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http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=10174

Apparanetly Dolphins never released Roth, nor did the Browns get him...thanks refs for another discussion going down the toilet

Discuss here...

WTF over?

No mac....he's making light of the fact the thread was removed.

I noticed that the other Matt Roth thread was removed. Perhaps Django was told that the reason it was removed was because the Dolphins didn't release Roth, when now we see that they did release him and we got him.

I am just looking forward to seeing Django praise Mangini for picking this guy up.

Sarcasm folks...I just don't get why the "old" Matt Roth thread had to be closed

They delete that but the stupid poll in Gameday forum remains.

Shep...sounds like a job for the refs...

Remind me again why I bothered with all the Matt Roth info when it just gets deleted? Well, have a good one Brownies.

Being a little melodramtic today are we Vendigo

Listen, it's happened to all of us,,

OK,, having said that.. I'm thinking that if Parcells somehow ends up here, Roth will be gone quickly.....LOL

Did he?

Maybe you just think he did .......


I could see the original thread being deleted if it had happened after the initial 2 or 3 posts as there was no link and/or verifiable source posted. However, then someone did post a link and source ..... so I'm confused as to why the original was taken down.

anyone want to talk about Matt Roth in this thread?

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I just find it odd to be asked to write something about Roth here by a member and after I take the time and effort, the whole thing gets deleted without comment.

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You were asked?!

Who are you, "Have Keyboard Will Travel"? (the internet)

Vendigo is a Dolphins fan.


He believes that Roth is a decent 2 down OLB and Roth can seal the edge but can be beaten in coverage by good TEs
JHHO
Just His Humble Opinion

no, but is a hard worker,is a special teams demon and understands the process.

To me Matt Roth is somewhere around a finished product of a project DE to LB ..... who has had only moderate (at best) success at the position.

He looks to be about the mid to lower production expectations/hopes of a guy like David Velkume. If Velkume is (in 4-5 years) were Roth is today ... he'll likely be looking for a new team as well.

Now .... I do think that Roth was a sensible pickup in that he's more capable than our 2nd/3rd string players who are being forced into play because of injuries. I just don't expect him to be a "solutiuon" tyoe player, but rather a fill in type.

That was a good one....Veikune will never even sniff Roth...and Roth isn't any good to begin with

Think a younger David Bowens....that's Roth

j/c

This may have been mentioned in the other thread, but why did the Dolphins let Roth go? In other words, why should we be high on yet another team's "trash"?

Why not just play Alex Hall?

Let me straighten you guys out!

Roth is first and foremost an imediate upgrade, and secondly he's not a former Jet in any sense of the word.

We can extrapolate from this sudden change in player aquisition direction... What exactly?

Kokinis was the problem all along!

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Uh oh, alluding to a rumor. If the ref see this it's.. NO SOUP FOR YOU!

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Yup,,, that's me,, Rumor Monger extraordinair,,,,,,,,,,

just clicking...

Wouldn't it be great if Browns fans judged a players talent based on his play on the football field?

Just a thought, but shouldn't we wait to see him play?

I'm still waiting to see David Veikune play.

Why yes, mac, it has occcurred to me that there could be a very good reason for it:

He isn't that good.
He might be in the future, but he isn't right now.

Wasn't Roth a starter with the Fins in 2008 before Jason Taylor came back?

Given our dire situation at linebacker, this could be a BIG upgrade.

j/c

Some guys simply need a change of scenery to get to their next level or to get something out of their head.

It happens quite frequently...as stated above...this is a zero risk / potential reward pickup.

If nothing else, the guy could probably switch back to DE when/if we got to a 4-3

(j/k)

The following was reported from the Senior Bowl in 2005 by ESPN's Ivan Maisel:


Roth determined to sack size concerns

Wednesday, January 26, 2005

By Ivan Maisel
ESPN.com

MOBILE, Ala. -- Four years ago, Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz convinced Matt Roth to turn down Nebraska by promising the suburban Chicago high school star that he wouldn't have to play defensive end. He could continue to play linebacker.

Roth, a two-time All-Big Ten defensive end, smiled Wednesday when asked about it.

"I love playing linebacker," Roth said. "Once they put my hand on the ground, it felt like a natural fit. I had a knack for it."

If 30 sacks over the last three years is any measure, Roth has a knack for defensive end.

He has spent the first three days of practice at the Senior Bowl doing to the best offensive linemen in the nation what he did as a Hawkeye.

"He's extremely well-coached," Oakland defensive ends coach Pat Jones said.

"Excellent quickness. High motor." Jones, the longtime coach at Oklahoma State, paused for a second and grinned. "I can see why Iowa wins a bunch of ballgames."

At 6-foot-3, 262 pounds, Roth isn't much bigger than a linebacker. However, NFL talent pickers put stock in hand size, and only five players on either roster have a bigger hand (10½ inches) than Roth. Few of them have as quick of a first step, either.

No one at the North team practices conducted by the Raiders is tackled. Practices are "thud" only. But Roth has at least four "sacks" this week. On Wednesday, Purdue quarterback Kyle Orton got Roth to jump offside. On the next play, Roth quick-stepped around Eastern Washington tackle Michael Roos, and instead of unloading on quarterback Charlie Frye of Akron, flicked the ball out of Frye's hands onto the ground.

A few plays later, Vanderbilt tackle Justin Geisinger, in his first practice as a replacement for the injured Rob Petitti of Pittsburgh, attempted to block Roth. Geisinger, playing on the right side for the first time since high school, struggled at best. On one play, he didn't do much more than wave as Roth went by.

"He didn't make it easy for me," Geisinger said in admiration. "He's quick."

"I've told NFL guys that he's a defensive line version of a Bob Sanders," Ferentz said via phone Wednesday morning, referring to the Indianapolis safety, a second-round pick out of Iowa who played in the Senior Bowl a year ago. "Matt's all football player. He practices 100 miles per hour. Like Bob, he was rough around the edges early.

"If every play was a run play, he could have been an All-American linebacker," Ferentz said. "He didn't have much feel for the passing game."

Ferentz promised Roth a shot at linebacker. Roth played linebacker and special teams as a freshman, and the next spring, he agreed to give the line a chance. As a situational player, he made 10 sacks in 2002. He increased that to 12 as a junior.

This year, Roth had eight sacks. But the attention he drew is a big reason that Hawkeye tackle Jonathan Babineaux had 11 sacks. Babineaux is playing in the Senior Bowl, too.

The biggest question that Roth must answer concerns his size, and he said Wednesday that he understands he will have to answer it from all 32 NFL teams.

"The NFL teams are still a little skeptical," Roth said. "A guy like (Indianapolis end Dwight) Freeney has kind of opened that door for us. Some teams play big guys. Some teams want small, quick, speed."

Roth edited that description.

"Not small. A little undersized," Roth said.

He seems to have a handle on the skepticism.

"You only have to convince one team," Roth added.

Roth benefited by playing for Ferentz, a former Baltimore Ravens assistant who has developed a reputation among NFL coaches for turning out well-schooled players. The Hawkeyes have sent several offensive linemen to the NFL over the last two years, including Robert Gallery, the second overall pick in 2004.

Roth went to school against them, and he has displayed that knowledge daily at Ladd-Peebles Stadium.

"You watch him in practice. That's just how he is," Ferentz said. "He competes full speed. He's extremely quick and explosive. You won't find any tougher player. Matt is not the biggest defensive lineman in the world. One thing we know. He is a football player."

Ivan Maisel is a senior writer for ESPN.com.