Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109
Lerner's big budget would though.

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
H
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
H
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
Just wanted to show what a 4-3 could look like with one free agent added at each level and one pick added at each level. Use our best 4 players, Rogers, Williams, DQ and Wright the best way possible.

It looks a heck of a lot better than anything we could plausibly do for the 3-4.


[Linked Image]
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
H
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
H
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
And purging Mangini and adding a guy like Cowher or Parcells or others would have an effect as well.


[Linked Image]
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 6,445
H
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
H
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 6,445
Post the Wimbley for Cason idea on a Chargers board and see what they think.

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
H
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
H
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
I would welcome it if you did it. I know he is a good player. And he isn't a starter. That was the thin basis for the post.

The intent was to illustrate how a concerted effort to take the best three players on our defense and put them in their best position to succeed with a free agent addition and a draft addition at each level would work.

I have no problem having holes poked in my line of thinking. Unfortunately I had some bad info on Wilson. Oh well.

But what I was trying to represent is that if we put our best players in their best chance to succeed, with potential FA acquisitons and drafted players, we could have a talented squad.

The reasoning behind that was to introduce our best players, with players that have performed at a top level in the NFL, and drafted players who I have watched in college who could excel if mentored correctly.

If you like the status quo...that's you're perogative. If you don't...please offer your solution.

The woeful play on the field was understandable. We had a mediocre at best squad that became worse in the offseason. I saw it. I knew it would be bad.

It got worse through the course of internal decision making and player relations. Add a retarded offensive scheme and a head coach who styles himself as a micromanager that Himler himself would approve of and that's where we're at.

I'm tired of making jokes at this point. I'm trying to find an acceptable plan out of this mess.

Constructive criticism is good. Browns fans are amongst the most knowledgeable fans out there. Offer up solutions.

That was my point.

And my jokes are gettting stale, so I thought I'd switch it up a bit!


[Linked Image]
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475
E
Legend
Offline
Legend
E
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475
"because 2 years of trying to adapt his body to a 3-4 DE"

Yeah it looks like he got that 320 body to a slim mean 295-305 perfect for the 3-4 3 Technique (Not 5 tech mr. Bozo Mayock ).

Ya take a look at him lately...looks like he's more like 340. Trust me that is not the body of a 3-4 DE.

JMHO


Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!

GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
N
Legend
Offline
Legend
N
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
ok...if he's really up that high...another reason we can't assume he'll magically go back to being a good 4-3 DT just because we switch to it.


#gmstrong
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475
E
Legend
Offline
Legend
E
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475
Didn't know that was your argument...thought you were stating he would have to revamp his body BACK to 4-3 DT shape.

Its actually why he hasn't been playing cause he did not dedicate himself to the needs to play our 3-4 DE. Robaire Smith btw did and it shows. Its one of the reasons I suspect Williams to be in the dawghouse as he comes out and he seems to have gained weight (btw just guessing, he's listed as 320 but he looks bigger).

What I do know we would want him to lose a lot of fat and put on more muscle...Lose 40 of fat and gain 15 of Muscle and he could be a great DE at 295...stronger and faster. Something btw it was said Rogers did for us.

But Corey did not...ergo dawghouse.

Yes, probably would be still ideal for the DT position in a 4-3 cause he never made the transition in 2 years. But I don't think that should make us lean to the 4-3 cause he has proven that he cannot live up to being an all out Team Player.

I personally think we have invested a lot of TIME in the concept of playing a 3-4 it would be disappointing to abandon it now when what we really need regardless of the Scheme is TALENT!!! Why not stick with a Scheme that we seem to be getting it.

JMHO


Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!

GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
N
Legend
Offline
Legend
N
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
Quote:

I personally think we have invested a lot of TIME in the concept of playing a 3-4 it would be disappointing to abandon it now when what we really need regardless of the Scheme is TALENT!!! Why not stick with a Scheme that we seem to be getting it.

JMHO




I agree.


#gmstrong
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109
A DE in a 3-4 actually is the 5 tech.

Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
W
Rookie
Offline
Rookie
W
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 29
Quote:

Quote:

I personally think we have invested a lot of TIME in the concept of playing a 3-4 it would be disappointing to abandon it now when what we really need regardless of the Scheme is TALENT!!! Why not stick with a Scheme that we seem to be getting it.

JMHO




I agree.




I agree as well. It seems the players we do have here are starting to finally get the system. A switch back to a 4-3 would be taking a step backwards in my opinion. Gotta bring in talented players who can excell in a 3-4.

If Williams cannot make it in our system and/or is not a team player, cut him. Doesn't make sense to me to change your whole defensive scheme because one guy would benefit from it.

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
C
Legend
Offline
Legend
C
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Quote:

Doesn't make sense to me to change your whole defensive scheme because one guy would benefit from it.




I don't think anyone wants to change the whole scheme because Corey Williams doesn't fit. I think people want to change the scheme because our defense hasn't been very successful in the 3-4. And our personnel might be a better fit for a different scheme.

Then again, our defense wasn't very good before the 3-4 either. Maybe we should switch to the 3-3-5.

Anyway, I think it's easier to switch to the 4-3 then to the 3-4. Most players played the 4-3 in college. And even when a team's base defense is the 3-4 they still sometimes play with defensive ends with their hand on the ground.

Also, I know it has been said before but, it is probably easier to scout guys coming out of college when you run a 4-3 because that's what they probably played in school. Therefore you don't have to translate whether or not a guy can play outside linebacker or if a 4-3 defensive tackle can play 3-4 defensive end or if a 4-3 defensive tackle can play 3-4 nose tackle.

All in all, I think either defense can be successful. It all depends on the players , coaching, and the people hiring the players and coaches. And as of right now we don't have any of those three.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,275
W
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
W
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,275
Quote:

Quote:

Doesn't make sense to me to change your whole defensive scheme because one guy would benefit from it.




I don't think anyone wants to change the whole scheme because Corey Williams doesn't fit. I think people want to change the scheme because our defense hasn't been very successful in the 3-4. And our personnel might be a better fit for a different scheme.

Then again, our defense wasn't very good before the 3-4 either. Maybe we should switch to the 3-3-5.

Anyway, I think it's easier to switch to the 4-3 then to the 3-4. Most players played the 4-3 in college. And even when a team's base defense is the 3-4 they still sometimes play with defensive ends with their hand on the ground.

Also, I know it has been said before but, it is probably easier to scout guys coming out of college when you run a 4-3 because that's what they probably played in school. Therefore you don't have to translate whether or not a guy can play outside linebacker or if a 4-3 defensive tackle can play 3-4 defensive end or if a 4-3 defensive tackle can play 3-4 nose tackle.

All in all, I think either defense can be successful. It all depends on the players , coaching, and the people hiring the players and coaches. And as of right now we don't have any of those three.




x2

Page 2 of 2 1 2
DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Corey Williams not happy & other updates on players...

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5