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Mark Ingram!!! Congrats to him! 
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He was the 2nd best candidate, but still deserving.
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Can't fault that pick. I thought only him or Suh would be worthy. McCoy and Tebow just looked bad in their title games and Gerhart put up gaudy numbers, but I didn't see many teams in the Pac 10 that played much D.
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Congrats to him, Not who I wanted to see win it, I'd love to see someone from the otherside of the ball win it again, But Congrats again to Ingram.
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How did Obama not win this? 
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Nothing against Ingram, he is certainly deserving...but what an absolute joke that Suh garnered absolutely no respect from the voters. If there ever was a year for a defensive guy to win it...
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Nothing against Ingram, he is certainly deserving...but what an absolute joke that Suh garnered absolutely no respect from the voters. If there ever was a year for a defensive guy to win it...
Well if we can manage to get beat these last games we can ease his pain by making him the #1 pick!!!!
For what it's worth, if we lose out and get him, I'm happy! We beat the Steelers and I can hang my hat on that and the fact that our D line instantly becomes primo!
Congrats to Ingram though! I'm glad McCoy didn;t get it.
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of course he won it....he was the only sophomore candidate and you HAVE to be a sophomore to win it these days (Tebow, Bradford, Ingram) 
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Should've been Suh. The most outstanding player of the year by far. Hell, Ingram wasn't even the most outstanding RB in the nation, much less player.
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For everyone complaining Suh didn't win it... You aren't going to see a lineman win it. Sorry. It's a skill position award.
Here's the defensive players to ever win the award.
Larry Kelly- Yale (1936)- But he played both sides of the ball and accounted for 15 touchdown catches that year.
Leon Hart- Notre Dame (1949)- Also played both sides of the ball.
Charles Woodson- Michigan (1997) - He only won because he had 1 rushing TD, 2 receiving TD's, and a punt return TD.
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Should've been Suh. The most outstanding player of the year by far. Hell, Ingram wasn't even the most outstanding RB in the nation, much less player.
 Who was?
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It's completely obnoxious, though. The award is described as going to the best college football player in the country, not to the best skill position player on offense of the best team in the country. 
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While I agree. The MVP in the NFL is supposed to mean "Most Valuable Player", not "Best player".
And if that was the case, no one would ever win the MVP other than Peyton Manning, because he is by far the most important person to his team every single year.
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Should've been Suh. The most outstanding player of the year by far. Hell, Ingram wasn't even the most outstanding RB in the nation, much less player.
Who was?
Gerhardt had a better year and was more dominant IMO. The award has really become best offensive skill player on a top 5 team instead of "most outstanding player".
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Agree to disagree, but I think.... 1,542 yards, 15 TDs, 6.2 YPC... 322 receiving yards, 3 TD's vs. SEC defenses is a lot more impressive than.... 1,736 yards, 26 TDs, 5.6 YPC... 149 receiving yards, 0 TD's vs. Pac-10 defenses. Totals are... Ingram... 1,864 yards, 18 TD's vs. SEC defenses. Gerhart.... 1,885, 26 TD's vs. Pac 10 defenses. I'll take Ingram.
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And I'd take Gerhart
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And I'd have the better RB.
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There is no provision that says "Best player in the best conference". All it says is "most outstanding player". To me, that was Suh hands down. On the offensive side, from a numbers standpoint, it was Gerhardt. Now Ingram is a beast and 'Bama played a tough schedule, but that's not what the award says. It simply says "most outstanding player" but I do see where you're coming from. To me it just comes down to Gerhardt's numbers are better, the rest of the stuff shouldn't matter.
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I get what you're saying, too. But like you say, it's "Most outstanding" not "Best numbers".
What is more "outstanding"? The numbers Ingram put up against the SEC defenses, or the numbers Gerhart put up against Pac 10 defenses. I think Ingram was more "outstanding".
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I think Suh was more outstanding then both of them combined. But I do see your point. It's not like Ingram is a scrub. Both had a great season, so congrats to Ingram, soI'll just respectfully disagree.
