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There should be NO reason what so ever that Harrison does not get the rest of the starts this season. He has the ability to break a play wide open every time he touches the ball! The guy is a given play maker and is improving his blocking on 3rd down. He is a dual threat like a Ray Rice type, Westbrook, Washington, you get the picture.
People say he is not a every down player but how do we know if he does not get the chance to show? The guy has flashes of greatness, why abandon that. Seriously.
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People say he is not a every down player but how do we know if he does not get the chance to show?
Because he has atrocious blocking ability.
He is what he is...and that's all that he is. Unfortunately for him, he doesn't play for the right team.
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In a limited capacity he can help this team.
Really, Harrison's situation is no different than Cribbs' situation: Don't try and force the player into being something he isn't, but instead let that player excel in the limited role he is best suited for.
Trying to make Harrison into a full-time back is, IMHO, asking too much of him. He's simply not up to that task for 16-games. However, giving him 5-10 carries under the right conditions would be taking advantage of what he does well, so he becomes an asset.
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In a limited capacity he can help this team.
Really, Harrison's situation is no different than Cribbs' situation: Don't try and force the player into being something he isn't, but instead let that player excel in the limited role he is best suited for.
Trying to make Harrison into a full-time back is, IMHO, asking too much of him. He's simply not up to that task for 16-games. However, giving him 5-10 carries under the right conditions would be taking advantage of what he does well, so he becomes an asset.
I agree 100%, hence my comments about him playing for the wrong team.
If we were winning 9-12 games a year, no one would make much noise about Harrison getting 5-10 touches per.
However, we're beyond awful, not to mention horribly boring doing so...hence, Harrison becomes infinitely more attractive to the average fan.
Throw in the fact that we line up an OL as an extra blocker at TE because our protection is so poor, and it's clear why the kid doesn't play...
I think it's entirely possible that he's underutilized...but not by much.
To be honest, I thought Mangini would view him as his new Leon Washington...I was wrong there.
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LT doesn't block... He does fine as a RB. lol.
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LT doesn't block... He does fine as a RB. lol.
Did you just compare the blocking skills of LT to Jerome Harrison? 
LT is not an elite blocking back, but he is light years ahead of JH...it's not even close. And that's not an endorsement of LT's blocking.
I really dislike talking about Jerome Harrison, because I always come off as sounding like I hate him...and I really don't. I'm actually glad we have him, and hope he sticks around for awhile.
However, when you have a guy that literally sets up for a block, sees the linebacker coming through the line, and then ducks out like Richard Simmons would, letting his QB get sacked...it's just absolutely baffling to me that people wonder why he doesn't play more like it's some sort of travesty.
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LT doesn't block... He does fine as a RB. lol.
Did you just compare the blocking skills of LT to Jerome Harrison?
LT is not an elite blocking back, but he is light years ahead of JH...it's not even close. And that's not an endorsement of LT's blocking.
I really dislike talking about Jerome Harrison, because I always come off as sounding like I hate him...and I really don't. I'm actually glad we have him, and hope he sticks around for awhile.
However, when you have a guy that literally sets up for a block, sees the linebacker coming through the line, and then ducks out like Richard Simmons would, letting his QB get sacked...it's just absolutely baffling to me that people wonder why he doesn't play more like it's some sort of travesty.
Richard Simmons??
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I honestly hope Harrison gets 25+ carries every single game for the rest of the season, I wanna see if his body can handle it, I want him in thier to finally see if he gets it about blitz blocking, I wanna see after 3-4 years of every body singing his pracis if he is legit as a full time player. Can his body hold up, or is he a third down back who can only touch the ball 5-6 times a game.
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Trying to make Harrison into a full-time back is, IMHO, asking too much of him. He's simply not up to that task for 16-games. However, giving him 5-10 carries under the right conditions would be taking advantage of what he does well, so he becomes an asset.
Why don't you think he can be up for the 16 game task? Other than the fact that he has an issue blocking.
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Because he has atrocious blocking ability.
That is complete BS!!!!!!!! If he can't block, then WHY DO WE ALWAYS PUT HIM IN ON 3RD DOWN PASSING SITUATIONS??????
That argument is STUPID!!!!! Harrison is always in on blocking situations because he CAN BLOCK! I've watched him all year. He's done just fine blocking!
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Actually he hasn't....
As I've said before, let us see more of Jennings, he has more upside and potential by a longshot.
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Jennings over Harrison? It's interesting how people watch the same thing but see it completely differently. I like the Jennings kid, but from what I've seen he strikes me as a try hard guy who will give maximum effort but doesn't quite stack up talent-wise ... from my untrained eye.
