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Not a huge issue, but a little ironic. Two weeks out still, kind of funny if it works out this way. Frye could get the nod By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer Monday, December 14th, 2009 at 3:48 pm in Oakland Raiders. Reading (or listening) between the lines Monday, it’s hard to come away with the impression that coach Tom Cable wants to go into the last three games of the season with JaMarcus Russell at quartertback. Give him credit for not offering up a company line and insisting there’s been some grand change in Russell in the three games since he lost the starting job to Bruce Gradkowski. Cable could have said: “We really feel good about having JaMarcus back in the lineup. He’s gone above and beyond the call of duty in terms of preparation, appears to be taking his job more seriously and is turning it loose at quarterback. He played very well at Denver last season and we expect him to do so again.” Instead, Cable said this: “I think certainly I’m going to look at what the options are and again as I told you before I’ll do what’s best for this team, what gives us the best chance to win. Right now, it’s to figure out where Bruce is at here in the next 24-48 hours and then make that decision.” Reality check: Gradkowski is a quarterback who thrives through mobility and has one torn MCL and one partially torn MCL. He’s not playing against Denver. And this: “You know after looking at it on film, I see some things that are the same. I think that there’s a couple things he did that were good. Again, I’ll look at all that here in the next 24 hours because if we’re heading towards a decision at the quarterback spot, then I pretty much do diligence in all those things and I’ll sit down and look through everything again.” You wonder where Al Davis comes out on all this. At one point, he liked Frye enough to have him up to the office for a talk when he came for a visit early in free agency (although Frye didn’t sign until much later). But Davis certainly wants Russell to begin achieving his potential, and there are three valuable lessons to be had. Those three “lessons” could be the last games of Cable’s Raiders head coaching career if they go down without a fight. Frankly, the Raiders didn’t put up much of one Sunday after Gradkowski went out of the game. Russell got almost no protection, and if you were to put Russell-Frye to a secret ballot as to which quarterback gives the better chance to win, the Raiders’ actions on the field against the Redskins suggest it would be Frye in a landslide. Russell didn’t talk with reporters after the game, although Comcast SportsNet Bay Area managed to get a couple of minutes while Cable was addressing the press and before the quarterback made a hasty retreat. “It’s kind of different coming in, and not starting,” Russell said. “Best thing to do is just let the game come to you, don’t force anything. Couldn’t get too much going. That’s basically it. Nothing else to be said, just couldn’t get nothing going.” Asked if about his protection and the six second-half sacks, Russell said, “I don’t know, but I say everything is my fault, so I’ll put it on me, maybe. I could’ve stepped up a different way to protect those guys, but that’s what happened.” Cable didn’t deny there seemed to be the entire team seemed to sag once Russell got in the game _ whether it was Russell’s fault or not. “Potentially I guess there was,” Cable said. “I really didn’t feel that because you’re so into what you’re doing and all that. When you look at it on film, we look like a different team but to put that on them that way, I don’t want to do that. We’ve got to step up and all play better. That’s really the bottom line here.” http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2009/12/14/frye-could-get-the-nod/
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and here I was hoping to get a chance at Gradkowski....
if our D shows up like they did against Pitt....how many times will we sack Frye?
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if our D shows up like they did against Pitt....how many times will we sack Frye?
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If he does get the start, I WANT TO ATTEND THIS GAME!
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I'd rather see us against Jamarcus Russell because of the inaccuracy and the fact that he has RGS (Retarded Gunslinger Syndrome) and may even come to the game hung over with a greasy fatburger in hand...
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RGS (Retarded Gunslinger Syndrome)
I hope this term catches on. I want to hear Nance or Simms use it sometime.
Per Charlie, good for him, glad he isn't our QB, but he was always smart at the position, just not particularly quick getting the ball out of his hands.
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Always liked Frye. Good kid. if he starts, I wish him the best.. I like to see a local kid do well.... except against the Browns of course....
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I hope this term catches on. I want to hear Nance or Simms use it sometime.
Per Charlie, good for him, glad he isn't our QB, but he was always smart at the position, just not particularly quick getting the ball out of his hands.
If you call running around in the backfield like a chicken with its head cut off "smart," then sure.
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If you call running around in the backfield like a chicken with its head cut off "smart," then sure.
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I hope this term catches on. I want to hear Nance or Simms use it sometime.
Per Charlie, good for him, glad he isn't our QB, but he was always smart at the position, just not particularly quick getting the ball out of his hands.
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If you call running around in the backfield like a chicken with its head cut off "smart," then sure.
