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Glad he came up, as I've been wanting to make a comment but haven't found the right moment..........
Mays, for all the hype and PR, is probably one of the worst tacklers that I've seen.
I can't count how many times this year I've seen him dive without wrapping-up.
He's a physical phenomenon, but he's not close to a finished product.
However with the right coaching and if he applies it..he could become a force..not saying it will happen..but it could..
I however have my eyes on other safeties..
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Just want to remind some of you that one of the best QBs in Browns' history struggled his 1st year as a starter too.
Bernie's 1985 stats
124 comp. 248 atts. 50% 1,578 yds 8 tds 7 ints. 6.4 yds per att.
131.5 yds a game 14 fumbles
Quinn's stats
95 comp. 175 atts. 54.3% 912 yds 5 tds 5 ints. 5.2 yds per att.
130.3 yds per game 3 fumbles
The difference is Bernie had a great running game to rely on and a pretty good defense to help him too. Now i'm not comparing Quinn to Bernie, BQ may never even be a quality QB in the NFL, but before we go drafting another QB early lets build the team up and see what we've got.
This is Quinn's third year.
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Yes but he only had 3 starts before this year and a QB learns alot more by playing and getting most of the practice reps then by sitting and getting very few reps. They need to develop timing with their WRs and to know what each is gonna do in certain situations.
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Just want to remind some of you that one of the best QBs in Browns' history struggled his 1st year as a starter too.
Bernie's 1985 stats
124 comp. 248 atts. 50% 1,578 yds 8 tds 7 ints. 6.4 yds per att.
131.5 yds a game 14 fumbles
Quinn's stats
95 comp. 175 atts. 54.3% 912 yds 5 tds 5 ints. 5.2 yds per att.
130.3 yds per game 3 fumbles
The difference is Bernie had a great running game to rely on and a pretty good defense to help him too. Now i'm not comparing Quinn to Bernie, BQ may never even be a quality QB in the NFL, but before we go drafting another QB early lets build the team up and see what we've got.
This is Quinn's third year.
Stats don't mean anything, but.... Drew Brees 3rd year...
2,108 yards, 11 TD's 15 INT's, 67.5 passer rating.
BQ is on pace for 1,563, 9 TD's, 9 INT's, and a 66.3 QB rating.
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True, I am not sure any of our receivers even know what a hot route is, which may be a big factor in our poor QB play.
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Someone has posted similar stats about every bum the Browns have drafted since the rebirth.
And where are the Fryes,and Couchs at today?
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Quinn further proves he isn't a NFL QB. Dude doesn't trust himself at all. The Lions secondary as expected, was terrible and gave easy cushions to the WR which gave Quinn all the confidence to throw down field, no matter how inaccurately.
Either you got it kid, or you don't. Right now, you are Charlie Frye 2.
Gosh I guess improvement mean nothing to you and a hand full of others.
In the last 2 games we have scored 5 offensive TD's and no interceptions is that not an improvement?
The previous 9 games we scored 5 offensive TD's and more interceptions than I care to go back and look up.
Our current QB has shown some improvement but some of you want label him a bust on a team that can't even get out of it's own way!
Boy I wish I knew as much about this sport as some of you! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Oh yea Toad, How did Drew Brees do tonight? Mr. QB assessor! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Our current QB has shown some improvement but some of you want label him a bust on a team that can't even get out of it's own way!
Define 'some improvement'...
In the last two games, I've seen roughly 5-7 plays from Quinn that truly impressed me...and none of the bombs against the Lions were one of them. Those were EASY shots -- I know he can make those throws because he did so against the service schools.
And despite the ineptitude of his cast...he shows deficiencies that are all on him...when he gets good blocking, still has happy feet and airs the ball to our bench...that's on him.
As far as improvement? He's shown some things in the red zone. We're a million times more productive in the red zone with BQ.
But I don't think he's done nearly enough to shed the stiff label.
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Someone has posted similar stats about every bum the Browns have drafted since the rebirth.
And where are the Fryes,and Couchs at today?
The same place Drew Brees would be if he had a different coach/system every year, and the Chargers didn't have LT, Gates, Boston... and oddly enough the year he "broke out" their defense went from 31st in the NFL to 11th.... I'm not saying Frye, Couch or Quinn is as good as Brees is, especially this year, but when have any of them gotten that kind of help? I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with never.
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The 5 new Olinemen helped more than the defense.
