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Sorry if this is answered somewhere else, but have we ever gotten a reason from Mangenius as to why Robo is just sitting there watching games? How is the kid not playing to at least get experience?  I'm just confused how the most polished WR in the draft is not even getting scrap time in a season that is shot. And why can't we get any real answer?
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It's being discussed in the Pluto thread.
And I don't have the answer. Half the posters will tell you he sucks and the other half will tell you Mangini is has a problem with him and isn't letting him play.
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Only the same "Coach Speak" over and over.
There is something very wrong between the coaching staff and that kid. It always seemed strange when Linguini would say "Oh, well he's inactive 'cause he sucks at Special Teams." (What the h*** is that?!) But the kicker for me was seeing Alllen come to the team like the day before the Cincy game and he's playing. That just doesn't make any sense.
I used to feel sorry for Linguini and the way he's portrayed in the media. But the fact is that he does it to himself with this kind of crap. If you think that Robo is a bust, then say it. Draft busts happen all the time. To everyone. Don't give us this BS about "different players progress at different speeds." He was NFL ready by nearly all accounts. Lingunin doesn't speak frankly about the team and what he says doesn't groove with what's happening.
I can't stand the way he hides stuff from us. I hate the way he doesn't talk straight about players. I mean, where's Francies? How many times do we need to bench McDonald only to let him back into a game and watch him blow?
I wish someone in the media would call him out and say " Eric. That just doesn't make ANY sense!. Why would you require that a WR outperform @ ST? It's like saying we're going to sit Rogers until he shows us he can play Corner.
Something happened to make that kid's stock drop. Linguini just won't say what it is.
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Perhaps he wasn't as NFL-polished as one was led to believe,...he was as solid a WR in college as was to be had, but as we all know, that don't mean jack. Plus, it was obvious the selection was made to offset the impending Edwards move.
Now he's just pretty much trade bait.
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Just be nice if Mangini would just say here is why he isn't playing. I can't believe the media in Cleveland is not pushing this issue by now. Get an answer from him already.
I'm wondering if it is something very petty as others are speculating so he can't say why he's not playing...
No way some guy we picked up from another team's scraps should be playing ahead of our 2nd round pick.
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I doubt that highly. Something isn't working properly between the coach and player. Ohio State isn't exactly a wide open passing attack, but we have put out some very productive WRs, so it shouldn't be a huge transition to the NFL.
The language should be different, but a hook route is a hook route. A 20 yard in route is the same. You don't forget how to catch a ball, or run a route.
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Now he's just pretty much trade bait.
Huh? Who is trading for a kid that's basically never played in the NFL?
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I can't believe that.
I wasn't high on Robiskie. In fact, I was kind of peeved when we took him where we did.
But for him not to see the field given what we've trotted out there...he'd have to be lining up on the wrong side of the ball. I mean, really...how bad could he be to not see the field over what we've thrown out there?
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Huh? Who is trading for a kid that's basically never played in the NFL?
My point exactly,...so why isn't he playing ?
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I doubt that highly. Something isn't working properly between the coach and player. Ohio State isn't exactly a wide open passing attack, but we have put out some very productive WRs, so it shouldn't be a huge transition to the NFL
Playing for Ohio State doesn't make you NFL Ready... Great Athletes have come from EVERY COLLEGE, so therefore, it shouldn't be a huge transition for any of them.
Same Logic.
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That is correct. They do come from Every college. However, Not every program can send as many players as Ohio State does. This does not mean every player from Ohio State is good, but it does lend credibility to the program and the kids that come from there is all I was trying to say.
Especially when recent players from the same place come in and are productive. Hartline, Anthony Gonzalez, Malcolm Jenkins, Santonio Holmes to name a few. This would be a aberration to say that the game is too difficult for him to pick up. ESPECIALLY with his dad being a WR coach in the league.
So again, I call BS.
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We'll have to wait to see what happens in 2010, because it's evident, we are not going to get a answer for this kid in 2009.
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Yeah, something isn't adding up here. If it was clear cut, I'm sure Mangenius would have told us by now. But it's not so he can't. If it is just a vendetta against him and/or his dad, he obviously could not come out and say that.
If it was simple, then we would have heard by now.
