom line is: "just stfu and trust me"
Good luck with that Eric
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not even trying to make a rational argument (well...how...with the product put on the field)...so his best argument for himself is "vision" and "believe" in his plan...he thinks he is the priest and every fan is a dumb sheep...so, his bottom line is: "just stfu and trust me"
Good luck with that Eric
Hey, if that can get you elected President, surely it's good enough for an NFL coach.
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But the Browns haven't been cleared of any wrongdoing regarding the team..but they are working on it... 
There's been too much failure with wannabe GM's this organization has had.
No one is going to assume a dual role anymore..(now watch something opposite happen)..even if Holmgren is brought in(which I doubt)..he would be the Czar..not the VP and GM..nor would he coach..
Oh and the interview didn't do one thing for me..one way or the other.
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I'm starting to think Holmgren doesn't want the job, and is using us as leverage to get Haskell out of Seatle. I also am of the opinion that after him there isn't anyone qualified to be the "czar" that Lerner talks about. There are alot of guys who are qualified to be GM, but I think your going to see alot of them balk at taking this job as well......like your boy in Philly.
To be honest talking Acorsi/Wolfe out of retirement to set this organization up isn't a bad move imo. It gives us some credibility around the league, and it also gives us the closest thing to someone qualified to being a "czar" that we are going to get. I just hope he doesn't hire someone like Casserly or Reese and then tell me he's the Prez that's going to set up this organization.....puke. I also don't want another wonder kid (like your boy) brought in to be the "czar", because they haven't even had final say in personnel decisions yet............maybe it's him maybe it's Reid.....who knows.
Holmgren is the safest bet to successfully set up an organization and more importantly a PLAN, but I just don't think he's all that interested. With all of the pending vacancies looming we might be getting our 3rd or 4th choice I'm afraid........and that's if Lerner shells out the big money.
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What did I miss,, what did he say or reportedly say that would make you think that? I've been paying attention to this and I haven't heard one negative from Holmgren or Lerner on the subject... so what's making you think that??
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Just several articles from people saying that those close to Holmgren say he's dragging his feet with us to get the Seattle job.........read King's column in the other thread.
I hope I'm wrong (trust me I want you all to laugh at me I'm so wrong..lol), but usually where there is smoke there is fire, and I've read 3 or 4 articles basically saying the above.
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Ahh, Ok, I haven't missed anything then,, I just didn't put a lot of store in some stuff.. just like I"m not sure he'd come here either...
In about every article I've read, it said that Holmgren didn't want to make a decision until after the season to compare opportunities.. so from that stand point,, yeah,, he could stay retired or join any number of other organizations.
I'd be shocked if he accepted any position before at least the regular season is over. I'd be equally shocked if any playoff team would be looking at him seriously if at all..
But I"m gonna stick to my belief that this job with the Browns is a diamond level opportunity... A Crazy in love with the Browns fan base, State of the Art facilities, an owner that WANTS to win and has the bucks to back it up and then there is the tradition that nobody has been able to bring back to this team since Paul Brown was fired.
It could be one of the most inspriational stories ever told about Football.. The rebirth of a legendary team....
I am not sure that Seattle can offer anything but money... Paul Allen has more than Lerner...by a wide margin.. so it could offer more..
According to one of the articles,, Holmgren still owns a home in Seattle..
Someone will try to make more of that then is reasonable.. It's meaningless...
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Good interview. Don't know if anyone noticed the background music...? "Too Late to Apologize" by One Republic?
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I'm starting to think Holmgren doesn't want the job, and is using us as leverage to get Haskell out of Seatle. I also am of the opinion that after him there isn't anyone qualified to be the "czar" that Lerner talks about. There are alot of guys who are qualified to be GM, but I think your going to see alot of them balk at taking this job as well......like your boy in Philly.
I think there is..and I also heard that Holmgren wasn't the one that Lerner talked to last week..thing is we'll hear a lot of BS until someone's name is inked..
I also don't want another wonder kid (like your boy) brought in to be the "czar", because they haven't even had final say in personnel decisions yet............maybe it's him maybe it's Reid.....who knows.
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ESPN's NFL Coach Ratings shows that Mangini has a 10% approval rate. This needs to be corrected. Click on the link and vote no!
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Thought you were a Heckert guy......sorry. I like him, but I am hesitant to give any wonder kid the keys again after what we've seen out of the last 2 wonder kids.......just give me someone who's done it before and had a measure of success while doing it.
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Can anyone think of a guy who was successful at being both the GM and head coach? I can't!
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Bellyache, Jimmy Johnson (had final say in personnel at that time), Andy Reid......to name a few. The problem is that the list is much longer of those who've had it that weren't successful.
Say no to a Supreme Being HC!!!! History shows the chances of it working are slim.
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Do you mean at the same time? 
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Yes at the same time. Not sure Jimmy Johnson had the final say over Jerry Jones.
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Can anyone think of a guy who was successful at being both the GM and head coach? I can't!
I think Parcells with the Jets. Even if they had a GM, Im pretty sure Parcells called the shots on who they got.
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Again I said, "successful". How was Parcells successful with the Jets. Did they even make the playoffs.
He took over a Jets team that was 1-15 the year before and had gotten progressively worse going from 6-10 to 3-13 to 1-15 and in Parcells first year they went 9-7, the following year they went 12-4 and went to the playoffs, then the next year they were 8-8.... yea, I'd consider that successful.
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