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More honors for Matthews Rookie linebacker Clay Matthews got a game ball from McCarthy and on Wednesday he’ll pick an even bigger honor: NFC defensive player of the week. It’s the same honor that Packers cornerback Charles Woodson won last week, and it could help Matthews in the race for defensive rookie of the year. Matthews had two sacks, a forced fumble and six tackles in Monday’s win over Baltimore. “He won the game ball on defense, so I think that tells you what we felt about his performance this past week against the Ravens,” McCarthy said. http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/arti...-are-banged-up-
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Hindsight is 20-20 but not addressing OLB in round one with a guy like him available as well as Ayers and Everette Brown (we all wanted him badly at the time really) really bothered me. I like Mack but thought OLB should have been a bigger priority.
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Good for Clay's kid.
And it came against the Ravens....so doubly good.
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Congrats to Clay,, Sure wish you were playing for the Browns....
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When they kept trading down and Matthews was still there I was thinking Mangini was a genius. Then we drafted Mack. I felt so betrayed.
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Mangini could have had any of the 3 elite USC backers and he takes the least talented of the bunch.
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3 rounds later. 
I really like Matthews, and he's obviously playing very well. But don't you think now is a bit too early to be saying he would have been such a better pick than Mack? I personally think that both will be very good players.
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I think people would have preferred matthews, since Olb is such a pressing need for us right now. On top of that many believe you could find a good center in the later rds, or via free agency. I don't think they are dissing mack, as much the need for Olb's
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Can we just delete this thread? It's depressing.
Before the draft I was pimping Matthews harder than anyone.
Then when he was available after we traded down I was severely disappointed.
Don't get me wrong, I like Mack. But would I trade Mack for Matthews?
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Can only fix one need at a time.
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wanted to note this:
the 7th rounder for GB that mans the other OLB spot with Kampmann injured (Brad Jones from Colorado) absolutely lit up the Ravens as well (ran right through Oher on several occasions including his sack)
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Hindsight is 20-20 but not addressing OLB in round one with a guy like him available as well as Ayers and Everette Brown (we all wanted him badly at the time really) really bothered me. I like Mack but thought OLB should have been a bigger priority.
Hindsight always being 20/20, Fraley could have stayed at center.
Despite all of the emphasis on whether or not the kid could have performed -- and he IS now -- I would have taken him strictly on a 'legacy' basis. I think Mack will be around a long time, but the tradeoff is, is Matthews contrbuting more to his team,...Clay Jr. looks like he will be able to perform at a high level for a long time,....Mack might, but we haven't seen that "right away" like with Clay.
At THIS level, it was worth a shot.
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I'm still disapointed the Browns had the chance to draft either Phil Loadholt or LeSean McCoy and ended up taking David Veikune.
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Which is why we need to focus on drafting the best player available on next year's draft.
Berry or Suh would be excellent choices, but Berry would fit a need more then Suh would.
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I'm still disapointed the Browns had the chance to draft either Phil Loadholt or LeSean McCoy and ended up taking David Veikune.
You get big props on that call,....  McCoy I care less about because he is a skill player,...Loadholt would have been the OLineman you would have taken next if Matthews had been the pick vice Mack,....
The upside I forgot to mention earlier is -- and I have spoke of this before -- Mack was at the very top of the Steeler board.
As promised, whenever I talk about a draft,.....
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Can only fix one need at a time.
Yeah, it's not like we could have drafted Mack and then drafted one of the USC stud linebackers, like Maualuga. - He wasn't available when we made our second pick.
I wonder if Mangini gets fired before next week. After the Steelers beat us by 21+ tonight, we may see him go soon!
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At least we'll have another shot... Casey Matthews is Clay's younger brother. He plays for Oregon and is a Junior.
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And I've been told that many feel he is a better player than Clay.
It'd be nice to have had them both, however.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Yeah, it's not like we could have drafted Mack and then drafted one of the USC stud linebackers, like Maualuga. - He wasn't available when we made our second pick.
Rey is really setting the league on fire in his rookie season...
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"Mangini could have had any of the 3 elite USC backers"
Sorry only two were "ELITE" and both went in the first round.
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1 sack 29 tackles and 18 assists isn't living up to the hype that many on the forum would like us to believe.
Besides, there's a huge different in learning curves between a 2nd round receiver and a 2nd round linebacker.
Making snap-judgments on a draft 12 games into the year with the differences in positions is jumping the gun.
