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Smith, Bowens and Pool are either done for their career or are backups at this point.
And while you only include Thomas and Steinbach, you have to also add Cribbs and IMO, Mack. You also have young draft picks in Robo and MoMass. And who knows, Evan Moore may be fairly good as well.
So I believe it's very close, although I would say that Mike Adams, Kameron Wimbley, Eric Barton and Brandon McDonald are much worse than the other positions on offense.
As far as INT's go, well, I would like more turnovers, but outside of Wright, we don't have anyone to make a play. On offense we have a few play makers, on defense we have none, Rogers is the closest thing to a playmaker.
Besides, why is it so bad that 8 came in one game? Does that make it any less impressive that we have 32 sacks so far compared to the 17 we had last year?
Even if you take away the 8 sacks our pass rush is still significantly better than last year.
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you had a good run Hank.
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Smith, Bowens and Pool are either done for their career or are backups at this point.
And while you only include Thomas and Steinbach, you have to also add Cribbs and IMO, Mack. You also have young draft picks in Robo and MoMass. And who knows, Evan Moore may be fairly good as well.
So I believe it's very close, although I would say that Mike Adams, Kameron Wimbley, Eric Barton and Brandon McDonald are much worse than the other positions on offense.
As far as INT's go, well, I would like more turnovers, but outside of Wright, we don't have anyone to make a play. On offense we have a few play makers, on defense we have none, Rogers is the closest thing to a playmaker.
Besides, why is it so bad that 8 came in one game? Does that make it any less impressive that we have 32 sacks so far compared to the 17 we had last year?
Even if you take away the 8 sacks our pass rush is still significantly better than last year.
I think those 8 sacks are far more impressive considering who it was that was getting them....a patch-work D took out a healthy starting O.....I would say we are making progress
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I look at it as though we got 25% of our sacks in 1 game ...... which, of course, we did.
It was also an "anomaly" game. It strayed greatly from the norn due to the conditions on the field.
We were 3rd in the legue in creating turnovers last year. We're significantly lower than that this year.
As far as talent on offense ... you have got to be kidding if you see more talent on oiffense on this team than on the defense.
How many players on offense would you expect to find playing on a good team? Maybe our RT and RG? That's about it. I don't count Cribbs because outside of the "wildcat", he's not a significant weapon. He cartainly hasn't had a positive impact at WR. He's not a RB. He's not a QB. He's a gimmick ... and an effective one when spotted appropriately ..... but not a "go to guy" on a regular basis.
I guess that I would sum things up with 1 premise. You get to coach one of our units against the other ...... with your life on the line. Both units will be as healthy as they began the year. The outcome will likely be determined by the talent of the players on the field. You can take offense or defense. Which uiit do you bet your life on? I'd take the defensive guys every single time. There is simply far mor talent there than on offense. More depth as well. (especially at DL and LB)
Which unit do you take?
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I just skimmed the context of the question to bigbaddawg, but I'll say this. No one could possibly pick the offense with the QB play we've seen this year.
I don't know if that proves or disproves your point, but it might slant the answer in a direction that has nothing to do with what you guys are arguing about.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I agree with of what you said.
But John St. Clair and Pork Chop Womack starting on a good team. I don't know about all that.
Anyway, I think if we keep Mangini around we need to find a GM that has experience drafting players that fit the 3-4.
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Also just wanted to throw this little piece of an article out there. Quote:
3. Head coach Eric Mangini threatened at halftime to lock everyone out of the Browns locker room had the team not been able to maintain its lead against the Steelers. Josh Cribbs told reporters that Mangini said, “Do not come back in this locker room without a win.” Cribbs figured he might just have to head to his car with all his equipment. With Bernie Kosar having a larger role and, in fact, going to interview Jimmy Clausen of Notre Dame, there’s no telling who’s safe and who isn’t in Cleveland. As one NFL team president who has a relationship with Browns owner Randy Lerner told me last week, “Mangini is not safe at all.” But in the building, Mangini believes he’s safe and is already preparing for free agency.
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I really freaking hope we don't get Jimmy Clausen. Please don't let that happened.
