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Oh, I'm aware of all of that. Mort, Glazer, Florio, Shefter... they're all the same animal.
As for credibility, I reckon we have different ideas of credibility as more than half of everything I've seen from PFT has been a load of crap.
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J/C - a good important point by Don Banks today Quote:
In the NFL's Super Bowl era, 11 head coaches have won at least one Super Bowl title and later gone on to coach other teams. None of them have won another ring with their new team
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/wr...p#ixzz0ZJlXT5Ih
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Signs point to Browns making a hire soon
What signs?
Must have been from his source who stated:
"We're also told that multiple candidates for the "czar"-type position also have declined to interview for the job. The reasons for folks saying "thanks" followed by "no thanks" aren't clear."
So I get it...the Bozo  has sources that give him nothing but rumors of Declined to interview for the job...so in the Circus that must mean - "Signs" point to us making a hire...  How do these guys get paid for a living 
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By saying things which cause people like you and me to take notice.
It's an ingenious way to make a living, and one I'm envious of..........
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I do not believe any of it..in fact it may be someone planting those false rumors about no one wanting to interview..I think any prospects are waiting for certain things to develop before they make a decision.
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In my dream state...but slivers of possibilities.
We are deep into negotiations with Parcells...No Thank you was when Florio's Source came in the room and asked Parcells...Coke or Diet Coke, Mr. Parcells...
Then Florio contacted him as asked...Did you hear Parcell's say anything? Yeah, he said - No Thanks Thats how things work in Bozo Land.
But we are deep in negotiations with Parcells....
Kosar will be his right hand man and apprentice so that when Parcells steps down Kosar takes over 
Oh and the entire staff comes back except for Daboll who is replaced by Wies
Thats my dream and I'm sticking to it 
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I find PFT very credible. Florio clearly states what he knows vs what he's conjecturing. I've always found PFT to be a great site. Glad it's allowed now on this board. You just take what it says with a grain of salt, which even PFT admits when it's discussing rumors.
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I find PFT very credible. Florio clearly states what he knows vs what he's conjecturing. I've always found PFT to be a great site. Glad it's allowed now on this board. You just take what it says with a grain of salt, which even PFT admits when it's discussing rumors.
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I think Mangini just kept his job with the win tonight!
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I think Mangini just kept his job with the win tonight!
I don't think so, I think he has to get the team to play hard down the stretch
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I'll see you that, and raise you the following:
He'll have to win out to even warrant consideration by the new Czar.
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I'll see you that, and raise you the following:
He'll have to win out to even warrant consideration by the new Czar.
Maybe...depends on who the Czar is
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Well..........His odds would go up if the new Czar is:
Eric Mangin............I can't even say it 
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Besides Holmgreen I don't even know who is being considered
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Based on some of the comments I've read on the official Steelers message board, we can add Mike Tomlin's name to the list of potential coaches, because many over there want him fired
Fans are fans. There's idiots on every board................
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Maybe Mangini isn't as big a problem as Daboll. Maybe we just need a talented GM who will be given some power. And a czar to help steer the ship. A re-organization of power/responsibilities.
I do know I was extremely pleased with the Browns performance tonight, with the exception of the offense as far as play calling. The defense was stellar. If they continue this trend of improvement, then maybe it isn't so much Mangini. Maybe the offensive coaches need an overhaul. So instead of major surgery, just minor surgery.
Then again, if it is all screwed up after today, then forget everything I just said. I tend to be hopeful.
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Hehehe..............Optimism grows the soul, so keep on keepin' on. 
I fully agree that Dabboll is a dunce.
During the game in the Gameday thread, as we were entering the 4th quarter with the lead, I laid out two positive play-designs and one negative play-design. The plays were to either go back to the Wildcat, which we'd had solid success with, or take advantage of the element of surprise and go with a safe play-action pass. The negative play-design was to simply call another run play.
Well, as we all saw, they constantly handed the ball off in the 4th and we kept getting nothing, leading to being force to come up with something in 3rd and long over and over again. We got lucky with one of'em on Cribbs' wildcat scamper for 14-yards, but during the rest, it put Quinn in a position to fail more than to succeed.
In essence, instead of being moderately aggressive with the intent of winning the game, the plan was to be ultra-conservative and try not to lose it. All that resulted was a final chance for the Steelers to march down and beat us. They came within some 30+ yards of doing it.
Now, while his play-calling may not be the direct result of Mangini's influence, Mangini still has to shoulder the blame, as this was his hand-picked coordinator.
