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Didn't see this anywhere.
May not have to worry about Holmgren.Looks like he's bucking for the Seahawks office.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10476266/Holmgren-would-like-to-talk-return-to-Seahawks
Harley...I saw that article...
IMO, Holmgren is checking out his options and using the media to let other franchises know, there could be some competition for his services, thus driving up the value of potential contracts.
I do not trust the media, especially the Seattle media...I do not believe those articles that say Holmgren is not a good fit for the Seahawks.
I have little doubt that Paul Allen knows how to manipulate the local media, to help him achieve his goals.
IMO, it was no coincidence that Seattle fired their GM, during the season, shortly after Jim Brown opened his big mouth about Lerner talking to someone with a great football mind.
Holmgren is doing what anyone would do in his position...doing his best to shake the money tree, using the media to convey his situation.
I'm sure that there are more franchises courting Holmgren than just the Browns and Seahawks.
This could take a few more weeks before Holmgren makes a final decision.
Brace yourselves...there will be a few more stories concerning Holmgren.
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When you look around for teams that "have done it right", you come quickly to the Steelers. The Rooney family and Kevin Colbert (VP - Football Ops) have built an organization that - it pains me to say - the Browns should try to emulate. Since Colbert's contract is through 2010, and its doubtful he would make a parallel move to Cleveland, I'd like Lerner to explore bringing in Steelers' Director of Personnel, Doug Whaley as GM. Then, I'd offer the VP-Football Ops job to Bill Cowher. Cowher could coach if he wants, or he could bring in Russ Grimm as HC. I would like to see the culture changed to a team that plays the game the way it should be played, and I think this trio could do it. If ankle-biters want to call us Steeler wannabees, screw 'em.
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Holmgren is doing what any of us would do if we were in his shoes.. He's exploring his options.. there are probably a few things he's looking at that aren't being reported in the press as well..
In otherwords, it's way to early to worry about him......
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Sorry bro...........we've been trying those guys, and it just hasn't worked out.. 
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odd thing about that article is that he was searching out Seattle and it seemed like they have yet to contact him or show much interest in him.
They did let him get away...possibly they don't want him and would like to go in another direction not traversed before???
Of course Holmgren would throw his hat in that ring. His family has West Coast ties...can't speak for his wife's side.
Competition for his services increases his Leverage for bargaining but he is being selective not to water down his interests. I believe he has turned down the Bills and another (not sure).
And then we have to come down to the extended ROONEY rule is this Seattles way to make sure they apply to the Rule...don't even interview Holmgren and appear none active in his pursuit so that others might agree to interview for the position at least as to have the appearance that the JOB IS OPEN???? Is that why Randy is not moving while I read articles about RANDY better MOVE QUICK...yeah lets just throw caution to the wind and not interview a Minority and get punished  I'm sure the capable minorities are all working for other teams right now...that is why Seattle seems Aloof? That is why our efforts have taken a - STOP Sign as we went to RIGHT AWAY to now no movement at all...has to be the Rooney thing. Which is stupid. Just keep getting good Minority assistant coaches in the fold and it will take care of itself...or put some effort in getting more College and NFL Scouts from minorities...the cream will form and with numbers in those positions the opportunities will come. But you can't go right to the very top and say...GOT TO OR ELSE. There just aren't enough candidates...so we all have to put the process on hold and wait for the season to finish.
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In otherwords, it's way to early to worry about him......
Daman...way too early?...
IMO, it's not too early for Lerner to put some of his cards on the table for Holmgren to see.
I look for the Browns to name the Czar anytime within the next 4 weeks. Holmgren would be available at anytime but if Lerner or the Seahawks were targeting someone like Tom Heckert, that hire would likely have to wait until the Eagles are done playing (playoffs).
That would be another good reason for Lerner to go after Holmgren hard early, to make sure the Browns are not left waiting for the Eagles season to end before we begin to make our hires for the front office and coaching positions.
If Holmgren is our man, he will decide "when" a deal is completed.
Everyone knows, if it were left up to me, I would try to wrap up Holmgren ASAP ...lol..
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Holmgren is doing what any of us would do if we were in his shoes.. He's exploring his options.. there are probably a few things he's looking at that aren't being reported in the press as well..
In otherwords, it's way to early to worry about him......
When he comes right out and says he has a home and his family in Seattle, even the thickest of numbskulls knows where he stands..........................
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odd thing about that article is that he was searching out Seattle and it seemed like they have yet to contact him or show much interest in him.
They hired a firm to do the leg-work on searching for candidates.
It'd be pointless to hire them just to turn right around and drool all over Holmgren. All that would do is eliminate other candidates who would view it as a pointless interview, as well as handing Holmgren more leverage in contract negotiations.
We can hope beyond hope that Holmgren will come here, but the Seahawks are the favorites right now for obvious reasons.