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My prediction is that the whole coaching staff will be back next year. Maybe the whole staff minus Daboll. I got bashed the first time I said Mangini will be back but its not my decision. Just what I think Lerner wants to do. My predicition on the new coaching czar would be Reese. I also think there are FO personnel turning Lerner away because Lener insist he will stick with Mangini no matter what and that turns them off. Whether that is correct and Lerner finally made the right decision once in his time as owner is yet to be seen. Im not a Lerner fan but Im going to be optimistic about his decision  Also, as far as the hatred for Mangini from the media and now alot of fans, plus alot of speculation that the players arent playing for Mangini. Two of the Browns fan favorites Cribbs and Joe Thomas has both publicly stated that it would be a mistake to let Mangini go after this season. Not sure if they are saying that because they are great team leaders saying the right thing, or if its because thats how they genuinly feel. IMO, Manginis biggest mistake, which was a huge one, was how he handled the QB situation from the last week of preseason until he went back to Quinn. I feel Daboll had a lot to say about that situation because Daboll wanted DA more. Daboll as OC and Manginis lack of working with Kokinis is his 2nd and 3rd mistakes. The importance and order of those 3 mistakes could be debated but IMO all 3 were horrible mistakes. But this whole year has basicly been a season of training camp and Daboll is learning on the fly. I have seen significant improvement in Dabolls playcalling. He went from zero creativity and no identity to actually have a decent gameplan after the bye week.
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I disagree with this. To me all he has done is let Quinn go deep a few times a game. I think that decision was influenced more by the media and the fans than by his own choice. We still do not EVER throw on first down. Pittsburgh was ripe for the play action the whole second half, but still he insists on running, what appears to be the same play, every first down, putting us inn second and long constantly.
Even in the wildcat, although Josh makes it work, the play never changes. Daboll is a joke with no imagination. His schemes are lame and his play choice is idiotic at times.
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I agree somewhat. Im trying to be optimistic. There has been improvement. You said he doesnt throw on 1st down and didnt use playaction against P-burgh in the 2nd half. I agree. I have been calling for him to use playaction all year long. The first time i have seen him call it was the Detroit game. AND IT WORKED Then as you say, he abondoned it. Ive said before that it seems Daboll is scared to call playaction against top defenses. He never did trust Quinn and it seems like he doesnt trust his o-line to hold up long enough for playaction to work. I also agree with you and have stated before that he dont use the wildcat right. He seems to abandon it prematurly and doesnt have many calls from the formation. I was pissed when he used the same play twice on the goalline against Minnesote that resulted in a FG. But he is using more pre snap motions 
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Because of a lack of talent @ QB, I take the defense.
If I could sign a vet QB, I'd take the offense. JMO.
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I disagree with this. To me all he has done is let Quinn go deep a few times a game. I think that decision was influenced more by the media and the fans than by his own choice.
And I disagree with that..it would have to do more of BK having discussions with EM and Dumpboll and telling them to open it up so the Browns can evaluate Quinn.
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Anyone here work at any prominent restaurants downtown? We should keep an eye on that to see if anyone of importance is having dinner downtown.
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Anyone here work at any prominent restaurants downtown? We should keep an eye on that to see if anyone of importance is having dinner downtown.
Now we should resort to espionage? When Lerner hires someone, it will be reported. Until then, it's not that big of a deal, and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/15/big-show-meets-with-browns-brass/Big Show meets with Browns brass Posted by Mike Florio on December 15, 2009 9:47 AM ET At a time when it appears that Mike Holmgren's path back to the Seattle front office might not be as clear as he'd like and that the Browns could be closing in on hiring Floyd Reese or Tim Ruskell, the man known as the Big Show has gone to Cleveland. After weeks of rumblings that Holmgren could be asked to lead the long-suffering franchise out of its current mess (Thursday night notwithstanding), Holmgren spent Monday afternoon and evening meeting with the Browns, according to Pat McManamon of the Akron Beacon Journal. In an interview earlier this month with KJR radio, Holmgren said that he wants to be "very active" in his new role with a new team (even if it's his old team, the Seahawks). And while Holmgren explained that he doesn't think it's fair to fire a head coach after only one season, he seemed to leave the door slightly ajar for giving a guy the one-and-done treatment, possibly in the event that he's calling the shots in Cleveland. "I never thought [firing a coach after one year] was fair, as a coach," Holmgren said. "As a management person, you might have to make . . . a very difficult decision that way, if in your opinion you think it's absolutely going in the wrong direction. But those situations are really few and far between." So stay tuned. We have a feeling Eric Mangini will.
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Anyone here work at any prominent restaurants downtown? We should keep an eye on that to see if anyone of importance is having dinner downtown.
Now we should resort to espionage? When Lerner hires someone, it will be reported. Until then, it's not that big of a deal, and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
Someone was having dinner with Lerner the other night, as is now being reported.
*clears throat*
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to be driving by Burke Airport during my lunch break...
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Hopefully, if we hire Mike Holmgren we can also hire Steve Mariucci has head coach. Love that guy.
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