It's often thrown around on this board that Harrison cannot be the starter, doesn't do this or that well, would best be suited for a particular role, etc. ... but I haven't heard anything other than opinion to back it up.
If anyone has the last game recorded, can you go through play by play for all the plays Harrison was in and document what he did on the play, what he was asked to do, and how well he did?
I did not focus on this, but I am curious.
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if no one ever missed a block,every play would be a TD.
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Actually he hasn't....
As I've said before, let us see more of Jennings, he has more upside and potential by a longshot.
Yeah? He sure can catch better too out the backfield. Got to love that nice touchdown from Brady to Jennings on that wheel route down the side line.
Got to love Jennings 2 touchdown day, oh wait, that was Harrison and he really worked for those too.
I do not mean to put your opinions down but this topic really gets me heated because when was the last time Harrison got 20+ carries? What happened?
We say he is not a 16 game down back, well...
He was in High School, College...Why not NFL? Sproles is? Rice is? Westbrook is? I just do NOT understand the whole "Blocking" argument..
Yes, i will admit, his blocking was bad but IS and I repeat IS improving, just look at this past game! he made good blocks! but I tell you what, blocking is not his forte, SO WHAT! Dude can play! 
Point blank is this..
You can NOT (Just like I did with Jennings) say Harrison is going to be a let down just as Jennings. They both have potential but c'mon lets be real here, Harrison is a play maker and has the ability to score not only on the ground but out the backfield. He is a Threat! Stop taking him out the game after 3 carries!!!!!!
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we're beyond awful, not to mention horribly boring doing so...hence, Harrison becomes infinitely more attractive to the average fan.
How many "players" on the expansion Browns can we say this about? Give me a month to compile a list.
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Yeah? He sure can catch better too out the backfield. Got to love that nice touchdown from Brady to Jennings on that wheel route down the side line.
Got to love Jennings 2 touchdown day, oh wait, that was Harrison and he really worked for those too.
I do not mean to put your opinions down but this topic really gets me heated because when was the last time Harrison got 20+ carries? What happened?
We say he is not a 16 game down back, well...
He was in High School, College...Why not NFL? Sproles is? Rice is? Westbrook is? I just do NOT understand the whole "Blocking" argument..
Yes, i will admit, his blocking was bad but IS and I repeat IS improving, just look at this past game! he made good blocks! but I tell you what, blocking is not his forte, SO WHAT! Dude can play!
Point blank is this..
You can NOT (Just like I did with Jennings) say Harrison is going to be a let down just as Jennings. They both have potential but c'mon lets be real here, Harrison is a play maker and has the ability to score not only on the ground but out the backfield. He is a Threat! Stop taking him out the game after 3 carries!!!!!!
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In all fairness to Harrison, he made a great block on a blitz on Sunday, totally upended the guy. I've also seen him completely whiff a few times.
I think his value isn't on third down, actually. I think he's a first and second down back. If he can't handle that much punishment, then he's just a back up. I think we should start him and see if he survives the next four games with 20 plus carries a game.
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OT: What are people seeing in Jennings that I'm not?  I haven't seen anything special in the kid. He was playing in a different league a year ago! Yet people want to see more of him than Harrison!
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I'd like to see EITHER behind a big, tough, physical offensive line instead of this sieve of a right side and declining Steiny (too light and not big enough to really maul people in the running game). As the Broncos were able to prove (albeit they used a zone scheme, but we get the point about line quality and RB yards, right) if you have a really good offensive line, a bunch of stiffs can go for 1,000 yards and easy goal line TD's.
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It's well noted over the last few years that Harrison has both a tough time actually blocking and recognizing who to block. That's a pretty deadly combo for a third down back. I don't particularly think he's all that talented either...but he looks more talented than Jennings. What I don't get is this. WHY DO WE HAVE HIM BLOCKING IN THE FIRST PLACE! Make him a threat for a dumpoff instead. Sprint him out. Guess what?!? The defense would adjust and not send the house on their blitzes lest they get Harrison on a 30 yard catch and run. I mean really. Use your players to the best of their ability.
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I still think having BOTH backs in at the same time would cause a lot of match up problems.
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I don't really see how this thread is even relevant.
We currently have two running backs on the roster.
One is Jerome Harrison. We have been splitting carries with our running backs all year.
I think it's a given that Harrison will be getting the ball a lot these last games.
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From The Plain Dealer: Browns running back Jerome Harrison isn't doing cartwheels about his two receiving touchdowns in the fourth quarter against San Diego Sunday. "You would have scored those," he said to a reporter. Harrison became the first Browns back with two TD catches in a game since Leroy Hoard in 1991. "I didn't know that," Harrison said. "I don't read the paper. I just look at the pictures."---------------------------------- Classic! 
