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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4732205I remember reading last week he told several of his players he was definitely staying. Good luck with the rebuild at Notre Dame.
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I remember reading last week he told several of his players he was definitely staying. Good luck with the rebuild at Notre Dame.
Is anyone surprised? I'm not.
Unless you're Nick Saban, ANY time a coach doesn't flat out deny he's going somewhere, he's going somewhere.
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If true, I have no respect for him at all. Wasn't 2 weeks ago he said he wasn't interested, now he jumps ship?
He'll have a heck of a time with ND's player requirements though. Hope he gets paid well, cause within 3 years he'll be looking for his next job.
I hate ND. This just gives me a reason to laugh at them even more in the future. Kelly ain't turning anything around there.
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no, he has not said anything like that. that was Bob Stoops.
from the moment that the rumors started popping up, Kelly has said that he refuses to talk to ND until after the Cinci v. Pitt game, but if they wanted to talk to him on that Monday, he would entertain their offer.
I have actually liked his approach as it seemed honest. he's an Irish-Catholic that grew up in the mid-west.....so the fact he's interested in the ND job, where he will also triple his salary should be no surprise.
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Gotta strike when the fire is hot.
His stock would NEVER be as high as it was this season, because Cincy isn't the kind of place where he'd be able to sustain that kind of momentum.
Personally, I don't know if he's got the star-power to attract the kids necessary, but time will tell.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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If true, I have no respect for him at all. Wasn't 2 weeks ago he said he wasn't interested, now he jumps ship?
Arch, you gotta take other things into consideration.
Remember, it's also about negotiations. If he jumps in front of a camera and goes "OOOH OOOHH!!!! HEY........HEY!!!!!!!!!! YEAH, HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT THAT JOB!
I WANT THAT JOB!!
I.......WANT............THAT...........JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " 
He'd be giving up leverage in contract negotiations.
He'd also have created unwanted distractions for the kids if he told them....Well......boys.......I'm leaving. It's been fun. Sorry to crap in your raisin bran. But you know what? GO OUT THERE AND WIN!! 
I don't view what he did in the same light as Bobby Petrino or Nick "The .... " Saban.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
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What if Cincy made the title game and he did this?
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I think ND did the right thing here. They hired a coach that has proven he can compete with the BCS teams even when he gets 2nd and 3rd tier players in recruiting (Central Michigan and then Cinci).
It was also a good sign that their backup plan was UConn's HC who does much of the same.
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Ah, I just don't like that he said what he did, then decides to jump ship before the bowl game. I've never been a ND fan......plus, I went to a small college not far from there - everything, all the time is "ND". The local sports coverage around the south bend area is so hogwash it's sickening. Example: ND corner gets burnt for a 50 yd. td.......what does the news say? "look, just look at the strides player x took. His speed is next to no one". (forgetting that the rec. was pulling away from player x). It soured me even more on ND, and it has carried forward for 20 years.
Add to that ND hasn't been anything but a third tier team beater for the last 15 years or so........it's time college football lets ND's past speak for itself, and let its present do the same.
Did I tell you I hate ND and love seeing them lose?
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Toad and Arch....please read my first post... he never said he didn't want the ND job...he was very open that he would entertain a ND interview after the regular season. Here's a link from mid-November...I'm using it because it is direct quotes from Kelly himself rather than re-hash from media people. Hopefully it doesn't get blocked out here because it has 'blog' in the address (it is a valid CNNSI link): http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/86564/index.html
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Toad and Arch....please read my first post...
he never said he didn't want the ND job...he was very open that he would entertain a ND interview after the regular season.
K. My bad.......I still can't stand ND. I will never try to hide my personal feelings/bias. Hate ND. Did yesterday, will in 2025, did in 1987........it's not going to change. Just so we're clear: I speak with a negative bias towards ND. Honestly, if my dad coached there I wouldn't be a fan. I wouldn't be as vocal about being anti ND as I am, but I wouldn't be a fan even if my dad coached there.
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no worries....anyone without a link to them SHOULD hate them.
i only cheer for them as a secondary team (to the Buckeyes) because they are my dad's favorite team (coming from an Irish-Catholic family myself). growing up, I watched ND with him and his dad, so I always had a soft-spot for them.
but, they are like the mid-90's Yankees now (before the WS titles)......the media pumps them up 100x more than they should because of their incredibly storied history despite recent performances.