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Then compare the talent around Ingram and Gerhart. Alabamas O-line >>>>>>> Stanfords. Plus Alabama had the threat of Julio Jones so teams couldn't stack the box against them.
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Okay.... Stanford has the better QB. 
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I'll fuel the fire. Ingram is the first Heisman winner since Gino Torretta (Yeah he won the Heisman) to win the award while not being in the top ten of any statistical catagory at his position. Great Pick! He's the second best player at his position on his team.  They need to never invite a front seven player again. If Suh did not win this year in a weak crop it will never happen.
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I know you're a good Texas fan Moonie,....do you think Suh should have won instead of Colt ? I know I do.
Gerhart is who really got dusted,...
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I am a texas fan. I absolutly think that Suh should have won. He was the most dominate player of the list, plus he had the best of the championship games (which is apparently all the voters were looking at).
I am also a defensive coordinator in high school, and me and the guys were pulling for a front seven guy to win it. I just don't understand why a front seven guy can't be the best player in the country. Suh is an animal, and should have won.
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Good to hear you are leading and training young men,... Thanks for your effort in that regard. Toby was my pick, but I would have been thrilled with Suh. If Gerhart HAD been at Nebraska (Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Florida) he might have won. And if Suh had been at one of those four (amongst others), he might have had a better chance. Politics, man. The Heisman is a glamour award. It was gonna be either Mark or Colt. Period.
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Agreed. For the record I do think Ingram will be a good pro, and besides Suh probably the best of the group. So at least they finally picked a kid that is going to suceed at the next level.
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It needs to be reformed, and reformed badly. I'd evcen say that all the past winners (all of which for the most part are offensive skill position players) don't need to have votes anymore for this recent injustice and even many of the sports writers for their choices. I'm growing sicker and sicker of college football for the seemingly infinite levels of incompetence and unfairness. 
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It needs some tweaking, no doubt. Like the polls,...we are subjected to their same politics every year. I have never seen a published list of who votes and how that compares to who voted last year. It ought to change periodically.
I was shocked at the obvious "absence" of some of the former Heisman winners.
BTW, have any of you ever had the privilege of putting a Brasso shine on a Heisman Trophy engraved plate ? I have,...pretty neat.
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What is more "outstanding"? The numbers Ingram put up against the SEC defenses, or the numbers Gerhart put up against Pac 10 defenses. I think Ingram was more "outstanding".
Stanford's Opponents and Rush Defense Rank:
Washington St. - 117
Wake Forrest - 82
San Jose St. - 119
Washington - 66
UCLA - 60
Oregon State - 25
Arizona - 22
Arizona State - 18
Oregon - 39
Southern Cal - 42
California - 27
Notre Dame - 90
Avg. Rank: 58.92 overall 46.22 in conference
Alabama's Opponents and Rush Defense Rank:
Virginia Tech - 52
Florida International - 116
North Texas - 104
Arkansas - 68
Kentucky - 100
Mississippi - 55
South Carolina - 46
Tennessee - 58
Louisiana State - 44
Mississippi State - 63
Chattanooga - (65 in FCS) *not included in total
Auburn - 80
Florida - 13
Avg. Rank: 66.58 overall 58.55 in conference
Not only did Gerhart put up better numbers against tougher defenses overall, but (including Stanford and Alabama) the Pac-10 had a better avg. rank against the run (47.7) than the SEC (56.25).
Just for comparison sake the rest of the BCS conferences were as follows: Big East 39.63, Big 12 41.17, Big 10 47.27, ACC 60.25.
All stats taken from NCAA.com
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Are you trying to question the all powerful SEC? If ESPN finds out what you are trying to do they will shut the board down. 
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Are you trying to question the all powerful SEC? If ESPN finds out what you are trying to do they will shut the board down.
you beat me to it 
and that list is unfortunately based on overall team rushing, which isn't the best stat to use....YPC is better.
I went through a few of the teams and I think it would wash out about the same as far as ranking....Example: Oregon State is ranked too well, but Oregon isn't ranked well enough.
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