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I'm beginning to think that Mangini is the weirdest duck the Browns have ever had as HC.
I agree wholeheartedly. Hall look like he studded out in camp and preseaon. He plays well om STs, yet he is inactive or standing on the sidelines while Marcus Bernard comes off the practice squad and gets playing time.
Harrison improves his blocking, makes plays on STs, produces while on offense, I actually believe he had the highest yardage for a game this year, yet he is standing on the sidelines. He was inactive after mentioning in an interview about his playing time.
Francies played very good in camp and preseason. He even did good on STs in preseason, yet he can'rt get playing time while McDonald, or even worse yet Poteat are beaten constantly.
Fraley plays RG and makes the line calls in one of the best offensive games we had all year. He is clearly the best guy at RG, yet little playing time as a starter.
Mangini, who as I said before, I liked at first for his disipline and talk of accountability, is a freaking nutcase. His constant droning on and on about the "process" is getting comical. I truly believe now that this guy is a power hungry fool. A "I'm the boss don't cross me" personality that is holding grudges against players that speak their mind. The press needs to keep calling him out on these idiotic decisions. Call a spade a spade, the man is on a power trip and the team winning has little importance in his "process".
For all we know, this jerk might be willing to take all these losses so he can trade all the high picks we have to move down and fill the rest of the roster with ST players and cast offs who he likes personally.
I say F the smart "role" players, fire this dumbass and bring in somebody who wants talent not teachers.
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He was inactive after mentioning in an interview about his playing time.
I agree with most of your post...but this? 
His blocking has not improved.
And as to why he was inactive? You'd have to ask Mangini...but if it were up to me, I wouldn't have let him dress either.
And it would have nothing to do with interview comments, and everything to do with letting a linebacker take Quinn's head off. And I don't mean 'missed the block'. Harrison saw the guy coming, initially set himself, and then completely bailed.
I don't know if he's a puss or hates BQ or what...but it was absolutely disgusting. I was completely shocked, and to be honest I wouldn't have faulted Mangini if he had cut him the next day.
I can't say that's why he was inactive...but it's a good bet.
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I don't like how Harrison is being used as a 3rd down back. He has good running skills. He has performed well when given a significant amount of carries.
He cannot block. At all.
He's best for the team on 1st and 2nd down. He's pretty much a liability on 3rd down. Why is he on the bench on 1st and 2nd then back on the field on third? Why put him and the team in a position where he/they are likely to fail? I don't get it.
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I have NEVER seen this organization have confidence in any of the players drafted outside of the 2nd round... That saddens me... You draft guys who you think can help your team, but then all of a sudden think they will be a risk if you put them on the field? 
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I have NEVER seen this organization have confidence in any of the players drafted outside of the 2nd round...
Thats a exaggeration(there have been some players outside of round 2 that were good), however maybe if they actually evaluated better and listened to scouts, they'd have better players after the second round.
Now I understand what EM was looking at in this draft..he wanted smart players..however I think every coach that has been here has had a failing with looking at one asset in a player and disregarding other intangibles,which in turn made them overlook more obvious choices..
With Botch it was speed..not really sure what Rac wanted..I think he just wanted veterans..
Supposedly all of the picks have brains..but are they true ballers??
If 3 of these guys can't see the field and all the coach says is that they have to try harder and get a role...what is it he wants from them?
Viekune I can see..moving from DE to ILB is a huge switch..but the kid needs to get some experience..a few plays in situations where he isn't expected to do much isn't going to hurt...
Francies...I don't know what the heck Manpolen wants him to do...guess thats a practice thing...
Robo..once again, I don't know..just going on the things EM has said..which makes it look like he isn't getting it or he isn't trying hard enough..or he wants him to do things that are stunting him..
They guy was supposed to be one of the fundamentally sound WR's to come out, so whats up?
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I don't like how Harrison is being used as a 3rd down back. He has good running skills. He has performed well when given a significant amount of carries.
He cannot block. At all.
He's best for the team on 1st and 2nd down. He's pretty much a liability on 3rd down. Why is he on the bench on 1st and 2nd then back on the field on third? Why put him and the team in a position where he/they are likely to fail? I don't get it.
That's it....use your players for what they CAN do and HELP you win games. Harrison is no starter but he IS the best RUNNER we have right now....Mangini is so detail obsessed and is just trying hard to bring some comical "messages across" and always was known to be a power egomaniac...and his players are walking on eggshells because of it: no fun or instinctiveness playing the game...that's what was being reported out of NY and now here...I feel bad for whoever actually tought he'd learn from his experience at the age around 40 after getting a new job with more power...we actually see the contrary, just what I feared....he is being even MORE of a nutjob
It's really funny for me right now reading the board, with guys who used to bash my comments now saying the same things about EM, player evaluation, draft class, FA aquisitions etc .... lots of spineless Manginis running around here
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It's really funny for me right now reading the board, with guys who used to bash my comments now saying the same things about EM, player evaluation, draft class, FA aquisitions etc .... lots of spineless Manginis running around here
Once more U sound too much like Vers..wanting to pat yerself..
