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I was disturbed that some people found a need to step on other people's feelings because they didn't share them and to me that shows a lack of respect and compassion for others.






I understand you feeling like that. I saw it much the same way.

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RAYYYZOR!!!!! Yeah that savee was pretty damn impressive!

Ok, sorry bout that


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I feel sad anytime I hear of an animal hurt or one that has died.




So I shouldn't e-mail you pictures of all the cats that have been stuck to my car tires


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You guys just keep making Lama's point for her. I guess it makes you all feel good about yourself somehow. Oh well, to each their own.

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Oh, sorry if you misunderstood my stance, it's not that I don't feel sorry for Barbaro....I feel bad when any animal or human being passes away. I just wish he didn't have to suffer like he did for as long as he did.

I think the right thing to do would have been to put him down immediately, that's all.

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I can't help it, you know how much I hate cats


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They hate you too.

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They really hate me when I poop in their litter box


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You guys just keep making Lama's point for her.






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I think the right thing to do would have been to put him down immediately, that's all.




If he had belonged to you and you'd been given a glimmer of hope that he could get better would you really? If you knew that trying could also advance the veterinary techniques of treating a broken leg in a horse and further the chances of finding a way to stop it from being a fatal condition wouldn't you have tried, as long as you saw that the horse was able to take it? I don't know what I'd do because I didn't have to make those decisions I do know that I'd consider all the options if I was faced with the prospect.

Once again though this thread isn't about Barbaro as much as it is about the fact at any time a person can open their heart in any way it's advances humanity IMO. We see so much pain and distruction in the world that we become desensitized if something can get in and touch people's hearts it's worth talking about. In this case some felt that those of us who did have feelings should just get over it because it was just a horse. For whatever reason it didn't touch them, which is fine not everyone is going to feel the same. However they felt they had a right or it seemed that they even thought it was their duty to tell us we were wrong for feeling theway we did. Why? I don't know.

I know some will say it's just a message board but to me it's a learning tool to try to better understand human nature. I find it very interesting to see the reactions that people have to things and to try to understand them even when they seem incomprehensible.


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If he had belonged to you and you'd been given a glimmer of hope that he could get better would you really?




I don't know, that's a tough one. Most horses don't recover from that severe of an injury, which is why they are put down. Personally, I would not want to take my chances that he would have to live in pain and/or discomfort, especially not for as long as he did.

About a year ago, while I volunteered to foster kittens at the shelter, I took a mother and her litter right after she had given birth. Two of the kittens were born with a nervous system disorder that caused them to be paralyzed. Of course, this was something that wasn't evident until the rest of the litter were able to walk, and they couldn't. In the meantime, I became very emotionally attached to them, just like I had with all of the cats and kittens that I have fostered.

Long story short, I COULD have kept the kittens, but the problem was that I would have had to bottle feed them for the rest of their lives....what quality of life would they have had? It was hard for me, but I followed the vets suggestion and had them put down. I figured they would be in a better place. It was the humane thing to do.

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Let me add, I do understand the rest of your post though....I just wanted to address that one topic in particular.

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for those who care:

Eulogy for Barbaro
By Devon Ellington

It's never "just a horse" for a true racehorse fan. Ten thousand thoroughbred foals are born each year; only a fraction of them make it to the track. A fraction of that fraction runs for the Roses and even fewer have a shot at the Triple Crown. The occasional visitor to the track might not remember the name of a horse unless it was a big winner, but the regulars, the owners, trainers, and jockeys know the daily heartbreak that are part and parcel of The Sport of Kings.

It's more than speed and agility that captures a crowd. It's personality.

Barbaro had that special personality. He had a face one could not help but fall in love with on sight, an easy interaction with humans unusual for a horse so young, a keen sense of professionalism and competition, and a terrific sense of humor. He was too busy enjoying the entire experience to throw a diva fit in the paddock. He loved to work with his jockey and his trainer, and he loved to WIN.

He did that, beautifully, in the Kentucky Derby, and even the crusty old guys worn down by cynicism began to talk about the possibility of a Triple Crown.

Unfortunately, that promise was cut down when he broke his leg in the opening steps of the Preakness last May. And then he showed millions of people how "just a horse" could mean so much.

He succumbed to the ministrations of the vets with grace, gentleness, and humor. The fact that Edgar Prado (his jockey), his groom, trainer Michael Matz, and the humans he knew and trusted kept him calm in the early hours of the injury gave him a chance at survival. Another horse, more high-strung, more skittish, would have thrashed and fought, driven by pain and fear, and had to be euthanized in a matter of hours. Barbaro trusted those around him and worked with them, not against them.