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It occured to me that Quinn is at least as bad or worse at Quarterback,
compared to other quarterbacks in the league than
Brandon Mcdonald is at Cornerback compared to other conerbacks in the league.
Quinn is by definition playing a more important position that holds the ball more often. Yet he keeps getting more chances.
Mcdonald was benched a couple times already but Nobody saying they HAVE TO STICK WITH MCDONALD., has to be the future.
But some will state, they Have to stick with Quinn.
I argue, that Quinn as a quarterback is less than Mcdonald as a cornerback.
Quinn can prove this wrong today, and Thursday, But that won't change the last 7 starts, or dozens of not good enough to starts, that cannot be ignored.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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BQ and the Browns DB's are painfull areas, no matter what lol.
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It occured to me that Quinn is at least as bad or worse at Quarterback,
compared to other quarterbacks in the league than
Brandon Mcdonald is at Cornerback compared to other conerbacks in the league.
Quinn is by definition playing a more important position that holds the ball more often. Yet he keeps getting more chances.
Mcdonald was benched a couple times already but Nobody saying they HAVE TO STICK WITH MCDONALD., has to be the future.
But some will state, they Have to stick with Quinn.
I argue, that Quinn as a quarterback is less than Mcdonald as a cornerback.
Quinn can prove this wrong today, and Thursday, But that won't change the last 7 starts, or dozens of not good enough to starts, that cannot be ignored.
I need a flow chart or something...
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I was impressed with Quinn today. I don't think he is a top ten QB but I also don't think we need to spend a first day pick on a QB either.
It is going to take some time this year and ALL of training camp next year to get Quinn and his young receivers on the same page.
Take a safety in the first round and then fix the right side of the line and then we have a competitive team.
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I was impressed too. 7 tds and 0 picks in past three games don't lie. Like you I am not about to put him into the tope QBs in the league but he has been much better lately. And that's with second/third rate WRs and TEs.
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I was impressed too. 7 tds and 0 picks in past three games don't lie. Like you I am not about to put him into the tope QBs in the league but he has been much better lately. And that's with second/third rate WRs and TEs.
Why do you guys have to rank him? It's not a valid point of discussion at this time. The only thing we are looking for is if he can be the starter. Where he ranks against the other guys in the league right now is a discussion for later if he indeed does become the starter for the future.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I'd rather go with Quinn next year and shore up other positions on our team. He's starting to make some of the throws when he has time and seems to be seeing the field better. He does need to grow some eyes in the back of his head though.
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I was impressed too. 7 tds and 0 picks in past three games don't lie. Like you I am not about to put him into the tope QBs in the league but he has been much better lately. And that's with second/third rate WRs and TEs.
Why do you guys have to rank him? It's not a valid point of discussion at this time. The only thing we are looking for is if he can be the starter. Where he ranks against the other guys in the league right now is a discussion for later if he indeed does become the starter for the future.
Sorry I didn't even think I "ranked" him.
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I just see comments like 'I wouldn't put him in the top 10 or anything' ... and I'm just thinking to myself ... what difference does that make at this point? Because in order for it to be a discussion someone would actually have to believe he's a top 10 QB, and I don't think any sane person would.
Sorry, just one of those comments that created one of those reactions ... kinda like ... "huh?' ...
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I guess I was trying to say I don't think he will ever be a top ten QB but he showed me enough today to plan on keeping him as the starter until the rest of the team is fixed.
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I'd rather go with Quinn next year and shore up other positions on our team. He's starting to make some of the throws when he has time and seems to be seeing the field better.
I agree, Quin is showing improvement there are just so many other holes on the team
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Im with you on blount, I still think we need to adress the "D" more than the "O" tho....
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It's hard to judge any individual on our offense, especially Quinn when we only really have one guy, JT, that would be guaranteed to start for most other teams.....
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Stieny Mack and JT would all be starters on other teams.
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Stieny Mack and JT would all be starters on other teams.
I question whether Steinbach should be starting for the Browns, actually. If healthy, I would much rather have Hadnot than Steinbach at LG.
Steinbach has really fallen from where he was to right now, IMO.
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I don't see how anyone can be ready to give up on Quinn, yet.
He's finally starting to show signs of progressing. Build the team around him, trade DA. Let BQ be "The Guy" next year. If he doesn't continue to improve, the rest of our team is closer to being competitive, and then we can add another QB.