I'll let anyone else speak for themself, but I think most wanted to see the product and the plan..I told U why I popped U when I did..I wasn't calling the picks busts until I saw them play..and if you care to remember I never said I was excited about the picks..I said and still say they were complimentary players on a team with no stars.
I wasn't going to bash EM until I had a chance to see what he was doing..I remember telling Diam I wasn't going to give him a free pass on the draft and FA..
I needed to see for myself what he did and how it played out..instead of dismantling him before things played out..Heck I gave Botch a chance but I made comments along the way..same here..
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It was more of a general comment Attack...you've been fair for the most part and gave me less personal BS than other son here did and still do. Even though I don't like opinions after the fact, I could read between the lines of your posts...
As to the product on the field: I saw the draftees playing (except Veikune); I saw the FA playing and I saw EM coaching
I know it's a FAN message board and it's not about being right or wrong....and I get the cheerleading....but it was like not being allowed to have a negative opinion when EM started here...like: hey, it's a fresh start, we are all excited...the new boot camp HC after Camp Crennel, wohoo...meanwhile the empirical data of EM, FAs he brought in, Daboll and draftees (for those who follow College Football) was CLEARLY pointing to the BIG FAIL JOB we are in now
We are all diehards and I'm not happy to have written what I thought but it was my honest opinion and I'm never afraid of making predictions based on what I know....lots of even good posters are too afraid to make any, always letting a backdoor open (like Toad, who is maybe the most gifted rhetorician around here....and that's no diss, I respect and always read his stuff)....just call a spade a spade when you see one
I just hate when people think my crticism is based on nothing and I'm on an agenda...that's BS, there was enough data on most involved in this horrible season
oh, and on Robo...as I said in my earlier post: he will bust....mediocre #2 poss-WR was his upside (enough reason to NOT draft somebody like this at #36) and I just don't see even that with him...and yes, I don't need 2 more years to see that..I saw him at OSU in preseason (giving up on plays: the CHI INT, he didn't fight for inside position ie) and in the couple games he was active he looked like a slow footed #5 WR getting 0 separation....put a fork in him and move on....I really have more hope for this Allen kid, maybe 1 of the rare spots I agree with EM (or whoever is calling ths shots now)
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I just hate when people think my crticism is based on nothing and I'm on an agenda You'll realize as I did a while back..I don't worry about those who think my smacks are based on nothing...or those who actually do have agendas .. oh, and on Robo...as I said in my earlier post: he will bust....mediocre #2 poss-WR was his upside (enough reason to NOT draft somebody like this at #36) and I just don't see even that with him...and yes, I don't need 2 more years to see that.. If a rookie plays enough I can usually tell what he's going to do ...I thought Robo is more of a slot /3rd down reciever..
Again a compliment player ...now I still stand by what I said draft day..if you're going to trade Brayless at some point,(how's he doing anyway? ) you get the best WR in the draft you can.
That was blown.
But this whole fiasco is why Mangini will not be touching the 2010 draft at all.
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"I just hate when people think my crticism is based on nothing and I'm on an agenda."
Actually it was... 
you are still wrong about Mack n Conner Barwin btw.
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If EM was willing to let Cribbs get his head handed to him on a play that meant nothing to final outcome because EM "is competitive", then I would think if Robo has anything to offer as a player, he would be out there unless he did something detrimental. Robo either sucks or EM is making sure a serious punishment is being understood.
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you are still wrong about Mack n Conner Barwin btw.
I'd still rather have Barwin if I had to chose between those 2...I saw a lot of IND-HOU this sunday and Barwin sacked Manning, which isn't easy to do...they have Mario and A.Smith (FA from the Cards)...pretty good DE-combo...he's #3 already (unlike some WR or DE/ILB/OLB on our roster) at DE and getting more and more playing time...he just had his 20th or so overall game as a defender in his CAREER...and he managed to sack Manning, completely ate up the OT...
It's a shame it's not on the highlights on nfl.com...but at 1:56 you can see him once again dominating the Colts LT...he applied pressure on a fade pass play....even on the TD on the next play, he recognized the play and jumped up but Manning threw a beauty
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009112903/2009/REG12/colts@texans#tab:watch
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If EM was willing to let Cribbs get his head handed to him on a play that meant nothing to final outcome because EM "is competitive", then I would think if Robo has anything to offer as a player, he would be out there unless he did something detrimental. Robo either sucks or EM is making sure a serious punishment is being understood.