In many ways, Mangini has unwittingly followed the path laid out by Butch Davis when Lerner gave him virtually the same control he's given Grimace here. Both guys essentially chose all the players, coordinators, and systems, so when those fail, it comes back to the guy who installed them.
I don't know how heavy Mangini's hand is on either side of the ball, but it is his kitchen and it is his food, and much of it tastes like a 6-year old cooked it.
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I fully agree that Dabboll is a dunce.
During the game in the Gameday thread, as we were entering the 4th quarter with the lead, I laid out two positive play-designs and one negative play-design. The plays were to either go back to the Wildcat, which we'd had solid success with, or take advantage of the element of surprise and go with a safe play-action pass. The negative play-design was to simply call another run play.
Well, as we all saw, they constantly handed the ball off in the 4th and we kept getting nothing, leading to being force to come up with something in 3rd and long over and over again. We got lucky with one of'em on Cribbs' wildcat scamper for 14-yards, but during the rest, it put Quinn in a position to fail more than to succeed.
In essence, instead of being moderately aggressive with the intent of winning the game, the plan was to be ultra-conservative and try not to lose it. All that resulted was a final chance for the Steelers to march down and beat us. They came within some 30+ yards of doing it.
Now, while his play-calling may not be the direct result of Mangini's influence, Mangini still has to shoulder the blame, as this was his hand-picked coordinator.
In many ways, Mangini has unwittingly followed the path laid out by Butch Davis when Lerner gave him virtually the same control he's given Grimace here. Both guys essentially chose all the players, coordinators, and systems, so when those fail, it comes back to the guy who installed them.
I don't know how heavy Mangini's hand is on either side of the ball, but it is his kitchen and it is his food, and much of it tastes like a 6-year old cooked it.
Sorry, but your way off. But you probably already know that. The Browns had no choice but to go ultra conservative with the way BQ was playing.
Coach's pick cord, they move cord, they hire cord, they fire cord. The OC is boring as a position and gets way to much credit and blame. The players on the field have options.
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I was afraid some would see this victory as a great coaching performance by Mangini, thus the post above...
Cribbs provided 200 yds of offense and the defense sacked Roethlisberger 8 times. Weather can be a great equalizer and did help our Browns last night.
It's a win...a good win that helps the players endure this terrible season...
a win against the Steelers...that makes it a special win...
it's the Browns 2nd win...that makes it an historic win
Why is it an historic win?...Because Mangini can only tie Palmer as the Browns worst coach (in terms of W-L) in Browns history. Before the Browns players won last nights game, Mangini was on pace to have that honor all to himself.
It was a great win by the Browns players, who gutted it out and won in spite of Mangini.
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The only coach on this team that deserves to stay is Rob Ryan. The rest, IMO, are easy to replace.
Ryan is sufficient gameplanning wise *as we saw last night* and the players play very hard for him. He should survive any regime change.
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Sorry, but your way off. But you probably already know that. The Browns had no choice but to go ultra conservative with the way BQ was playing.
BQ was not really put in a position to succeed, always going run on 1&2, then 3rd and long. It's difficult to succeed. We should have taken a couple more chances on 1st or 2nd to mix it up a bit.
But I will admit, Quinns passes were off last night, don't know if it was the cold and/or wind, but he was struggling.
What I really want to know though, is why other teams always end up with a RB or TE near the sideline just over the line of scrimmage standing alone with 15 yds of freedom in front of them, for a QB to dump off to. We never have that.
Our opponents often have 1 guy completely uncovered. We seldom do. Is it our scheme, our players, or a combination of both?
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I would add Seely and Cox to that list.
I'd agree with that, although I guess I wasn't going to include position coaches. Brian Cox definitely deserves to stay, though.
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In many ways, Mangini has unwittingly followed the path laid out by Butch Davis when Lerner gave him virtually the same control he's given Grimace here. Both guys essentially chose all the players, coordinators, and systems, so when those fail, it comes back to the guy who installed them.
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Its Friday 
We beat down those guys
Toad almost implies that our owner repeatedly makes horrific decisions that have set our team back decades.
I guess this as close as I can get to fandom bliss.