This season is over and to not play these rookies is a huge mistake.
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Yeah, something isn't adding up here. If it was clear cut, I'm sure Mangenius would have told us by now. But it's not so he can't. If it is just a vendetta against him and/or his dad, he obviously could not come out and say that.
If it was simple, then we would have heard by now.
This season is over and to not play these rookies is a huge mistake.
The only thing that I don't get is why everyone thinks that Mangini would let a "vendetta" if one exist get in the way if Robskie could help win games.
Bottom Line, it's all about Winning Right now, and Mangini is not going to prevent that in any way, even if it means swallowing his pride over an imaginary "vendetta".
He wants to win, he wants a job in 2010.
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Mike Williams --> Dwayne Jarrett --> Brian Robiskie
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Just be nice if Mangini would just say here is why he isn't playing. I can't believe the media in Cleveland is not pushing this issue by now. Get an answer from him already.
I'm wondering if it is something very petty as others are speculating so he can't say why he's not playing...
No way some guy we picked up from another team's scraps should be playing ahead of our 2nd round pick.
This isn't like a qb deal....Mangini doesn't owe explanations on why this guy doesn't start and that guy does.
I am sure Robiskie knows why he isn't starting, and that is all that is needed.
And really, who needs an explanation..the guy must not be playing better than the guys in front of him.
If Mangini needs to do any explaining, it would be why we drafted the guy in the first place, but it is too early to ask that question. Got to give it another year or two.
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If it is just a vendetta against him and/or his dad, he obviously could not come out and say that.
A vendetta??
Be real here for crying out loud....we didn't draft the guy in the 2nd round just so we could put the screws to anybody named Robiskie.
Geesh
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If it is just a vendetta against him and/or his dad, he obviously could not come out and say that.
A vendetta??
Be real here for crying out loud....we didn't draft the guy in the 2nd round just so we could put the screws to anybody named Robiskie.
Geesh
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If it is just a vendetta against him and/or his dad, he obviously could not come out and say that.
A vendetta??
Be real here for crying out loud....we didn't draft the guy in the 2nd round just so we could put the screws to anybody named Robiskie.
Geesh
I am real - taking some info from the pluto thread.
From today's "Hey Tony" (Grossi) column in the Plain Dealer, FWIW:
Hey, Tony: What do YOU think is the reason Brian Robiskie is sitting on the pines? From what I saw at Ohio State he had great hands and ran great routes. Who are the position coaches that supposedly teach players how to get open and catch the ball? Who coaches them on tackling? Are these guys on staff? -- Don Pesich, Worthington, Ohio
Hey, Don: I've heard different reasons but none seems plausible on their own. Such as: Mangini was put off by Robiskie signing sponsorship deals in training camp before he had proven anything. Another one is that Mangini considered Robiskie's father, Terry, a driving force in the controversy surrounding the 10-hour bus trip to Mangini's football camp in Hartford, Conn. Another one is that Robiskie's transition to the pro game has just been a struggle. I don't know if any or all of these factors are contributing. These are just the reasons I've heard.
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And really, who needs an explanation..the guy must not be playing better than the guys in front of him.
we'd all like to think this was true, peen, but to put a guy who's been on the team for roughly one practice on the field ahead of a guy you drafted 3 picks out of the first round is clearly sending a message. Robo must have contradicted him in front of the team or called him a nameor something to that effect.
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j/c Politics? I don't think so. My guess is Robo, Veikune and the Browns talent evaluation just suck. 
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From today's "Hey Tony" (Grossi) column in the Plain Dealer, FWIW:
Hey, Tony: What do YOU think is the reason Brian Robiskie is sitting on the pines? From what I saw at Ohio State he had great hands and ran great routes. Who are the position coaches that supposedly teach players how to get open and catch the ball? Who coaches them on tackling? Are these guys on staff? -- Don Pesich, Worthington, Ohio
Hey, Don: I've heard different reasons but none seems plausible on their own. Such as: Mangini was put off by Robiskie signing sponsorship deals in training camp before he had proven anything. Another one is that Mangini considered Robiskie's father, Terry, a driving force in the controversy surrounding the 10-hour bus trip to Mangini's football camp in Hartford, Conn. Another one is that Robiskie's transition to the pro game has just been a struggle. I don't know if any or all of these factors are contributing. These are just the reasons I've heard.