It's my opinion that the only way Holmgren doesn't get the Seahawks gig is if they demand a set of checks-and-balances that Holmgren wouldn't want, where-as the Browns would offer him full-and-total control.
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I firmly believe that as far as the Browns job goes MH will get more "power" than Seattle might give him. More opportunity to make player decisions and set team and organizational directions as well as coaching staff issues.
If that's what he's looking for then it could go Lerners way.
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At this point I think it basically boils down as to where the Hawks even want him.........which is in doubt right now. If they want him he will go there, but I think there is also a chance that the Hawks want nothing to do with going back in time, and then imo we would be the favorites.......jmho.
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Couple of things.. it could be that the Search firm was engaged to uncover Minority candidates. Given that the Rooney rule now applies to GM Positions... it could be that they are using them to find a few to interview... who knows.. Quote:
We can hope beyond hope that Holmgren will come here, but the Seahawks are the favorites right now for obvious reasons.
I know the obvious reasons are that he owns home there, that he's very familier with the inner workings of the hawks and the players...
And all of that may end up being the reasons he would take the job.. But it still has to be offered..
I don't think it's a shoe in up there for him at all..
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How about Ron Rivera?
Dude coordinated the Bears defense to the Superbowl with Rex Grossman as QB.
Then, in San Diego, he took over for Ted Cottrell after a disasterous run as DC and immediately improved the defense.
He has experience in both the 4-3 and 3-4 due to his stay with the Bears and Chargers, and has had success on his own with offense-oriented Norv Turner, so it IS his defense, not Belichick's like one would argue Mangini and Romeo's defenses are.
I'm wondering if pairing him with Charlie Weis as OC would be pretty successful, thoughts?
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I think that would be a good combination. It really depends on the talent acquisition first, though. I'm more worried about that aspect but would be okay with that combo.
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VP of football - Don Shula
General Manager - Marty Schottenhiemer
Head Coach - Herm Edwards
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General Manager - Marty Schottenhiemer
Head Coach - Herm Edwards
Herm friggin Edwards?!
Are you kidding me?
you had a good run Hank.
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yeah, I think he was 
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Actually Herm Edwards was an after thought as to some degree was Schottenhiemer. I was merely thinking about the "Great footbal mind" comment Jim Brown made a few weeks ago, and working off of the premise that Randy Lerner was really talking to someone. Who else might it have been? Then I thought about Don Shula did a bit of web surfing to see where that train of thought might lead. I am not nearly serious about Don Shula but I just checked his coaching tree and or coaches he has been associated with and threw out two more names.Was Herm Edwards that bad? I really don't know.
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Herm Edwards really was that bad.
Worse than Romeo at clock management.
Mangini replaced Herm in New York and was a major upgrade.
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Edwards was a solid DB in his day.. as a coach, he had a couple of good or at least decent years for the Jets,, Got canned (mangini replaced him in NY) went to KC, couldn't get that team turned and was released last year.
He has a lot of fire and aggresiveness, and he's certainly not a dummy, but for some reason, it doesn't seem to translate to success as a HC..
Shula was born in 1930 so that makes him 79 years old. I have doubts he'd be a candidate for any job with the browns.. He was part of a group that attempted to buy the browns franchise in 1998... I can't remember who else was in that group with him.. He played for the browns in the 50s of course.
I'd love to see Shula have something to do with the Browns.. obviously, he's one of the all time greats and one of my all time favorites. I just think that ship has sailed.
As for Marty,, Again, hasn't he already said he's not interested..
My dream scenario would be one of two set ups..
Pres or Czar: Accorsi or Wolfe
GM in Training: Kosar
Coach: of thier choosing.
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Pres or Czar: Holmgren
GM: Holmgrens choosing (but A strong draftnik)
Coach: Gruden (but I guess that's out of the question at this point) Mooch maybe.. someone with a real strong knowledge of Offense..
I have no third option.
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Coach: Gruden (but I guess that's out of the question at this point)
maybe not. Mangini gets one more year.  After that I believe Gruden Is available.
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I will predict that nobody gets fired as the NFL owners eye a lock-out in 2010.
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I think my preference would be the following:
Pres/Czar - Parcells, Acorsi or Wolf in that order (my top choice would be Bill Polian, but there's no way we can steal him from Indy)
GM - Holmgren or Floyd Reese (Reese was the guy I was hoping for instead of Kokinis)
Coach - I'm ok with giving Mangini another year provided someone else doing the drafting and Daboll is replaced (by Weis?). Would love to see Zorn as QB coach too.
If we're talking about starting from scratch, Jeff Fisher (if fired) would be top choice regardless. Gruden would be the next choice if Holmgren is GM.
Others in no particular order: Mike Zimmer, Jim Harbaugh, Dick LeBeau (though maybe a bit too old), Russ Grimm, Mike Nolan, and Jason Garrett.