I happen to think that Mass is exceeding expectations for a 2nd round rookie. He's probably going to end up with 700 or so yards with an average that's currently 18+. Sure, he's got things to learn, but he's not some low POS while Ray is a pro-bowl MLB.
Let's be fair. Revisit this during the middle of next season......................
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Seems like you're ready to give everyone a chance except Quinn.
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I agree...MoMass is certainly exceeding expectations for a first year WR, regardless of round selected.
outside of guys like Anquan Boldin, few have put up numbers as he has....out of necessity of the WR corps or not.
I did the writeup a couple weeks ago on the WRs and will be putting up an updated one that shows where on the list MoMass currently sits....I had planned on waiting until after this week's games (and since we play tonight, I will probably stick with that)
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Seems like you're ready to give everyone a chance except Quinn.
Different expectations between a 1st round, 3rd year "nfl ready" QB and a 2nd round rookie WR.
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Many said the same thing about Braylon his rookie year.
That didn't turn out so well.
WR's that have trouble catching the ball and don't put forth maximum effort are a dime a dozen.
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One can give examples of players who got it and players who didn't get it. If each were defining factors on how players turned out there'd be no need to wait to see their following years, so it's still too early to tell.
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Yea but the issue was Mack vs Matthews. Who was first on your board ?
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I don't setup boards and 1-150 rankings anymore but I thought a little more of Mack.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.
Whether or not a player gets it,is a determining factor.
I/ve never been in favor of drafting WR's with questionable hands and/or work ethic.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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It's funny...
...I was really down on Mangini's draft...but the guys everyone wants in 'hindsight' are guys that I didn't really care for.
I'm not terribly upset that we didn't take Rey M. or Matthews.
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Maybe we're getting conversations crossed, so I'll copy something I said earlier to make myself clearer:
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Making snap-judgments on a draft 12 games into the year with the differences in positions is jumping the gun.
As it specifically pertains to Mass, that means it's way too early to judge him. When one considers he's a 2nd round receiver whom everyone knew was raw, while the guy I was comparing him to, Ray Mauluga, was more NFL-ready, my point was that it's just too early to judge the player.
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It's my fault.The conversation I was having with this overgrown big-butt 14yo,who is gonna get an asswhippin if he doesn't stop reading over my shoulder,blended into this draft thread.I got confused.
Now someone's gonna pay.
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BC, man, there's no fault here, especially not yours.
It's a message board. Conversations take more unintended twists and turns that it's virtually impossible to follow them on a consistent basis.
Don't sweat it (but give him a smack for me! )
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sounds like you should tell him to sign up.....
and give him the address for the other board
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I still close my eyes and picture him in Orange and Brown... or was that Rey Maluaga (sp?) and wonder why we reached for Robiskie that high up in Round 2.... ugghhh
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Again, Rey CANNOT play the 3-4 LB. He is a clean up LB that is getting off on improved play by the DL. Once that overachieving stops, so does Rey M, as the Texans game showed(he was awful). Mercy get it through your HEAD.
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Yeah, it's not like we could have drafted Mack and then drafted one of the USC stud linebackers, like Maualuga. - He wasn't available when we made our second pick.
I wonder if Mangini gets fired before next week. After the Steelers beat us by 21+ tonight, we may see him go soon!
Wait, did Mangini get fired after our win over the Steelers, I missed it.
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Incidently, Mack played one Helluva game against the Steelers, and overall, he's improved leaps and bounds from his first week.
I did notice that on the big Cribbs wildcat run off the left side that despite being the snapper, Mack was CLEARLY quicker and faster than Steinbach as he pulled on that play. I had no idea Mack was that quick.
It goes back to which positions are instictually easier to get and which ones take more time.
RB's can walk right into the league and start from day one because it's an instinctual position, while WR's and QB's have a much harder time.
ILB's can do the same, while it's tougher on center's because of all the line calls and blitz adjustments.
So............it goes back to what I and others have said 1000 times: Judging a draft right of the gate is illogical. Even for all the crap Mass has gotten, he only had one chance to make a play last week, and he made one HELL of a catch. He's in the mid 500-yard range as a rookie receiver on a crap offense. He's coming along nicely, though he has plenty of work to do.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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But if you aren't a pro bowler from day one, you clearly suck. I hate the lack of patience our rookies get. If anyone remembers, most Jets fans were very disappointed with Mangold at first, but by the end of the year he had made drastic improvements, and is now the best center in the NFL.
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