Quinn, not Mangini, made the call to "keep the ball alive" on the last play against the Ravens.
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I have NEVER seen this organization have confidence in any of the players drafted outside of the 2nd round...
That saddens me...
You draft guys who you think can help your team, but then all of a sudden think they will be a risk if you put them on the field?
Suggs, Vickers, Cribbs, LB's Taylor, Davis, the bum that's riding the bench next to Thompson in Houston, Leon Williams, who was relegated to the UFL. McDonald, who has proven to not be a starter.
I could go on, but the point is made: Our middle-rounders aren't out there because we haven't shown confidence in them, but rather because they essentially were failed draft selections.
Sad, but true.
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the bum that's riding the bench next to Thompson in Houston,
Who is that?
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If I could have remembered his name, I wouldn't have written it that way *L*
I think he played at Northwestern but I"m too lazy to look it up. He went to Seattle before going to Houston..........
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You're killin' me *L*
Now I had to look it up............Kevin Bentley.
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OOOOOOOOooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! Yeah............. I remember him now 
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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He played at Syracuse though...lol. Either way he was and is a stiff though..........good STer though so Mangini would find a "role" for him I'm sure 
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Nah, saw it actually was Northwestern. I think I read he has 14 tackles and Chumpson has 5.
Yeah, we should reacquire these guys. Mangini would play'em for sure!
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You're still kicking froggy..Bentley is still in the NFL???
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My fault.........could have sworn he played at the Cuse.
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No fault  If there is any, it's because my faulty memory couldn't think of his name, hehe.
I remember his position, his school, and the two teams he went to after we let him walk...........but I couldn't remember his name. *L*
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Brian Robiskie catches Daboll's attention: Browns Insider
By Mary Kay Cabot
December 05, 2009, 3:45AM
Rookie receiver Brian Robiskie stood out in practice this week and may have earned his way back onto the active list after two weeks in street clothes.
Last week, Robiskie took a backseat to newcomer Jake Allen, a second-year player who was claimed off waivers from the Packers on Nov. 18 after spending most of the season on Green Bay's practice squad.
"[Allen] had a better practice and he was out there," said offensive coordinator Brian Daboll. "This week, Brian's had a good week of practice so we'll see where that gets him. He had a good day [Friday]. He made a lot of plays out there in the passing game. Most of them were on the show team, but all that stuff counts. He was running around and plucking the ball pretty well, so we'll see where he's at come our Saturday night meeting."
Daboll said Robiskie's maintained a good attitude despite his lack of opportunities. The 36th overall pick, Robiskie has only one catch for 23 yards and has been inactive four times.
"I told him the other day, 'Look, there are times where I get yelled at and my first thought is [forget] that guy, but you take a step back and you think about it and they're just trying to get you better," said Daboll. "You take it in stride and you move on and you have a good attitude. That's what I told him. I think [Friday] he really let loose. He had fun out there, which was good."'''"
Holmgren back to Seahawks? Mike Holmgren wants to talk to the Seahawks about coming back, the Associated Press reported. Seattle's former coach and one-time general manager said Friday during his semi-weekly radio show in Seattle that he'd like to talk to Seahawks owner Paul Allen and chief executive officer Tod Leiweke about becoming the team's GM and perhaps president.
Those titles became vacant on Thursday when the Seahawks forced Tim Ruskell to resign weeks before his five-year contract was to end.
"Absolutely, I would like to talk to them," the AP quoted Holmgren as saying on KJR AM.
The Browns and Buffalo are two other teams that have been linked to interest in Holmgren, who hasn't decided whether he wants to come back as a coach or as an executive. Other teams could be angling for him, too.
None have the inherent advantages present in Seattle, where Holmgren still owns a home, where his family is now rooted -- and where Holmgren still has experience with and detailed knowledge of the roster.
Rogers fined: Browns nose tackle Shaun Rogers, who's out for the season with a lower leg injury, was fined $7,500 by the NFL on Friday for using the "horse-collar technique" to yank Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer to the ground.
Rogers was flagged 15 yards for the offense, which set up Shayne Graham's 53-yard field goal with no time left on the clock in the first half.
Mangini vents: Daboll said coach Eric Mangini "got on" the team after a flat Wednesday practice. "They responded well," said Daboll. "He's not like a huge yeller or a rant or anything like that. He clearly lays out what his expectations are. If it's a slower practice or if it's not up-tempo or if it's not as energized as he'd like it, he's a man about it. He says, 'Look, this isn't going to get it done. Here's what we're going to do.' They're excited to play and they're professionals."
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catches Daboll's attemtion? how long has Robo been on the team, a week?
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Brian Daboll says..."This week, Brian's had a good week of practice so we'll see where that gets him."...
