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Clayton: Hawks Not Interested in Holmgren
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By Matt Pitman from VMAC
710 ESPN Seattle's John Clayton just joined Brock and Salk and had some pretty interesting news on the Mike Holmgren front.
Clayton told Brock and Salk that the Seahawks have essentially told Holmgren, thanks but no thanks. They aren't interested in Holmgren. Meanwhile, things are heating up in Cleveland.
Listen to John Clayton's report right here:
There is certainly a lot to take from that. "They have not approached him about interviewing. They have gotten the word back to him that they are gong in a different direction," Clayton said of the Seahawks stance on Holmgren.
If it's true that Holmgren wants to have a gig lined up before Christmas or the New Year, "It's Cleveland right now or nothing," Clayton said.
Chime in on this. Leave your comments below.
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Writing on the wall for Holmgren?
By Mike Sando
Matt Pitman of 710ESPN Seattle has the audio from John Clayton's latest update regarding Mike Holmgren' candidacy in Cleveland and apparent non-candidacy with the Seahawks.
Basically, it's looking like Holmgren could decide by this weekend whether to join the Browns as their top football decision-maker.
The Seahawks have made it clear they'll follow a process without being rushed. The Cleveland job might be Holmgren's only chance to run an NFL franchise in 2010, Clayton notes. That reflects less on Holmgren than on the number of teams that might be in the market for new leadership at the highest non-ownership level.
The way Clayton reads the situation, the Seahawks have "kind of got the word back to [Holmgren] that they are pretty much going to go another direction as it stands right now."
The success Holmgren brought to Seattle during his run as head coach makes the organization vulnerable to criticism if ownership decides to hire someone else to run the football operation. The person hired will be measured against what Holmgren might have accomplished. In that case, nothing will stop critics from suggesting Holmgren would have restored the team to greatness in a second run as general manager.
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Again, another article posted 6 hours ago on NFL.com http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5...mp;confirm=true Quote:
Browns, Holmgren plan future talks but haven't discussed money
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As Browns players dressed for practice on Thursday, defensive lineman Corey Williams began chanting, "We want Holmgren! We want Holmgren!"
Their wait continues.
Mike Holmgren left Cleveland on Wednesday without a contract to take over as the Browns' director of football operations. Team spokesman Bill Bonsiewicz said money has not been discussed, but that the two sides agreed to talk again in the coming days.
More ... He would not offer specifics of the conversation, or whether the Browns have brought in other candidates. NFL Network's Michael Lombardi reported Wednesday that the Browns and Holmgren are close to getting a deal done, according to sources near the situation.
Before Holmgren can be hired, the Browns would have to interview a minority candidate to comply with the NFL's "Rooney Rule."
"We're aware of the rule," Bonsiewicz said. "So much so that we contacted the league office to make sure we're clear on it."
Browns coach Eric Mangini wants his 2-11 team to focus on Kansas City, Sunday's opponent, but all the buzz about Holmgren has clearly infiltrated the locker room.
"Have they hired a czar yet?" one player asked a group of reporters, poking fun at the title that has been assigned to owner Randy Lerner's search for a "serious, credible leader" to overhaul the Browns again.
A few minutes later, Williams began shouting his unsolicited campaign.
Williams has been vocal about his lack of playing time this season, although injuries have made him one of the most productive players on defense in recent weeks. He had two sacks in the Browns' most recent game, a stunning upset of the defending Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers.
Williams came to Cleveland from Green Bay, but Holmgren was long gone by the time Williams landed in Wisconsin. Still, Williams heard all the stories about the man who has coached in three Super Bowls and appears to be Cleveland's clear No. 1 target.
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"I heard a lot of great things about him," Williams said on Wednesday. "It's a great thing he came in and I hope he gets the job."
The list of available landing spots for the 61-year-old Holmgren was trimmed Thursday when Washington hired Bruce Allen as the team's general manager an hour after Vinny Cerrato resigned as vice president of football operations.
Holmgren is considered a candidate in Seattle, where he is still popular after coaching the Seahawks to a Super Bowl three years ago. Holmgren has previously served as the team's GM and could be a contender to reclaim the role after the resignation of Tim Ruskell earlier this month.
Last week, he told a Seattle radio station he "absolutely" wanted to talk to the Seahawks about a possible return as Ruskell's replacement.
A Seahawks spokesman said Thursday that the Seahawks are is still in an "initial auditing" stage of assessing the slumping franchise and has yet to talk to any GM candidates.