He worked with them for eight months, through multiple surgeries and even that dreaded disease, laminitis. He interacted cheerfully with his humans. He learned to use his sling like a baby's Jolly Jumper, telling his caretakers when he had enough and wanted to lie down and sleep. He inspired adults and children alike, and even flirted with some of the female horses also in intensive care.

He was fortunate in his owners, Gretchen and Roy Jackson. They loved the horse - not simply for his earning potential, but because they recognized his unique spirit and winning personality. They had the belief, the willingness, and (not to be underestimated) the financial resources to give him the best care possible. They wanted to spend the money to save his life, if at all possible, even if he could never race again, or never even stand stud. They did it because they loved him.

His accident showed the world the dark side of racing. Every time a jockey gets on a horse, it is with the knowledge that one or both of them could return permanently disabled - if they return at all. Ten times a day, five days a week, those involved with the sport and their families live with that reality. It's a part of racing that the marketing people would rather stay hidden, because the heartbreak turns people away from the sport. After all, people don't want to face anything that makes them uncomfortable when they're "out for a good time". And, with the race industry desperate to lure new fans, the harsh realities are something they'd rather keep hidden - which ends up causing more problems in the long run.

The aftermath of the accident also showed the world the best of racing: That owners exist who genuinely love their animals and don't see them as a simple status symbol; that trainers and jockeys get attached to the horses, and don't see them as a mere meal ticket; that a veterinary staff is willing to try new techniques to save a horse's life; that a horse can turn to the camera with a wink and a whinny and capture a nation's heart.

Barbaro was unique, and will be missed for many reasons, but the most important go far beyond what "could have been".

Hialeah alumni Sharlene Thomas says, "Barbaro awoke in me the same feelings I had thought were reserved for my first love, Secretariat. With full hearts and a joy of running exhibited from the get-go, these magnificent animals immediately captured the love and admiration of anyone lucky enough to see them in action. I could barely see through my tears, watching Barbaro's last race and prayed along with the rest of the country that he would make it. That he lost the battle, is so sad, for all of us."

Artist and photographer Barbara Rosenthal, a long-time racing fan, adds, "People connect to horses as live souls. It connects the animal world to the human world. It's not a card game or a slot machine. We'll miss his soul in the world. I'll miss him. I'll miss seeing him, reading about him. He was such a beautiful animal."

He was, and he made an impact on the world that will not be soon forgotten. At the time of writing, the Jacksons were still considering where to inter Barbaro's ashes. On the one hand, they'd like him at their farm, his home; on the other hand, they understand that many want to pay their respects, and perhaps a more public location would be a better choice. Churchill Downs, the site of his Kentucky Derby victory, has offered a site, as have other facilities around the country.

The Jacksons continue in racing, with a yearling full brother to Barbaro already learning the ropes, and another full brother about to foal. The Jacksons will also be honored this August in Saratoga Springs by the Belmont Child Care Association at their annual gala.

Barbaro is gone, but his influence on the sport and in advances in equine medicine, will be felt far into the future. In spite of the sadness, he's leaving a legacy of hope to the future.

http://www.femmefan.com/site/featuredarticles/2007/Feb07/EulogyforBarbaro_article0201.htm


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It's always a hard decision when to trying to do what is best for and animal and not one to be taken lightly. Having a vet or vets you can trust is always helpful and it seems to me like Babaro's owners had that and they listened and decided according to vets advice just as you did and just as I have(sadly) in a few cases.


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He had a face one could not help but fall in love with on sight




I'm sorry, but it's a freaking horse! That's not meant to be cruel or unfeeling, but a horse is a horse. (Of course, of course). How can the face make you fall in love on sight?


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I held a 10 week old pug a few days ago. I fell in love immediately.....and she was just a dog.

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He had a face one could not help but fall in love with on sight




I'm sorry, but it's a freaking horse! That's not meant to be cruel or unfeeling, but a horse is a horse. (Of course, of course). How can the face make you fall in love on sight?




If you don't get it you won't get it so how can we explain it? Do you have some some point of reference to go from? Is there anything you would look at and fall in love with? What's your passion?


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Rescue Group Says Blind Horse Was To Be Sold For Meat

POSTED: 11:18 am EST February 8, 2007
UPDATED: 12:30 pm EST February 8, 2007

LITCHFIELD, Ohio -- Two horses have new homes after a group called Another Chance Equine Rescue took them in.

Women who belong to the group took Moses and Casper from a farm in Litchfield in Medina County this week.

The women said Casper is blind and was probably going to be auctioned off for horse meat.

"The man who had them said that's what he was going to do. He was going to take them to Sugar Creek and the only person who would buy this horse --somebody would be buying it for meat," Brenda Lewis said.

The women do not believe the previous owner will face any charges, and they're hoping he will eventually find willing homes for the remaining three horses he still has.

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Thanks Lee.

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