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I wish Kelly the best, but this is a tough draw. I think it would be more fun to stay put.
It is better for college football for ND to be better, but the way things have changed over the years, I don't see them being one of the Top Ten like you used to be able to bank on annually.
He did a great job at Cincy; whether that translates to The Irish is another matter.
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What if Cincy made the title game and he did this?
he doesn't. he makes ND wait.
i can't stand notre dame, but i think it's a decent fit.
i think the problem with notre dame is, they still think should be lumped in with the perennial power houses. the ohio states, the usc's, the texas', the oklahomas.
they're not. i don't think they'll ever be a year in and year out dominant program.
and until they realize that, they'll keep firing head coaches every few years.
kids don't wanna go there. they want warm weather. ohio state is lucky because they have such a rich recruiting base in the state of ohio, indiana doesn't exactly boast all kinds of homegrown talent, they have to rely on recruiting from other states.
hm, should i go to usc where there is beautiful weather, nightlife, and a giant student body, or go to cold, small notre dame, which happens to be in the middle of nowhere? hm. tough choice.
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I don't like Notre Dame so i don't really care....This could hurt OSU recruiting in state as I'm sure he's tight in the Cinci high school area where there are a lot of great recruits
In terms of Cinci, I hope they are able to find a good coach
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$$$ It's that simple, Notre Dame backed a truck up with enough money to get him to leave. Shame too... I thought he would stay and build a national monster in Cincy
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Gee, glad he had enough respect for his players and the University of Cincinnatti to wait until after the biggest football game in the history of the school was played.
Unreal.
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Like that has happened before,....but it still leaves a bad taste, doesn't it ?
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Rich Rod comes to mind. - Seems like it is starting to shape up as a huge mistake for him and everybody else involved in his situation.
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Gee, glad he had enough respect for his players and the University of Cincinnatti to wait until after the biggest football game in the history of the school was played.
Unreal.
and screw ND for not letting him coach the game then sign him.
I wonder if this helps Tressel in recruiting? Getting Kelly out of Ohio. Tressel might not have lost recruits before but it could have happened this year if someone was promised to start right away. Maybe this gives Kelly more signing power in Ohio. At least the smart ones.
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I wonder if this helps Tressel in recruiting? Getting Kelly out of Ohio. Tressel might not have lost recruits before but it could have happened this year if someone was promised to start right away. Maybe this gives Kelly more signing power in Ohio. At least the smart ones.
I don't know if he ever lost out on a recruit to Cincy. Ohio State has always been the ultimate football school for Ohio recruits, and Tressell is starting to pluck kids from other states as well. Namely Pennsylvania, Florida, and Indiana.
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To me, ND did NOT do their due dillegence on this hiring decision..
As weird as it sounds, I still think Butch would be a great fit for the ND position...
Butch has won a NC at a big program, great college coach, great recruiter, etc.
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If this hire doesnt work out, time to get rid of the AD for his quick hires of the flavor of the month.
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Good luck there, Kelly. 
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I don't know too much about this Kelly guy but for him to completely leave his players hanging for their bowl game against Florida State is about as "bush" league as you can get!
You mean to tell me ND couldn't wait three whole weeks for him to start? How much can you accomplish during finals and the holidays. This guy cares nothing about his players and is only for himself.
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I don't know too much about this Kelly guy but for him to completely leave his players hanging for their bowl game against Florida State is about as "bush" league as you can get!
I agree something needs to change I dont agree with it, but common....
Everybody needs to understand & keep in mind, We might do the same thing if we were in his shoes, I know if some other factory trippled my salary for doing the same job I'm doing now and told me to start today, I'd be there, all these kids who went to Cincinnati understand what happened, do the like it no, but they knew all college players know the coach that recruits them might not be the coach that graduates them, it happens every year. Should these things go on after the bowl games yes, definatly the NCAA needs to do something like the NFL does, but dont blame the coaches, blame the school, like ND. I dont like ND being in NWO we hear way to much Irish Crappp...but I do like Kelly and think he handled this whole thing as honestly as he could. Should he coach Cincinnati in the Bowl game, as long as he hasnt taken a penny from ND & is still under contract for Cincinnati he should, but himself & the team should decide that, not us fans or the media.