Information from the Associated Press was included in this report.
Make of it what you will I guess... but I did kinda get a kick out of williams chanting in the locker room.. wonder how that went over with mangini?
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He'll appear on the 10-1PM show (Softy Mahler Show ... LOL). There's a "Listen Live" button on the home page.
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My professional sense is, the Browns would not want him letting the cat out of the bag.
The fan side says, let's get these beans spilled !
Then,...get your fanny in here and get to work.
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Unless the Rooney rule has been satisfied, he's not going to spill anything, if he's really interested and contemplating the move, he'll shy away from saying anything other than he had a good visit and liked Randy and the facilities but no offers were made and he understands Randy has other candidates to interview.
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Unless you are trying to prove that helps the Browns, this means nothing.
I'm not trying to prove anything. What is there to prove?
I just remember reading some time ago that Holmgren said he'd like to work on the East Coast. So, I went to find the story I read. I'd forgotten it said anything about Washington. Upon re-reading it and finding Washington specifically mentioned, coupled with the developments in Washington in the past few days, I thought it was timely and food for thought.
Food for thought; not evidence of proof of anything.
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I've had so much food for thought in the last few days my head wants to vomit.
For some reason I was looking at the Holmgren thread running on the "official" website. Well, the Pitt. victory has firmly made many over there form the opinion that Mangini is Lombardi and Holmgren is Herm Edwards. I even read that the team is playing sooo much better since Mangini dumped Kokenis!!!
Sadly, or happily depending on which corner you're in, should this deal go down, many will still be able to whine and moan about the Browns and how
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Eh,,,no problem with you showing that article..but I think since that time MH said he wanted a FO job..and certainly the way he criticized the Skins for their treatment of his buddy doesn't boder foe him wanting to coach there.
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I even read that the team is playing sooo much better since Mangini dumped Kokenis!!!
LOL....well actually they are.....LOL...but I don't think that one had anything to do with the other....LOL
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Unless the Rooney rule has been satisfied, he's not going to spill anything, if he's really interested and contemplating the move, he'll shy away from saying anything other than he had a good visit and liked Randy and the facilities but no offers were made and he understands Randy has other candidates to interview.
That may have been done already. Doesn't take long to interview someone. If Randy is as smart as I think he would of got that out of the way before he talkes $$ with Mike.
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That may have been done already. Doesn't take long to interview someone. If Randy is as smart as I think he would of got that out of the way before he talkes $$ with Mike.
Oh Heck FA,, we've yet to confirm that money was discussed.. one source (jim donovan, wkyc) says the deal is worth between 8 and 10 mill.. The browns (bill Boncewicz) says no money was discussed..
As for me, I'd say money was not only discussed, but was Offered... My guess is that duties were outlined, moving costs approved and a handshake on the deal..
But it can't be announced until the Rooney rule is satisfied.. So as of this moment, I'm saying that one of two things is going on right now..
1. They are getting interviews scheduled with a minority candidate or two
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2. They are trying to sell the league on the idea that there isn't any minority candidate they feel is remotely as qualified as Holmgren and it's counter productive to interview candidates they don't want to hire. It's also an embarrasment to those candidates that might be considered..
My guess, it's #2... Just a guess however.
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Another article,,, again, just a rehash.. make of it what you will This is from Yahoo sports Quote:
Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:28 am EST
Holmgren sharing Browns news on Seattle radio show?
By Mark J. Miller
Mike Holmgren hosts a radio show in Seattle every Friday and the rumor is that he'll announce today on the air whether he's moving to Ohio or not to take over the Cleveland Browns as the team's senior executive of football operations, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
The word is that Holmgren will soon be contacting a moving company to get him, his stuff, and his vast football knowledge to the Buckeye State. This means the Browns must have opened the bankbook up pretty widely at some point this week to see what kind of cash was in there. Holmgren was the highest-paid coach back in 2008 when he got paid $7 million to "lead" the Seattle Seahawks to a 4-12 record. Now he's supposedly looking to make $10 million a year, which is just a drop in the bucket for billionaire owner Randy Lerner. Right, Randy?
Another issue, according to the Dealer, is that the team still needs to interview a minority candidate for the job in order to satisfy the league's rules on such things.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer
Related: Cleveland Browns, Seattle Seahawks
I tried to open up the link to listen to that radio station up there.. Got to the stations website, but when I wanted to listen live, it was blank...
Anyone got a good link?
