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That's a helluva lot of suppositions and assumptions........
Which I'm sure you have never done! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Mike Williams --> Dwayne Jarrett --> Brian Robiskie
Tall possession-WR with separation issues --> big school --> huge busts
How the blank can you label this player a bust if he has not played any in the league. It may be possible it is an injury or even an illness that stops the playing time, and this somehow should be kept from the public for some reason.
This is just speculation,
but, even Corey Dillon was a bust the first four weeks of his rookie season because he was coming off an injury, then he set the rookie single game rushing record 170 yards later that year.
Robiskie is a Question mark, but the problem is the players who ARE taking the field and how they are being used.
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This is just speculation,
and my post was my opinion...and I at least gave some parallels..not mere speculation, yeah he's injured...if he was, he would be on the injury report....have you seen Jarrett on the field? No, because he isn't as "good" or NFL-ready" as advertised
Look I don't want him to be a bust..but if he can't get playing time on the worst receiving group EVER ASSEMBLED, than I happen to think that he isn't all that. A Waiver pickup overtook him on the depth chart: that's basically admitting that he's only on the team because he's a 2nd rounder, hence admitting the bust
Of course it could be something completely different and unimaginable...but I doubt it
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This is just speculation,
but if he can't get playing time on the worst receiving group EVER ASSEMBLED
ok....you know I cannot help myself when you use hyperbole. I would say this is not even the worst WR group assembled THIS season.
Look at the Raiders
(receptions/yards/TDs)
Heyward-Bey (9/124/1) vs. MoMass(26/485/1)
Well, Heyward-Bey would beat MoMass in a foot race. So he's got that going for him, which is nice. Other than that, MoMass is just plain better.
Schilens(7/100/0) vs. Furrey(23/170/0)
Both have been big disappointments this season...though Furrey has played some defense. Let's call this a wash despite better #'s from Furrey.
Murphy(19/283/2) vs. Stuckey(21/251/2)
Both are young. Both have put up nearly identical numbers. Murphy has a little bit more burst (what Raider player isn't fast), but Stuckey is a bit better going over the middle. Another wash.
Higgens(6/49/0) vs. Cribbs(17/117/1)
Cribbs gives us returns, ST coverage, the wildcat, and, even with all that....is still a better WR than the waste that is John Lee Higgens. This guy is terrible, just horrible (routes, hands, even blocking) and I never understood why some people like him.
Robiskie vs. JaVon Walker
and Robiskie not playing is better than paying huge $$$ to JaVon Walker to not play, so we beat them there too 
So, by my count, we win 3-0-2. 
If you want to include TE (which they obviously win with Zach Miller who is one of my favorite underrated players)....then it's 3-1-2.
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Finally... Robo got some pt!! and he did something with it.. almost had a TD at the end of the game w/ some luck.
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It's like the staff suddenly said, "Oh yeah, we did draft another WR"!
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Finally... Robo got some pt!! and he did something with it.. almost had a TD at the end of the game w/ some luck.
I bet it's only because of that great week of practice.... 
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the groveling he had to do like Harrison the week before to get out of Manpolean's doghouse
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I think we have two receivers who could end up giving us a solid unit. If Mass and Robo mature as they should, we can build some talent around Quinn (or whoever our QB is). Then all we need is a running back, tight end (not ready to anoint Moore the savior there), a right guard, and a right tackle.  On offense.
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We still need another receiver....not sure MoMass and Robo are #1 and #2...in some order they are #2 and #3's....bring in a solid veteran and then wait until 2011 when all the studs come out (Floyd, J. Jones, Green, etc)
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Mass is a 2nd round draft pick rookie, with 500+ yards, with 4 games left. He can be a #1, and we haven't seen enough of Robo to suggest he can't be at least a #2. Today he looked like he can be.
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Mass has shown absolutely nothing to indicate he could be a #1 type receiver for a contender.
1. He has ok size, but not great size.
2. He has ok speed, but not great speed.
3. He has avg/below avg hands.
4. He runs avg/below avg routes.
5. He gets out of his breaks avg/below avg.
6. He doesn't break tackles
7. He doesn't adjust well to deep balls in the air
8. He doesn't come back to the ball.
9. He likes to catch the ball with his body.
There is nothing that says #1 on this guy at all. I would like it to be true but it isn't.
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At the beginning of the radio broadcast today,Jum Donovan said Robiske had struggled in practice because he tried to do everything perfectly, and got down on himself when he didn't. Instead of letting his ability show. he was holding himself back by overthinking everything.
Ironically, there was a comment about Quinn on TV where the announcers stated that Quinn and Mangini had a sit down, and Manginin told Quinnn something along the lines of: You know the offense, now you just have to trust in that knowledge and in your teammates.
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Mass has shown absolutely nothing to indicate he could be a #1 type receiver for a contender.