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Former Seattle Seahawks GM Tim Ruskell might find a fit with Cleveland Browns: Tony Grossi's NFL Insider By Tony Grossi December 13, 2009, 5:00AM The new name to watch in the Browns' front office search is Tim Ruskell. Yes, the same Ruskell who resigned last week in his fifth season as president of football operations and general manager of the Seattle Seahawks. Supposedly, Ruskell's resignation would clear the path for a triumphant return to Seattle by Mike Holmgren. While that initially was considered bad news for Browns fans -- and owner Randy Lerner -- hoping to attract Holmgren to Cleveland, it may prove to be good fortune for the Browns. "He definitely got a raw deal in Seattle," an NFL source said of Ruskell. Ruskell's demise came largely as a result of an 9-19 record the past two years. Prior to that, he presided over three playoff seasons, including one in 2005 that saw the Seahawks -- then coached by Holmgren -- reach the Super Bowl. The Seahawks slumped to 4-12 in 2008 because quarterback Matt Hasselbeck was injured and Holmgren packed it in as a lame-duck coach. Ruskell already had tabbed Jim Mora as Holmgren's successor. The Seahawks are 5-7 in Mora's first season as coach. Ruskell, who previously worked alongside Rich McKay with Tampa Bay and Atlanta, was interviewed by Lerner and former president John Collins when the Browns shopped for a general manager in 2005. Ruskell chose Seattle as a better opportunity, and the Browns turned to Phil Savage. Lerner had a very high opinion of Ruskell, according to the source. "The next person in charge in Cleveland has to be able to work with everybody in the building and reconnect with the local media and the fans," said the source. "They can't hire another newbie. He's got to be somebody who's been around and has a record of turning around teams. And they need somebody who can just make deals with free agents and attract players." The source believes Ruskell also appeals to Lerner because, at 53, "he's the right age," and Ruskell is not adamant in changing coaches immediately. Thus, it would not be out of the realm for Ruskell to walk in and accept Eric Mangini for 2010. "Tim is a cooperative sort," said the source. "For example, he went to Seattle and accepted and worked with Holmgren even though it was common knowledge that Holmgren resented losing his other titles [as president and GM] to Ruskell." Holmgren pounced on Ruskell when the Seahawks lost Pro Bowl guard Steve Hutchinson to free agency following the Super Bowl season. The Vikings were able to pry away Hutchinson by including a "poison pill" in their offer sheet to the restricted free agent. The source said that the real culprit who escaped blame was Mike Reinfeldt, then the Seahawks' chief salary negotiator and now a vice president with Tennessee. "It is well-known in the league and the agent community what happened," said the source. "That wasn't Ruskell's fault. That was all Reinfeldt." Link
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The source believes Ruskell also appeals to Lerner because, at 53, "he's the right age," and Ruskell is not adamant in changing coaches immediately. Thus, it would not be out of the realm for Ruskell to walk in and accept Eric Mangini for 2010.
"Tim is a cooperative sort," said the source. "For example, he went to Seattle and accepted and worked with Holmgren even though it was common knowledge that Holmgren resented losing his other titles [as president and GM] to Ruskell."
If this is true, then it tells me that Lerner has learned nothing from past mistakes. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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The source believes Ruskell also appeals to Lerner because, at 53, "he's the right age," and Ruskell is not adamant in changing coaches immediately. Thus, it would not be out of the realm for Ruskell to walk in and accept Eric Mangini for 2010.
"Tim is a cooperative sort," said the source. "For example, he went to Seattle and accepted and worked with Holmgren even though it was common knowledge that Holmgren resented losing his other titles [as president and GM] to Ruskell."
If this is true, then it tells me that Lerner has learned nothing from past mistakes. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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jc http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Al...p&type=lgnsMangini confident he’s changing BrownsBy TOM WITHERS, AP Sports Writer Dec 11, 5:40 pm EST BEREA, Ohio (AP)—His boss sent a congratulatory text message. Hall of Famer Jim Brown delivered his to Eric Mangini in person. Eagles coach Andy Reid dropped him a note and even the guy who delivers Mangini’s newspaper told the Browns coach how much he appreciated the win. Not just any win. One over the Pittsburgh Steelers. “It’s nice to beat them,” Mangini said. “It’s important.” Important for the Browns. Important for Cleveland. And, perhaps most importantly, for Mangini’s future. ADVERTISEMENT On a frostbitten Thursday night, the Browns (2-11) ended a seven-game losing streak and a 12-game slide against Pittsburgh with a 13-6 upset of the Steelers, whose fifth straight loss may have ended any chance of the Super Bowl champions defending their title. Mangini has been increasingly under fire as the Browns have staggered through one of the worst seasons in their history. But by guiding Cleveland to just its second win over its archrival in 20 games, Mangini may have shown that his system may be working. “Yesterday was proof,” Browns linebacker David Bowens(notes) said. “We played a good Pittsburgh team. They were down with losing so many games in a row but they’re still the Super Bowl champs. Yesterday and last week (a 30-23 loss to San Diego) showed the type of team we can be.” His future remains cloudy, but Mangini, who has been criticized for almost everything he’s done since arriving in January, is convinced that his system is taking hold. The record doesn’t show it, but it will, he says. “I believe in what we do,” he said. “I know it works. I know it’s going to work here. I know we’re going to win a lot of games here. I know we’re going to have a team week in and week out the city is going to be proud of. These are good guys, working toward the same goal. That to me is the essence of winning.