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That may have been done already. Doesn't take long to interview someone. If Randy is as smart as I think he would of got that out of the way before he talkes $$ with Mike.
Oh Heck FA,, we've yet to confirm that money was discussed.. one source (jim donovan, wkyc) says the deal is worth between 8 and 10 mill.. The browns (bill Boncewicz) says no money was discussed..
As for me, I'd say money was not only discussed, but was Offered... My guess is that duties were outlined, moving costs approved and a handshake on the deal..
But it can't be announced until the Rooney rule is satisfied.. So as of this moment, I'm saying that one of two things is going on right now..
1. They are getting interviews scheduled with a minority candidate or two
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2. They are trying to sell the league on the idea that there isn't any minority candidate they feel is remotely as qualified as Holmgren and it's counter productive to interview candidates they don't want to hire. It's also an embarrasment to those candidates that might be considered..
My guess, it's #2... Just a guess however.
All I'm saying is Mike will be back in a couple of days. So either Randy already did the minority canidate interview (Yesterday or Today) or he will before Mike comes back.
I don't think for one second they will actually be able to get the NFL to believe they can't find one minority canidate worthy. Washington just interviewed two.
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Another article,,, again, just a rehash.. make of it what you will
This is from Yahoo sports
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Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:28 am EST
Holmgren sharing Browns news on Seattle radio show?
By Mark J. Miller
Mike Holmgren hosts a radio show in Seattle every Friday and the rumor is that he'll announce today on the air whether he's moving to Ohio or not to take over the Cleveland Browns as the team's senior executive of football operations, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
The word is that Holmgren will soon be contacting a moving company to get him, his stuff, and his vast football knowledge to the Buckeye State. This means the Browns must have opened the bankbook up pretty widely at some point this week to see what kind of cash was in there. Holmgren was the highest-paid coach back in 2008 when he got paid $7 million to "lead" the Seattle Seahawks to a 4-12 record. Now he's supposedly looking to make $10 million a year, which is just a drop in the bucket for billionaire owner Randy Lerner. Right, Randy?
Another issue, according to the Dealer, is that the team still needs to interview a minority candidate for the job in order to satisfy the league's rules on such things.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer
Related: Cleveland Browns, Seattle Seahawks
I tried to open up the link to listen to that radio station up there.. Got to the stations website, but when I wanted to listen live, it was blank...
Anyone got a good link?
KJR 950am is on the iHeart radio app for those who have it.
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Well it's been buffering for 4 minuets on the iHeartRadio app so maybe they are having problems with thier stream.
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Don't forget folks.. this is on west coast time. Won't be on till about 1 our time I believe.
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Yeah but I still can't get the station to play as of right now. So unless they only have shows on at certain times and dead air the rest I'm not sure if I'll be able to get it on later. If I click on the KJR FM station the stream comes up instantly. Clicked back on the KJR AM station and it's buffering for 4 min again. I think the stream is not working for that station.
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Came right up for me.
HMMMM, don't know then. I can get any other station on the app to come up. But not this one.
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I understand what your saying... Quote:
I don't think for one second they will actually be able to get the NFL to believe they can't find one minority canidate worthy. Washington just interviewed two.
I think they will get them to understand it.. How many minority candidates ARE available.. Not saying there isn't any, but no names pop into my mind.. I've asked that question on these threads and nobody else is naming any either..
Dungy keeps popping up but I'm not sure he's available and even if he was,, he's got to know that Holmgren is the guy we want....He's not going to come here to interview and put himself in a position to be embarrased.
Ozzie isn't available and we can't hire him for a lateral move. We'd have to hire him as President I believe. But I think he's even said he's not interested....
I think it's a very fair arguement that there aren't that many visible minority candidates..
Personally, I beleive the addition of the GM title to the Rooney Rule is premature.. Not enough candidates have been groomed.. but that's JMO
Do you have any names? Honestly, I can't think of any....
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Do I know of any??? No. But who are the two canidates that Wasington interviewed??? I don't know them either.
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HMMMM, don't know then. I can get any other station on the app to come up. But not this one.
OK, I logged out of the app and then got back in and it came up just fine.
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Do I know of any??? No. But who are the two canidates that Wasington interviewed??? I don't know them either.
It's a solid question as they did in a matter of a few hours!
The beer guy? Some homeless guy in DC?
I want us to be on the up n up regardless. I do NOT want anyone
trying to trash the organization for skirting the rules regardless of how
silly that rule seems at times! We need no more bad press! In fact, the hour MH shakes hands and sign I firmly believe our negative press stops!