You're talking about Quinn or Frye? 
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lol, you say that as if the kid had much of a choice.
Hell yeah he did have a choice.
Derek Anderson may suck, but when he played in 2006 he stayed in the damn pocket and the sack totals dropped.
#9 made a mockery of the QB position. I'll never forget that play against the Steelers where he ran backwards right into a Joey Porter sack when there was a pocket there for him...or against Oakland where he ran around like a chicken with his head cut off then threw a pick in the endzone.
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I don't want Charlie Frye to start. I don't think I could handle the embarrassment of him potentially beating us.
JaMarcus Russell is who I want at quarterback. Guaranteed win with him starting. I've never seen such a bad QB...and he was the #1 overall pick. And we would have him instead of Joe Thomas if he fell to us. Thank god.
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Would a Russell v Quinn "showdown" possibly provide proof that it was the worst year ever for drafting a QB? 
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I have loved Kolb's game since Houston....so friggin' accurate. Now, if only Philly would somehow give him up (not happening sadly).
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Maybe we can get one of their other two QB's.
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Keep in mind Roc that ammo was the guy that pimped Troy Smith for the 3rd pick and now is pimping Tebow the guy that has a 30 second release. When it comes to QB experts ammo is not your guy.
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Keep in mind Roc that ammo was the guy that pimped Troy Smith for the 3rd pick and now is pimping Tebow the guy that has a 30 second release. When it comes to QB experts ammo is not your guy.
Actually I pimped Thomas or Quinn with the third pick and Troy Smith in the 2nd...but you can smear me if you wish.
As for Timmy Tebow, Bob Griese said he absolutely would take Timmy and design the offense around him.
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Well then, there is a reason that Bob Griese is on TV and not in an NFL Front Office, now isn't there?
Tim Tebow will be a wildcat player, but other than that, he won't be much.
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lol, you say that as if the kid had much of a choice.
Hell yeah he did have a choice.
Derek Anderson may suck, but when he played in 2006 he stayed in the damn pocket and the sack totals dropped.
#9 made a mockery of the QB position. I'll never forget that play against the Steelers where he ran backwards right into a Joey Porter sack when there was a pocket there for him...or against Oakland where he ran around like a chicken with his head cut off then threw a pick in the endzone.
I'll never forget the time Frye said he was happy for the Steeler franchise when they won the SB back in 06. No Browns QB should ever say something like that.
Not a fan of Charlie's but I wish him the best.
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Well then, there is a reason that Bob Griese is on TV and not in an NFL Front Office, now isn't there?
Tim Tebow will be a wildcat player, but other than that, he won't be much.
A smart team will let Tebow run the wildcat full time.
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Well then, there is a reason that Bob Griese is on TV and not in an NFL Front Office, now isn't there?
Tim Tebow will be a wildcat player, but other than that, he won't be much.
A smart team will let Tebow run the wildcat full time.
If you think an NFL team is going to run a spread offense that is predicated on the run exclusively, you're crazy.
you had a good run Hank.
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Well then, there is a reason that Bob Griese is on TV and not in an NFL Front Office, now isn't there?
Tim Tebow will be a wildcat player, but other than that, he won't be much.
A smart team will let Tebow run the wildcat full time.
If you think an NFL team is going to run a spread offense that is predicated on the run exclusively, you're crazy.
Timmy Tebow can throw too.
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J.P. Losman has found his way back into the NFL. Mike Florio reports that Losman and the Oakland Raiders have agreed to a deal. It's believed to be a one-year contract. Losman was in Oakland Tuesday to take a physical with the team. We're told the team was heavily influenced by Losman's play in the UFL and his development under Jim Fassel. Losman was Buffalo's first-round pick in 2004 out of Tulane, but spent this season in the United Football League. His Las Vegas Locomotives won the UFL title. Raiders starter Bruce Gradkowski has a pair of sprained MCLs, so the Raiders starter this week is unknown. Tom Cable did not say Monday whether he'd go with Charlie Frye or JaMarcus Russell. Now he's got another choice. It's hard to imagine Losman would get a chance to start so quickly, but these are the Raiders. It would not be a surprise to see Losman get a look before the end of the season. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/15/losman-to-sign-with-raiders/
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Can you say that with a straight face or have you been drinking?
As a passing quarterback he is a trainwreck of a prospect with a release eerily similar to that of Byron Leftwhich. He takes hardly any to no snaps from under center, too.
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Two comments, one about Timmuh, and the other about Frye..........
Tebow has improved as a passer this year. I've watched him quite a bit and he has gotten better.