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RUMOR http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/09/signs-point-to-browns-making-a-hire-soon/Signs point to Browns making a hire soon Posted by Mike Florio on December 9, 2009 8:19 PM ET Though the Cleveland Browns aren't providing many clues regarding their plans for hiring a new General Manager and/or adding a "football czar" to lead the organization, a league source tells us that there's a growing sense something will be happening soon. The specific form of that something is unknown. Per the source, former Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar's words and demeanor are causing some to conclude that he's in line for a significant role with the team -- and multiple league insiders have opined to us that giving Kosar a seat at the table would be a huge mistake. We're also told that multiple candidates for the "czar"-type position also have declined to interview for the job. The reasons for folks saying "thanks" followed by "no thanks" aren't clear. One thing that is becoming more and more clear is that coach Eric Mangini likely won't be in the team's plans beyond the current season. So stay tuned. The Browns have gone from bad to embarrassing less than two years after winning 10 of 16 games. Though there's not much confidence that owner Randy Lerner will be able to find his way out of the maze, it appears that he fully intends to try.
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maybe not. Mangini gets one more year. After that I believe Gruden Is available.
Not everyone agrees, but I'm kinda hoping that Mangini doesn't get another year.. But I must admit, it could happen.
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Bernie is not qualified for any meaningful role.
He was a good player - period. He has done nothing since being a player to lead toward any type of position in football operations. Think Matt Millan as GM.
Who should Lerner approach? In this order:
Ozzie
Parcell
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Kevin Colbert
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Owner: Krayzie Bone
GM: Layzie Bone
HC: Bizzy Bone
OC: Wish Bone
fixed it for ya
NOW it's fixed. Some days I wake up and think even they would have done a better job at fielding a team this year. 
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Signs point to Browns making a hire soon
What signs?
Soon could be weeks ,even several months..
Personally I don't think anything will be done until early offseason..
You can't assume much from PFT's story since it they are often inconsistent and non-specific in the extreme...
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Exactly. I've noticed that even more with their recent Browns stories especially. Also, where is there any proof that people have actually declined meeting w/ Lerner? I'm bashing the junk that I posted. . . . 
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Signs point to Browns making a hire soon
Actually Means......Signs point to us having nothing better to write about,
Indians are not making a big slash in Winter Meetings, boring nothnig to write about
Cavs win Labron scores alot...Nothing to write about....
Browns stink on the field .....So all sign point to nothing exciting going on... 
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There isn't any proof..more than likely some of the potiential people might want to see if Manidiot(couldn't resist that) is going to be fired ..others might want to wait to evaluate multiple options, or allow them to develop...
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I will predict that nobody gets fired as the NFL owners eye a lock-out in 2010.
most people I have seen believe the lock-out will happen in 2011, if it happens at all. 2010 would just be an uncapped year.
is there reason to suspect this is not the case?
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There is a lot of talk here in Wi. that you can add Green bay to the list. I think it's really the fans more than the team but you never know.
If that is the case Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy will be available also.
i wouldnt want either one of those guys-GB has a lot of talent that those guys dont do anything with.
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Actually Means......Signs point to us having nothing better to write about,
Indians are not making a big slash in Winter Meetings, boring nothnig to write about
Cavs win Labron scores alot...Nothing to write about....
Browns stink on the field .....So all sign point to nothing exciting going on...
I like to point out that Pro Football Talk is a national website linked with NBC. They have no reason to make stories up about Cleveland teams because there is nothing to write about.
With that said, I don't think any of us have seen or heard anything to make us believe a hiring will come soon.
Unless it is Bernie Kosar, in that case, we are doomed.
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Pro Football Talk is a national website linked with NBC
PFT is a website that was bought by NBC because they had a large enough following to generate worthwhile revenue and NBC lacked a web presence in the NFL market with any substantial following... so they bought one.
PFT got to where it is by creating & publishing rumors, and they still follow that same model. Only the ownership has changed.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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So you're saying they have joined the ranks of the rest of the sports media, specifically ESPN.
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Take it however you wish  ... but their new ownership doesn't change the "quality" of their content, only who is getting the money. Make no mistake, if PFT didn't have the following it has, NBC would not have bought them. They certainly were not purchased for their credibility.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I find PFT very credible. Florio clearly states what he knows vs what he's conjecturing. I've always found PFT to be a great site. Glad it's allowed now on this board. You just take what it says with a grain of salt, which even PFT admits when it's discussing rumors.
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Yeah, of course you're right. They were picked up because of numbers.
Just because they get big doesn't mean they still aren't the media.
However, even though they are rumor-mongers, Florio does have connections to the NFL from his days there.
I know it chaps your hide to have to allow that content on the forum, but it's no different than the rumor-mongering that the heavy-hitters such as Jay Glazer and Mort spout out.
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