If he continues to improve, then you have your guy for the future.
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Stieny Mack and JT would all be starters on other teams.
I said MOST other teams.. not a few other teams. Steiny might start for half the teams, Mack probably less than half.. I also said GUARANTEED to start... How many teams do you think would take Mack unconditionally to start over their current center right now? My guess is the ones you could list are all bottom half teams. I like Mack, don't get me wrong I think he's going to be good... but at this early point in his career, not many good teams that I can think of would bring him in as a starter right now.
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Ever since T started pimping Jason Campbell I 've been watching him trying to understand what in the _ _ _ _ he is talking about. Yesterday there were quite a few times he looked like an NFL quarterback, until the inexcusable late 4th quarter INT.
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Stieny Mack and JT would all be starters on other teams.
I question whether Steinbach should be starting for the Browns, actually. If healthy, I would much rather have Hadnot than Steinbach at LG.
Steinbach has really fallen from where he was to right now, IMO.
While I've been critical of Stein, he's still a starter. Hadnot has been an absolute bum when he's played.
As for Quinn, yes, he's showing improvement, which is good. How much improvement can be debated.
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As for Quinn, yes, he's showing improvement, which is good. How much improvement can be debated.
Enough improvement to add some pieces around him next year, and give him a year of being "the guy"?
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As for Quinn, yes, he's showing improvement, which is good. How much improvement can be debated.
I agree with that.
I wouldn't name him the franchise QB just yet, but I think he has EARNED the chance to show if he can continue to improve.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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U want BQ to keep improving and get on a roll..it makes the draft easier to draw up ..
The Browns need to go BPA and either package lower picks or aquire two more high picks..and none of those should be used on a QB..but obvious holes..going BPA will fill those holes..
I see too many impact players available in late round one all the way to round three...thats where the Browns need to get another pick or two.
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I agree 100%.. the only 3 positions I wouldn't be looking at in this draft are LT, Returner, and QB... Not because I'm that certain that Quinn is "the guy" but because I would like to see us fill more holes and give him next year without looking over his shoulder... go BPA, move up if possible with the lower picks and fill at least 3 or 4 holes... then fill 1 or 2 more in FA and we might compete next year... compete for wins, not for playoffs.  Oh, sorry GM.. I wouldn't be looking for a long snapper either. 
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Quinn has 4 games to show more improvement and I'm really hoping he does. I have 2 questions though. How does Quinn's first 10 games compare to Campbell's first 10? And can Quinn still reach his incentives this year?
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I agree 100%.. the only 3 positions I wouldn't be looking at in this draft are LT, Returner, and QB... Not because I'm that certain that Quinn is "the guy" but because I would like to see us fill more holes and give him next year without looking over his shoulder... go BPA, move up if possible with the lower picks and fill at least 3 or 4 holes... then fill 1 or 2 more in FA and we might compete next year... compete for wins, not for playoffs.
Oh, sorry GM.. I wouldn't be looking for a long snapper either.
I agree with your entire draft strategy.
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As for Quinn, yes, he's showing improvement, which is good. How much improvement can be debated.
Enough improvement to add some pieces around him next year, and give him a year of being "the guy"?
As I said after the Detroit game, he needs to play well all the way out for me to have a change of opinion. His numbers looked good on Sunday but his performance apparently wasn't as good as the numbers. He also had a rather bad game against the Bengals.
There's five games left in the year. I don't have to see wins, and I don't have to see big numbers. But he's been in the league 3 years now, and he needs to make major strides these last games.
In his short career, Quinn has a pattern: He's looked ok against bad teams or vanilla defenses, but bad when faced with any kind of adversity. The Steelers are a beaten team right now, and Quinn will have the support of being at home for a primetime game.
I'm not expecting him to win. I'm not even asking for him to win. I do expect that if he's making the strides many of you believe he's making then he should show great improvement when facing the adversity of the Steelers defense. He doesn't have to win the game. All he has to do is show he's getting it. That means not taking a sack like he did last night when he stood in the pocket for twenty minutes. That means making accurate throws on swing routes to the flat, like he didn't do a couple of times last night. That means throwing the ball away if he has to. That means making accurate throws down the field into tight windows, something he hasn't been able to do yet as an NFL QB.
Expecting him to show maturity against the Steelers is not at all unreasonable. This game will go a long way into determining if he's here next year as the starter or not.
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