It will never be confirmed but if Grossi is saying this I would say that there is something going on, will we ever know the truth highly unlikely.
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Well, if the struggles I saw him go through in training camp are persisting to this day, I can see why he's not on the field. I don't think the game is too hard for him to grasp mentally. I think his problems are physical. All training camp he struggled to get off the line against press coverage and he couldn't consistently gain separation in 1-1 dirlls with our DBs (which is pretty telling IMO). You aren't going to be a #1 or #2 wideout if you can't accomplish those two things.
So, if you aren't good enough to be our #1 or #2 WR AND you can't (or won't) play special teams, guess what: you'll be inactive on gamedays. ::shrug::
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His hands are too good to be playing on this team. Our goal is to teach the QB to throw the ball in a Needle - how would we be able to do that if we got a WR who could do both...adjust to the ball and Catch it 
yeah of course sarcasm...but I'm not in a very good mood and how does the Most Ready WR from the draft not be ready??? MoMas seems to be in a route funk right now and there is little communication going on.
We obviously aren't playing to win...not with some of the calls I saw with us down 16-7 late in the half and needing a score. We seem to be playing for ONE THING and ONE THING ONLY...No Turnovers!  Maybe Robo has fumbled the ball in practice????
All I know is I liked what I saw in one of his few plays...Ok, so he lost his bearings on the Side Line...but he made a nice play on the ball...WENT AND GOT IT and showed some soft hands in the process. Why not MORE????
I'd like to see MoMas #1, Robo #2 and Stuckey in the slot for the rest of the season! Get these guys use to the game let them work it out on the practice field with BQ get some communication and for CRYING OUT LOUD let them play and NOT TO BE AFRAID TO PLAY...LET THEM JUST PLAY THE GAME!!!
I really like Stuckey btw...hehe...he might rationalize the trade of BE by himself when this is all said n done 
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yeah of course sarcasm...but I'm not in a very good mood and how does the Most Ready WR from the draft not be ready??? MoMas seems to be in a route funk right now and there is little communication going on.
U and I agree ..there's something not right here..could it still be that he is not playing lights out on ST's?????
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Don't get your hopes up..you liked the acquistion of Estandia and he's doing nothing more than taking up a roster spot.
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I was listening to some Browns radio chat this morning and the subject of Robo not playing came up...
...the discussion touched on a reason Robo might be in Mangini's doghouse...it seems that Robo's special teams play might have something to do with him not getting much playing time as WR.
What the story is behind those comments, has not been made public yet. It was pointed out that Mangini has rookie center Kevin Mack playing on special teams as a blocker for kickoff receiving. I have not checked to see if Robo is on any of the special teams. Maybe his play on special teams is not very good or Robo is not fond of playing special teams at all...who knows for sure.
IMO, it's dumb that Robo is not seeing some playing time, especially since the team is 1-10 and experience gained this season could benefit Robo and the team next year.
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Yea.. Mangini mentioned something like that in his presser. He needs to carve a role out and make a better "case" for more playing time. I guess using a roster spot on game day without being able to excel on "teams" is too much wasted space for Gini considering all the talent he would have to make inactive to make room for Robiskie. 
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"you liked the acquistion of Estandia"
Please give me a little more credit than that.
When I show some enthusiasm about a UDFA - if you note nowhere did I call him a stud. I'm just wondering out loud if he could indeed become a Diamond in the rough find. Thats all - to put my credibility on the line cause I showed some enthusiasm about a 6'8" TE that didn't look Gawkish with his size on a team NEEDING ANYTHING POSITIVE...then sue me.
Talking about an overall 36 pick in the draft is another thing all together.
Attack and Mack...its when I read stuff like that is when I shake my head and wonder if Mangini must go. If it truly is about his ST play then I must question his judgment cause its not like the Offense is all set and not struggling...But IT IS and if Robo could be a difference maker and make this thing click easier...I just don't get it. Unless it was an out right defiance thing, I don't see how Mangini can justify it.
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I didn't notice Jake Allen on ST's this past weekend. How does Mangini know he can play, he just showed up last week?