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I honestly hope Harrison gets 25+ carries every single game for the rest of the season, I wanna see if his body can handle it, I want him in thier to finally see if he gets it about blitz blocking, I wanna see after 3-4 years of every body singing his pracis if he is legit as a full time player. Can his body hold up, or is he a third down back who can only touch the ball 5-6 times a game.
What he said. 
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j/c......
from bust to stud in one game.....only in cleveland.
jennings does not go down on first contact. still haven't seen JH break a tackle.....
he's a good spot player, but thats about all.
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Nowhere was the word stud uttered from me. How does a late round pick like Harrison rate a bust? He has produced when called upon. He had the best game of all our backs against Cinci, with about 128 yards. That was not a spot duty game. Neither was the Chargers game.
He may not be a "stud", referring to a player like Peterson. But Harrison has not been given a resonable amout of playing time to call him just a "spot" player. That may be your opinion, but the facts say otherwise. He's the best we got right now. Jennings shows promise, but Harrison is twice the player.
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There should be NO reason what so ever that Harrison does not get the rest of the starts this season.
Well, Jennings was clearly the better back tonight.
I can make a case for keeping Harrison on the bench behind Jennings, and that should be hard to do..........
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I'm all for keeping Jennings in the game more often, he can get to the edge better than Harrison and gives all the appearance of a much stronger runner.
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However, I could make a case for Cribbs to get more snaps at RB/Wildcat.
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I also think Cribbs should get more snaps at RB. He has this sense and luck and ability to get free and get more yards.
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I think how we used Cribbs tonight was perfect. Give him the ball 8-12 times a game, be it runs or passes. The guy is constantly sprinting up and down the field on special teams (kick/punt returns and kickoff coverage).
We all know he's close, but he isn't superman. The guy needs fresh legs to help us out to his fullest potential.
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Can't say I agree.
Cribbs has ability within his roles, but running the wildcat and returning kicks isn't the same as running routes, taking handoffs, or picking up blitzes.
Afterall, wouldn't it stand to reason that if the coaching staff was willing to let him play receiver and the wildcat that they wouldn't also put him at a true RB spot if they felt him capable?
I just don't see it happening.
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Can't say I agree.
Cribbs has ability within his roles, but running the wildcat and returning kicks isn't the same as running routes, taking handoffs, or picking up blitzes.
Afterall, wouldn't it stand to reason that if the coaching staff was willing to let him play receiver and the wildcat that they wouldn't also put him at a true RB spot if they felt him capable?
I just don't see it happening.
We don't really run a Wildcat. We run Cribbs out of the shotgun.
A true RB? No.
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Nowhere was the word stud uttered from me.
my bad...should have thrown a j/c in there....
his blocking was very good last night....didn't carry the ball well. i stand by the assertion that he's a spot player, and may not be on the roster next year.
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Jennings shows promise, but Harrison is twice the player.
I just can't fathom this kind of thinking from anyone at this point. If Jerome Harrison is so damned good - as many claim he is - then why has he not forced his way into the lineup on a consistent basis? For any coach or any regime. People can say it's because the coach is an idiot - yawn - but at some point talent wins out over potential. Harrison has always had the potential - but it seems pretty clear to me that in regards to talent, he's vastly overrated by a lot of people around here.
I don't think this Jennings is Jim Brown part 2, but I've liked the kid since the preseason and it's nice to see him getting the carries now. If you watched the game last night and didn't think that he can get the job done at least as well as Harrison, then well, I don't know what I could say to you.
Harrison is a fine role player - but I just can't see him ever being a major player in the NFL.
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I thought we would see more of Harrison later in the game. I may be off on this, but I thought Jennings looked like he was out of gas in the 4th.
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Hehehe..........was he out of gas, or is he just slow? 
He probably was tired. 20 carries for a guy who hasn't had much game work this year is a load.
It's my opinion Harrison was benched because he was not a good runner for the elements. He lacks any amount of power which is where Jennings had the advantage.
I think the stat line on Harrison was 9 yards on 8 carries. I know he wouldn't have been able to score on that TD run, as he'd have been blasted out of bounds.
Harrison has a role on this team if the coach wants it, but it's a minor role. He can catch pretty well and can water-bug around, but he has zero power and is a very poor blocker.
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I think 20 carries in that frozen air is a lot for anyone.... "game work" or not, that was some frigid air.
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Bah! He played in Canada. It was downright balmy for him
Seriously, when it's cold players can't cut as quickly and can't run as fast. It'd be perfectly natural to think the guy was running out of gas. I wonder when was the last time he had that amount of work, let alone in -3 windchill..........
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