Having said that, the windows he has in college won't be there in the pro's. His accuracy will have to improve dramatically. His release is one of the slowest to come out of college in years. He's going to be a developmental QB at best, as he's going to have to have his entire game tweaked and somewhat rebuilt.
There was one rumor pushed by PFT that the Jags would like him in the 1st to sell tickets.
I won't say what I believed earlier in the year which is that he has to change positions to make it in the NFL. He does look like he has enough to be a backup. I don't believe I see enough of him to be a starter, but if he can, it's years away.
I'll pass, thanks all the same.
As for Frye............bring him on! From a pure Browns fan standpoint, I'd take a little satisfaction from beating a Frye-run team. He was a good kid when here, but he was no QB. He represents wasted time and a wasted draft pick, and beating him would be nice.
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I'll be drinkiing and toasting, "Shove it, Phil!" if we pull another win out of our arses.  especially against a former Browns QB because I am very bitter about the failures of the past...
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I'll bet we'll catch Hell for our opinion, but as a fan, yeah, you can bet I'll be rooting a little harder against our former players.
I have to admit, I think Opie popping off at the mouth at Lerner's team (to which Lerner put him right back in his place ) has me very interested in seeing anything which weakens Opie's case that he wasn't a problem.
In many ways, Frye is the face of Opie's failures. I'd like to put my pimp-hand to that face backhand-style.
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I have to admit, I think Opie popping off at the mouth at Lerner's team (to which Lerner put him right back in his place ) has me very interested in seeing anything which weakens Opie's case that he wasn't a problem.
In many ways, Frye is the face of Opie's failures. I'd like to put my pimp-hand to that face backhand-style.
Quoted for Truth.
I especially get angry thinking about how we could have signed Drew Brees that offseason. I was screaming for it. But we had to "go down a path with Charlie Frye" as Savage put it.
And save the standard "Brees had a shoulder problem, no one coulda guessed he'd be this good" reply that I always get, Frye apologist (not you Toad, I'm talking to all Frye apologist out there). Seriously, save it. This armchair GM was willing to take that risk given how he produced in SD for two straight seasons.
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As for Frye............bring him on! From a pure Browns fan standpoint, I'd take a little satisfaction from beating a Frye-run team.
Let's don't none of us forget that Frye is in a position that fits him to a tee: Third string QB on a team full of bad QB's. With that in mind, the satisfaction level in beating Frye is pretty low for me. A win would be satisfying but Frye brings little to enhance it.
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And save the standard "Brees had a shoulder problem, no one coulda guessed he'd be this good" reply that I always get, Frye apologist (not you Toad, I'm talking to all Frye apologist out there).
I didn't take it as such, but thanks for being clear.
I do want to say that I was of the opinion that trading for Brees was a hugely risky move that I wasn't really on board with. I refused to dignify Corpusdawg's jabs with a reply because he was trying to spin my lack of desire to invest into a QB who'd just had something like 9 pins inserted into his rebuilt shoulder into a statement that said I didn't think Brees was a good QB.
Looking back, yeah, it would have been a good move, obviously *L* I had simply gotten wind of just how severe Brees' injury really was, and didn't feel comfortable with the idea that he'd be a wise investment. He's proven everyone wrong, including me.
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Dear Santa,
Please bring the Cleveland Browns some foresight since hindsight is 20/20.
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Charlie Frye to start Sunday
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on December 16, 2009 1:14 PM ET
The JaMarcus Russell era in Oakland has reached a new low.
Raiders coach Tom Cable said on a conference call Wednesday that Charlie Frye will start Sunday for the Raiders.
Russell, the top pick of the 2007 draft, is essentially the third quarterback in Oakland. Bruce Gradkowski, twice released in his brief career, passed him first. Frye is on his third team in three years and now has also passed Russell.
It's quite a statement by Cable and the rest of the Raiders organization. Many observers thought Russell couldn't be benched earlier this year because he was Al Davis' guy.
Now he's getting benched for a new journeyman quarterback every month.
And with J.P. Losman joining the roster, the number of Oakland quarterbacks that have passed Russell could climb again soon.
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Wow - Jamarcus must have some problems........can you imagine if Frye gets hurt and they put Losman in??????????
JR has some problems - and I don't mean on field issues - he has those as well. But, there must be more to this than we know.
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Gradkowski to Frye ehhh???
Too bad they didn't pick up Holcomb or Couch.
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trent dilfer has always been up for a spot-start job
what's eric zeier doing these days?
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my laundry.
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I really hope JaMarcus Russell starts our game for two reasons.
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