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If this hire doesnt work out, time to get rid of the AD for his quick hires of the flavor of the month.
this is ND's AD's first HC hire. For the first time as well, the AD had full authority to make the hire rather than running it by the boosters (which had always been done in the past...oh, I mean the ND board, not boosters...as if it's different).
not sure how Kelly is a 'flavor of the month'....he has won everywhere he has coached. he does it with 2nd and 3rd level recruits.
he won the Big East despite replacing his ENTIRE defense (all starting 11) and losing his starting QB in mid-season.
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Listening to Cincinnati radio this afternoon and people are angry that Kelly did not thank or mention UC in his press confrence at Notre Dame.
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Listening to Cincinnati radio this afternoon and people are angry that Kelly did not thank or mention UC in his press confrence at Notre Dame.
Look at Cinci FB before and after Kelly....who should be thanking who?
no, just kidding.....they are just full of BS...amazing the crud that goes on in the "media" these days:
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"I handled myself in a manner that was upfront and honest," he said. "When I had the opportunity to inform our team, I certainly did that. I'm forever grateful to the players at Cincinnati for what they gave me. They gave me this opportunity."
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Hmm, this kind of just shows ND didn't learn from the Charlie Weiss hire. I mean, look at Claussen's stats and try to figure out how a team with a QB that good could be (6-6), especially with a soft schedule.
ND has tried to outscore people for the past 5 years and it hasn't worked. So the solution, in their minds, was to hire a coach who knows even less about stopping people?
Seems odd to me. Think Kelly is a good coach but it seems like it's just a dead job. When the last 4 guys to roll through there almost finished with identical winning percentages, don't you start to think it's not about the coach?
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Nail,...meet head of hammer,....!  The job, the program , and the identity has changed at Notre Dame. Holtz was the last to keep the bobber floating. Recruits, weather, academics, posture, pressure, schedule,....all kinds of factors. I am unemployed (self-retired  ) and I would not take THAT job tomorrow if Kelly resigns,....
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The odd thing is ND isn't going to a bowl right? So why jump from Cincy so fast? IF they (ND) were in a bowl, it would make sense for Kelly to jump to get some practice in with his new team. As it is I would have had him coach that bowl game. So in a way 2 dumb things by ND. Declining a bowl bid, and looking bush league by bringing Kelly in so fast.
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Rich Rod comes to mind. - Seems like it is starting to shape up as a huge mistake for him and everybody else involved in his situation.
Muni, what's your deal with Rich. I feel like this is a Pete Carrol vs. Jim Harbaugh scenario you got going on. These were two entirely different situations.
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As much as I was a fan of Charlie, I think it was time for a change at ND, I wish Both Coaches Good luck for the future.
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Nail,...meet head of hammer,....!
The job, the program , and the identity has changed at Notre Dame. Holtz was the last to keep the bobber floating.
Recruits, weather, academics, posture, pressure, schedule,....all kinds of factors. I am unemployed (self-retired ) and I would not take THAT job tomorrow if Kelly resigns,....
Me too. I hope Kelly got a huge paycheck, because he has 2 years to turn them into winners before he's gone as well. The irish are antsy - another 2 years of losing? See ya kelly.
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Can't blame him for leaving and can't blame the Cincy kids for being peeved (as was evident from the ESPN clips I saw early this morning).
Should have coached the bowl game.....reminds me of RichRod, but that is just me. I suppose invoking commitment is just naive on my part.
Nas320......your point is well taken although (as already stated) Kelly has had success with supposed "lesser" talent.
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Lesser talent? Or talent that big name schools passed on?
ND's entry requirements eliminate many players - the type of kids that are great players, but terrible students. kelly won't have that luxury at ND - he'll need blue chip players that also know not only what books are, but how to read them and retain the info.
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Lesser talent? Or talent that big name schools passed on?
ND's entry requirements eliminate many players - the type of kids that are great players, but terrible students. kelly won't have that luxury at ND - he'll need blue chip players that also know not only what books are, but how to read them and retain the info.
Yes arch, that is exactly what I meant.
Good point about academic standards. A wrinkle for him to achieve whatever he is going after.
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it's called recruiting
Maybe this is his reason for leaving early, but I don't agree it has to be this way. Urban Meyer took the Florida job, stayed and coached Utah for their BCS game, and then went on to Florida. He started three weeks later and was still able to recruit a perennial power including a two time national champion.
If ND gave him an ultimatum, then I can't really fault him, but if this was his decision alone, then I think it really sucks that he handled it this way. In any case, if coaches can jump ship at any time, why do kids have to sit out a year if they want to transfer?
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