1. He has ok size, but not great size.
2. He has ok speed, but not great speed.
3. He has avg/below avg hands.
4. He runs avg/below avg routes.
5. He gets out of his breaks avg/below avg.
6. He doesn't break tackles
7. He doesn't adjust well to deep balls in the air
8. He doesn't come back to the ball.
9. He likes to catch the ball with his body.
There is nothing that says #1 on this guy at all. I would like it to be true but it isn't.
We had a number one and what did he do??
You don't need a TRUE #1 to win games in this league..
ie New York Giants.
ie Pittsburgh Steelers.
ie Philadelphia Eagles.
Stop hatin on my boy. He is doing okay to be a rookie in this league.
What we really need to be focusing on is this offensive line, and how we can destroy and rebuild the right side to help improve the running game.
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We still need another receiver....not sure MoMass and Robo are #1 and #2...in some order they are #2 and #3's....bring in a solid veteran and then wait until 2011 when all the studs come out (Floyd, J. Jones, Green, etc)
I agree with wojo here... Not going to take Bryant with a top-3 pick and the best players in this draft are defensive. Should be able to get a stud rt and rg at the tops of rds 2 and 3. if somehow graham is there at the top of 2 we take him and use our two 3s for rt and rg.
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He's a rookie who had like 140 yards in a single game. He has over 500 yards on the season with virtually no one to throw him the ball and no other receiving targets.
Those there are signs that he can be a number one receiver.
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I'm not bangin on the guy. But when I read something like he could be a number 1 WR in this league, there's nothing to back that up. At all. If you want to go into stats I could bury your arguement quickly. Here's just one. He has a grand total of 3 games with more than 2! catches. And two of those games he had 5 catches. Am I missing something? 
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But when I read something like he could be a number 1 WR in this league, there's nothing to back that up. At all.
I think the jury is still out. Depending on how we build the team, he could be a #1 in the Santonio Holmes mode. He's not a legit #1, but he is for the Steelers.
MoMass doesn't seem to possess #1 talent, but I think he'd make a great #2.
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I'm not saying he's a number one like a Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson. A good team doesn't need to have that type of receiver. He has shown the potential to be a legit receiver.
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At the beginning of the radio broadcast today,Jum Donovan said Robiske had struggled in practice because he tried to do everything perfectly, and got down on himself when he didn't. Instead of letting his ability show. he was holding himself back by overthinking everything.
I don't believe this at all....I think it's a cover as people are thinking/asking why one of the top 36 players in the draft can't see the field on a 1-11 team or the guy that drafted him (Manpolean) is a real idiot b/c Robo really does suck this bad....
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He could be a serviceable guy. I hope he is. He just doesn't do anything exceptionally.
Very luke warm. I guess he could fit in somewhere.
But there are many teams that have #3 receivers that are clearly more skilled than MoMass.
In my opinion (this one's debateable) I think Pierre Garcon has displayed more ability at this point than Massaquoi.
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In my opinion (this one's debateable) I think Pierre Garcon has displayed more ability at this point than Massaquoi.
Sorry man, but I don't like this comparison.
Put MoMass on the Colts ... a proven team ... with a proven offense ... a HOF QB ... and a ton of other weapons to take away some of the heat ... and we could be talking about the M & M connection ...
I just think it's too hard to make this comparison because the stability and success of the organizations is such an apples - to - oranges comparison.
I don't believe Garcon would be doing much here.
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In other words, he is a rookie, who is playing like a rookie.
Santonio holmes did not set the world on fire his first year, many of the same type of problems.
I am a bit encouraged by MoMass's play. It is nothing spectacular now, but I hope he will continue to develop.
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I am a bit encouraged by MoMass's play. It is nothing spectacular now, but I hope he will continue to develop.
I'm somewhere in between with him and most of it has to do with his body language and attitude....he seems like a real bi$@% out there at times. It's fine when you're a veteran with a few 1000 yard seasons but not as a rookie.
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It's not a stats comparison or a team comparison.
I've seen 4 or 5 Colts games and I like what the guy brings. He's a very physical guy and he's got good hands. He's probably avg with everything else but I like the way he plays and the way he blocks.
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This is just speculation,
but if he can't get playing time on the worst receiving group EVER ASSEMBLED
ok....you know I cannot help myself when you use hyperbole. I would say this is not even the worst WR group assembled THIS season.
Look at the Raiders
Dude, it's really not worth discussing....but since I said REC group, yeah that includes TEs...and Miller alone tops our unit becaue he demands more attention than anyone on our roster....and I guess you missed the Murphy-show today against the Steelers....and Schilens right now is a better #1 than MoMass....but yeah, OAK has a bad group too, so does KC.....but we have absolutely NOBODY even sniffing league average (OAK has Miller, KC has Bowe, DET has Johnson)....that makes it easily the worst group assembled I ever witnessed.....give me one WR or TE on our roster that you think is an average starting player in this league...there is none, we're actually bottom 3rd in our 3 starting 3 (2xWR+TE)...ROCK bottom that is
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Django -
What about our RB's?