Marcus Benard, Coye Francies, Alex Hall, Chris Jennings, Gerard Lawson, David Veikune, Corey Hilliard (PS), Pat Murray (PS), and of course Robo should all be playing each and every week. You gotta know if these guys can play. If they sit on the sidelines watching in street clothes you will never know!
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Its pretty obvious that Robiskie has not done well enough in practice to warrant playing time.
Reading the boards there is plenty of speculation as to why he doesn't play. Some think Mangini has it out for him---which is ludicrous. Some say that he drops too many balls, or that he has poor upper body strength and struggles against press coverage---I think this came out during TC. Then there is the whole ST thing.
In reality, I think that his performance in practice---doing all these things, has taken away playing time. And Mangini has said this, he said that he isn't ready yet. And not being ready is a combination of all these things. ST is obviously his best chance--cuz ANYONE can play ST. So if he beats an undrafted guy out---then that is his best chance to see the field.
Right now, I think he still has to grow a little bit to get on the field at WR. I think this b/c Mangini has said pretty much the same thing.
I don't see why this is sooo hard to accept.
Oh yea, I know why!!
Cuz everyone in Clevelnad is smarter than the head coach and they would definitely play their second round pick, if for no other reason then to see what he's got.
But in the NFL, there is a time calle PRACTICE where players make their case for play time. And good coaches make their players prove to them, that they should see the field come game time. You don't stick a guy out there just b/c of where he was drafted, or b/c of what school he came from, or b/c what his name is; you play the guys that show you that they are the best fit. The guys that have shown consistently in practice that they are the best option at their position.
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I find it interesting..even though some will say otherwise..something isn't right..and I doubt it's just that Robo/Viekune/Francies are bad practice players..
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Either way you break it down, Mangini has egg on his face.
Either he's not playing the kid for ridiculous reasons, and he looks stupid.
Or he spent the #36 pick on a WR who's so bad he can't get on the field over practice squad players, and he looks stupid.
I'd venture to guess it's a combination of both...although I'd expect the former to hold more validity. (I was against drafting Robo and don't think he'll amount to much in the pros...but there's no way he can be that bad).
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So you now agree.. for the record, A. Mack is the best center we have based on the performance he's displayed to coaches. Period.
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I agree. When a street player comes in and is active week 1, but our 2nd round draft picks aren't then there is something more going on than just lack of talent from the 2nd round picks.
I think there is probably some legitimacy to the STs reports, but even that in itself seems like a reach. Something else is going on here, and whether it's Mangini's fault or Robo's is something I don't know.............I mean I can't fault Gini if Robo is just flat out defiant, but I can if it's something as stupid as his old man turning Gini in to the NFLPA for the "trip".
Who knows, but something is up more than just talent imo.
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Mangini's new presser regarding Robiskie and his playing time confuses me... He says something to the nature that he would be the 5th WR with MoMass being the #1, Furrey can play D, Stuckey in the slot, and Cribbs dominating Special Teams... SO WHO THE FREAK IS THE 2nd WR MANGINI!!!??? PLAY THE MAN!!! He talked about he would have to have a role, and it would be hard to create a role for him... Aren't you the head coach? Aren't you suppose to figure out ways to put your best players out on the field? OMG!!!  THis guy is an idiot, and its becoming somewhat obvious that he is holding some type of grudge with this guy.
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I don't think we will know exactly what we have in Robo until Mangini is gone. If next season he still can't get on the field with a new coach then I would put that on him.
However like someone else pointed out. It's a black eye for Mangini either way. Either he isn't playing the best players or he screwed up the draft.
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If he actually said he'd have to have a role..being the #2 WR is his role.
Big Willie ,we'll probably find out in the offseason..I doubt if Robo says anything..in his interviews he keeps saying he'll do whatever he has to..can't go on anything else..who knows.
What I do know,I'm tired of the weird things that happen on this bad team..
These same 3 rookies can't get on the field..yet as you said off the street guys are being brought in and played...
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What I do know,I'm tired of the weird things that happen on this bad team..
Tacker...Isn't that the truth...why does weird crap happen so often in Cleveland?
Any HC "in his right mind" would be playing his young players, especially the ones "he drafted".
I'm beginning to think that Mangini is the weirdest duck the Browns have ever had as HC.
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