“It’s going to happen.” (sidenote: Mangini in a nutshell  ) Mangini said he received a “nice, positive” message from owner Randy Lerner, who intends to hire a “czar” to oversee the club’s football operations. While Lerner has kept his search secretive, Mangini has made it known that he’s willing to work with anyone who can help the Browns. He may have no choice. Lerner’s hire likely will be the one who decides whether to keep Mangini, who was fired after three seasons with the New York Jets. Mangini is confident whomever Lerner brings in will appreciate what he has done since taking over a Browns team that went 4-12 last season under Romeo Crennel. Mangini may have to convince any new executive he’s worth keeping. He’s positive he will. “I would imagine if anybody who would merit the title czar would look a lot deeper than just the record,” he said. “I think that there’s been rationale for all the decisions. There’s a thought process, some of it’s been good, some of it’s been bad. There’s a reason behind it. “Anybody who comes in can take a look at it. Sit down, talk to the coaches, they’re good coaches. Sit in on any meeting. Watch our practices. See how we operate. Come to our meetings, see how we do things. See how we function as a staff. It’s good and it’s right and I’m confident. Come take a look because it’s a good product.” Mangini has been tough on his players, but he felt he needed to be. The Browns had it too easy under Crennel, and one of Mangini’s objectives this season has been to instill discipline by implementing strict rules and working his players harder than they have before. He’s asked a lot of the Browns, but Mangini said he’s actually softened up since his days in New York. “I know this may be hard to believe, but I actually came in here a lot less heavy-handed than when I went into New York,” he said, raising his right hand as if he was being sworn in by a bailiff. “I’ve never wanted to instill discipline for the sake of being in charge, that’s not what it’s about. It’s because it helps you wins games. I don’t want to exert power to exert power, I want the group to operate efficiently. That’s always been the goal.” Mangini believes he has always had his players’ support. The idea of a coaching change doesn’t sit well with some of Cleveland’s players, who would favor stability. Josh Cribbs, the Browns’ multitalented kick returner, wide receiver and part-time quarterback, said firing Mangini would be mistake. “It takes time to build,” Cribbs said. “To give a football coach one year to turn a football team drastically around is not possible,” he said. “You don’t expect a coach to come in right now and win. To get rid of coach Mangini, I don’t think would be a good decision for our organization. To start rebuilding all over again, this will be three different head coach regimes in the past (three) years. “Who would want to come coach here knowing if they don’t win right away they’re gone?” With three games left this season, the Browns have more chances to show how far they’ve grown under Mangini. The results could sway public opinion about him and maybe change the minds of those who will decide if he should come back. Mangini said he won’t spend any time worrying about his future. There’s too much work to be done. “I believe in what we do. I believe it to my core,” he said. “I’ve seen it work. I know it works. I’m confident in it. I mean that in a sincere way. I’ve seen it. I’ve experienced it. I believe in good people. I believe in hard work. I believe in discipline. It’s truth in sports. “If you have those things, you win.”
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Ok. RAC beat the undefeated, defending Super Bowl champs NY Giants. What's the point?
Pittsburg has been on a slide. This is not the typical Steelers team. Great game, great win as we got a lot off our backs regarding this rivalry including making it a rivalry again. But we beat a .500 team. That is improvement. But like I said, RAC beat the undefeated Super Bowl champs the previous year with a team that ended up 4-12. That didn't give him another year.
Beating the Steelers was somewhat over rated due to the history of these two teams. The actual fact is the Steelers were a .500 team at the time and spiraling downward on a crazy assed cold and windy day which really equals the playing field quite a bit.
Beating the Steelers was great and all but is not much to take into consideration when determining Mangini's fate. Besides, it was the defense who set the tone in that game and came up time and time again with big plays. That was Rob Ryan. If our OC were as good a coach as our DC it would have been a blowout win.
If there were any reason to keep Mangini it would be so we didn't lose Ryan on defense.
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Because you like and enjoy having a bottom 5-7 defense?