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At least he played a little bit today.
Just put the kid out there to get experience. Our season is over so get him experience.
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ROBISKIE HAS BREAKOUT GAME
Brian Robiskie entered Sunday's game with only 1 career reception in the NFL.
Robiskie left Cleveland Browns Stadium Sunday night after catching 4 passes for 69 yards with a 43-yarder on the Browns' second drive of the first quarter.
"As a receiver, you definitely want to contribute," said Robiskie. "You want to be out there catching the ball. So, anytime you can do that, you're excited."
Throughout the game, Robiskie saw improvement in himself and the team as a whole.
"You just have to stick with it and work hard and we're getting better as a team," he said. "We are continuing to work; we're being patient and we can be successful in the long run. As long as we know what it takes to win games and continue to progress, we should be alright."
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Robo's success helps the team in more than just his catches, It is in my opinion that Cribbs is not as good of a returner and is tired when he plays WR.
Cribbs rund hard and well when fresh, and he is an asset in the wildcat somewhat.
the reportes really got to get in mangenius' grill about this crap.
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I'm sorry, but are you and Django just hanging out all the time now? Just looking at the flooding of negativity from your posts, I don't think I can tell the difference between the two of you. Come on, dude! You live in Hawai. Relax.  There are a few positives on this team to work with...
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What about our RB's?
I see no league average players there too...Lewis is done and clearly one of the worst starters now (slow runner, not good catching), Jennings is a dime a dozen 3rd RB and I really think there a dozen better ones on the street....he gives 100% and is powerful but lacks, speed and, more importantly, vision.
Harrison is change of pace backup RB and no starter in this league, so by that definition he's not league average too but in his role I think he's a decent to good player...he IS our best runner, which isn't saying much....he has some vision and quickness to him
Davis: too early to tell/not seen enough
Right now we have 2 players that are league average or better on Offense: Thomas and Steinbach...Mack has the upside to get there but isn't yet
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OK...
So you say that our WR's, TE's and RB's are below average and probably wouldn't start on many (if any) other teams. I'm sure you'd agree that are RG and RT are are average at best too....
Where I am going with this?.....How can you rip into Quinn (or Anderson) then if he is playing with such inferior talent? Yeah, he may not be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but he's making progress. I'm not sold on him, but QB is the last place I would waste an early pick on as we have too many "average" players everywhere else....plus, even if Quinn is "only good in scripted plays or in garbage time", I'll take it for now...it's a building block especially when he's not throwing INTs. I'll take my chances with Brady and improved supporting cast over any of the rookies or veterans available this offseason.
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Over rookies...maybe...depends on who the rook is. FA list doen't look good too....but I'm with Toad on the Campbell bandwaggon: he's much better NOW (fact) and better than Quinn will ever be imho
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I'll give you better now....I'd hope someone with 30-40 starts would be better then a guy with 10.
In the future...not so sure. Time will tell...
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How am I negative? I mean really???
I'm just a realist in an ocean of fans. There's a keep Mangini thread for god sakes.
Just for demonstration....
Chris Jennings has the ability to be a #1 RB in the league. He's run for more than 10 yards at a time.
And if you disagree you need to check yo sef before you wreck yo sef.
I mean really?? Me negative. I'm not negative, I just call em like I see em.
Have you read my comments about Quinn or Rogers or Thomas?
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Does anyone have an Official "40 Time" for Robiskie?
I've read 4.59 and I've seen as low as 4.46.
I've also seen 4.69 listed for Mohamed Massaquoi and I've seen it lower. They are all over the place, but neither player Wowed anyone with Speed, I know that.
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"There's a keep Mangini thread for god sakes."
I know...gosh forbid there should be more than one opinion regarding a subject...lol 
Its not as all clear cut as you think...if you believe all the Media especially National Media regarding Mangini I can see why...but then you realize you are basing your opinion on Bozo's info.
Sometimes its not all about now. Its obvious Mangini wasn't looking at 09 and trying to sacrifice the future to win now - if that is the case then yes, he is the worst thing since Limberger Cheese. But maybe Robo will be a better WR for whatever reasons were made on sitting him out this long. I'm not there and I refuse to use the baseless info provided by the National Media regarding the Browns.
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Well at the NFL Combine Robiskie was timed at 4.59 and MoMass at 4.66......other notables Nicks 4.63, Britt 4.56, Collie 4.63, Maclin 4.48, Harvin 4.41, Heyward-Bey 4.30.
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It was just the posts from the day I had read that led me to believe the sky was falling. It just blows that most all the negative blasting we're all doing on this board from time to time is so disgustingly accurate and realistically true to most extents... 
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