You have to love how Mangini operates...the fans and media start asking why Robiskie is not on the football field, pointing out that it was Mangini's judgement, to draft Robiskie, and the guy can't even get on the field. I heard one radio calling for Mangini's head for obviously wasting a second round pick on Robiskie, claiming it was obvious that Robo was a bust, because he can't get on the field and has not even been active for recent games.
My guess is, Mangini has been listening to the radio...lol.
But what does Mangini do?...he sends Daboll out with a story that makes it look like it's been Daboll's choice whether Robiski plays or not. Mangini tells Daboll to get under the bus and under the bus Daboll crawls..lol.
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I didn't know Daboll made the roster decisions.
hot...exactly the point...lol
Got to love how Mangini delegates authority...lol. 
Does Mangini really believe the fans and media are going to buy this story?...not me...
Daboll, your under the bus from now until the end of the season...better get used to it.
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He's like that jerk from the Titanic movie who grabs the baby to save his life and get on a rescue boat when the Titanic was sinking ...anything to save his @%%
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You have to love how Mangini operates...the fans and media start asking why Robiskie is not on the football field, pointing out that it was Mangini's judgement, to draft Robiskie, and the guy can't even get on the field. I heard one radio calling for Mangini's head for obviously wasting a second round pick on Robiskie, claiming it was obvious that Robo was a bust, because he can't get on the field and has not even been active for recent games.
My guess is, Mangini has been listening to the radio...lol.
But what does Mangini do?...he sends Daboll out with a story that makes it look like it's been Daboll's choice whether Robiski plays or not. Mangini tells Daboll to get under the bus and under the bus Daboll crawls..lol.
This guy would sell out his own mother. Seriously.
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He's in full blown survival mode!
The ship is taking on serious water and the damage control is consuming all his thought!
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"[Allen] had a better practice and he was out there," said offensive coordinator Brian Daboll. "This week, Brian's had a good week of practice so we'll see where that gets him. He had a good day [Friday]. He made a lot of plays out there in the passing game. Most of them were on the show team, but all that stuff counts. He was running around and plucking the ball pretty well, so we'll see where he's at come our Saturday night meeting."
Daboll said Robiskie's maintained a good attitude despite his lack of opportunities. The 36th overall pick, Robiskie has only one catch for 23 yards and has been inactive four times.
"I told him the other day, 'Look, there are times where I get yelled at and my first thought is [forget] that guy, but you take a step back and you think about it and they're just trying to get you better," said Daboll. "You take it in stride and you move on and you have a good attitude. That's what I told him. I think [Friday] he really let loose. He had fun out there, which was good."'''"
Yeah right..more BS..now it's Dunboll speaking..Manpolen's keystone cop trying to insult everyone's intelligence..
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Continuity be damned!!!
The sooner these donkeys depart Cleveland the sooner we can attempt to start revision number whichever!
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"We have the right leader in Eric [Mangini]. I know you have the right coordinator in me," Ryan said. "If they want to do something else, they'd have to hire two [dang] coaches to be better than us.
No mention of Daboll, lol
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[colorr:yellow] You have to love how Mangini operates...the fans and media start asking why Robiskie is not on the football field, pointing out that it was Mangini's judgement, to draft Robiskie, and the guy can't even get on the field. I heard one radio calling for Mangini's head for obviously wasting a second round pick on Robiskie, claiming it was obvious that Robo was a bust, because he can't get on the field and has not even been active for recent games.
My guess is, Mangini has been listening to the radio...lol.
But what does Mangini do?...he sends Daboll out with a story that makes it look like it's been Daboll's choice whether Robiski plays or not. Mangini tells Daboll to get under the bus and under the bus Daboll crawls..lol.
Sounds about right.
You have to appreciate Mangini's "reasons" for doing anything he does for the transparency of his BS when he explains it. Like you said, this time he gets Daboll to cover his ass and be the BS'er for him.
So Robo will play. If he runs crisp routes and catches everything thrown to him Mangini will make it sound like Robo learned all this the past week in practice. Eleven games into the season and finally Robo has a good practice?
Robo was billed by everyone as the most polished reciever in the draft. Not the best receiver, but the most polished. A little slow but runs good routes, knows how to get open and consistently catches the ball. But he gets here, has none of that and can't see the field?
It sure begs for the thought that there has been a completely different reason all along that he hasn't played and that the reason may have nothing to do with playing football.
I've got to agree mac... you sure gotta love how Mangini operates.
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My guess is, Mangini has been listening to the radio...lol.
But what does Mangini do?...he sends Daboll out with a story that makes it look like it's been Daboll's choice whether Robiski plays or not. Mangini tells Daboll to get under the bus and under the bus Daboll crawls..lol.
That's a helluva lot of suppositions and assumptions........
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But the way things have been going on around here and the idiotic explanations for why decisions have been made it sounds plausible.
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