It's definitely not all on Ryan, as we have very little talent on this team overall .... but one could make an argument that the defense is far more talented physically than the offensive side of the ball.
I just don;t get this line of thought. If people are going to say that Mangini is horrible and should go ..... why would we keep a coordinator who hasn't improved his side of the ball?
Just like on the offensive side of the ball, you need talent to make plays work. We had a perfect storm in beating the Steelers, as crappy weather is a great equalizer. The defnse took advatage of that. Just remember that this is the same defense that was shredded by the Lions a couple of weeks ago, and that we lost our highest scoring game of the year.
Personally, I think we should keep everyone in place, and build the team. I am tired of change for change's sake.
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Just look at how much better our pass rush is despite not adding any pass rushers.
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1 game is not a trend .... it is a game.
Again .... it was a perfect storm of conditions. Hell .. I enjoyed Roethlisberger getting thrown down on damn near every pass attempt as much as anyone ... but that wasn't the case in the past 3 games. How many times did we sack Stafford, Palmer, and Rivers? The answer? 5 times combined. That's about what we've gotten over the past 10 years or so. We have 32 sacks right now. 8 of those came in our last game. That game took us from lower 3rd to upper third.
We are last in INTs. We are bottom half in passing TDs allowed. We are 28th in allowing rushing TDs. Only Buffalo allows more rushing1st downs than us.
This is not a good, nor effective defense. It is a defense that had 1 good game ..... under perfect conditions.
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Mangini confident he’s changing Browns
How many know what Mangini's educational background is?
Mangini has a degree in "political science" from Wesleyan University in CT.
Based on Mangini's comments, I would say his degree has served him well...when it comes to putting "political spin" on his performance as the Browns HC.
Also noted, talk by Mangini that Cribbs contract is something he's working on...didn't Cribbs say Mangini deserves another year?...  ...surely no connection there...
Does Mangini even have the power to redo Cribbs contact? I guess it really doesn't matter because Mangini was able to convince Cribbs, he could get it done. I'm sure Mangini got what he wanted from Cribbs...public endorsement from the star of the victory over the Steelers.
...a degree in "political science" huh?...
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but one could make an argument that the defense is far more talented physically than the offensive side of the ball.
You could make that argument, but it'd be incredibly weak.
And the pass rush was already light years ahead of last year before the last game. Now we have 32 sacks when we had 17 last year.
you had a good run Hank.
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1 game is not a trend .... it is a game.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?t...;seasonType=REG
I know that that isn't 100% up to date with all the week 14 games needing to play out still, but we are 7th in sacks going into today. You can thank Rob Ryan and the effective blitz calls that have gotten complete stiffs (just see the 12 sacks that Bowens and Wimbley have between them) decent sack totals. Despite having St. Eclair at RT and Porkchop at RG sucking it up in pass protection, we are outsacking our opponents this year by 4 sacks. Sure it might be somewhat over-emphasis on stats that aren't translating into wins, but it certainly shows me that Ryan could do more, hell I'd even argue would be dominant, with quality pieces to work with on defense.
To be honest I'd be okay with Mangini for another year to see if there is certain method to his madness if a guy who understands talent acquisition is actually showing up to work and using their final say to make personnel decisions. We need a GM who can put some talent on this team before we make any noise anyway. Only person who I say absolutely has to be out of a job next year is Daboll.
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That is pretty interesting I must say. People can say whatever they want about the guy but he can certainly deceive and talk his way into or out of MANY situations. He's cunning like a politician in that regard. The political science degree just makes so much sense.
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For a guy who preaches there might be something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about contributing to Quinn's failures thus far, you sure seem to have all the information you need in regards to Mangini.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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but one could make an argument that the defense is far more talented physically than the offensive side of the ball.
You could make that argument, but it'd be incredibly weak.
And the pass rush was already light years ahead of last year before the last game. Now we have 32 sacks when we had 17 last year.
Really?
Do tell.
On offense, as far as established talent .... we started with Thomas, Steinbach, Lewis, and Edwards. Edwards was a flake, and Lewis was slowing down.
On defense we started the year with Rogers .... Smith ... Rubin ...... Williams ..... Coleman ...... Jackson ...... Bowens .....Pool ..... Wright .......
Some of these guys aren't superstars ... but compared to their opening day offensive counterparts, they're Hall of Fame material.
As far as the pass rush ... that's nice and all .... but 8 still came in one game .... and we have only 6 INT all year. How many did we have last year? Here's a hint ... it was a "few" more .......
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