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lol, I really need to look into getting a part-time job as a sports writer. Apparently, the only skill required is the ability to take something written by someone else, turn it around and rephrase it a few different ways, inject a bunch of innuendo, and publish it as your own, brand new, work.
Browns is the Browns
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that's only half the battle....
the other half is to mention what someone else wrote, and then discredit it by saying you have a source that says the opposite is true.
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How in the hell can they even go through this farce of a process without ticking off some somebody or some group that will make a stink in the media? Everyone knows the interviewee is going to be the token minority "candidate".....that's what the Rooney rule has achieved. How can they even ask the questions with a straight face? Can they pay someone to sit through a phoney interview? That's the only way they're going to get their patsy.
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lol, I really need to look into getting a part-time job as a sports writer. Apparently, the only skill required is the ability to take something written by someone else, turn it around and rephrase it a few different ways, inject a bunch of innuendo, and publish it as your own, brand new, work.
Oh Hell yeah,, that's all they do today... And worse yet, it's not just about hot topics in sports,, it's in regular news as well.. How about that lady in Salt Lake City that disappeared a short while back.. I was watching the Today program this morning.. for a quote, they interviewed a newspaper reporter....LOL Cracked me up..
When the press interviews the press to get news that is fit to print.. something has gone totally wrong... 
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Do I know of any??? No. But who are the two canidates that Wasington interviewed??? I don't know them either
Exactly.. NOBODY but Tony Dungy and Ozzie Newsome pop into anyones head.. (wait, to be fair, someone else named a guy the other day and I can't for the life of me remember his name.... but he was unavaliable anyway)
I was thinking a little about this and maybe you aren't off base at all FA.. maybe Randy has already interviewed a minority candidate and is just checking to see if the league will consider it a valid interview or just a token...
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How in the hell can they even go through this farce of a process without ticking off some somebody or some group that will make a stink in the media? Everyone knows the interviewee is going to be the token minority "candidate".....that's what the Rooney rule has achieved. How can they even ask the questions with a straight face? Can they pay someone to sit through a phoney interview? That's the only way they're going to get their patsy.
The reason the Rooney rule works is that this person who comes in for the token interview gets seen by the Browns brass when he otherwise wouldn't be. He talks to them, answers their questions, everyone knowing he won't get the job. But now the know him. They've heard him, they've met him, and if he impressed them, he's now much higher on the list for a hire than he was. They will talk aobut him to other people. When a job opens up, they'll remember him. And eventually, he won't be the token interview, he'll just be an interview.
And sometimes, the guy is so good he actually wins the job he is the token for. It's a good policy that should stay in place until the old bias is finally overtaken.
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Do I know of any??? No. But who are the two canidates that Wasington interviewed??? I don't know them either.
Jason Cole mentions in a Yahoo Sports article that they interviewed their director of pro personnel, Morocco Brown. The article though it more about Cleveland not adhering to the Rooney Rule than anything else...
I agree with Daman, who is qualified that is available? I can't think of many, if any. Dungy, maybe, but he doesn't have any GM experience. Jeremy Green was director of pro personnel, which qualifies him as GM candidate, but not czar in my book. I'm not sure if females are considered minorities with this rule, but certainly Dawn Aponte might be interviewable. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone else.
At the end of the season, Ozzie certainly is someone we'd consider. Jerry Reese might be another.
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I find it pretty darn hard to argue with that Jfanent....
If they've already interviewed a minoritity, then I doubt it would be considered a token,,,, but if they haven't... man, I gotta say it,, it sure feels as if it would be a phoney interview....
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the best way to handle it is as thus:
1. take someone on your staff that your respect or someone that has previously worked for you that you respect. tell them you have your man, but that you want to help their career going forward.
2. tell them upfront to be fully prepared for an intense interview.
3. interview them as hard as possible. not to be mean, but to get them ready for the next time when they have a shot at such a job. ask them every possible question you can imagine, put them in all scenarios. make them fail certain portions of the interview and tell them how they can improve it for the next time.
going through all of that (and having their name leaked to the media as a potential hire) will only help their career. lavish praise on them and just mention that they would have been the hire if you were not so enamored with FO GuyX's resume.
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you mean James Harris of the Jags?
Yeah, I think thats the guy someone, maybe you, mentioned before... He's not available is he.....
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I know it's been mentioned in jest, but just interview Jim Brown. He's been in the organization so it's not like he's been called in off the street. How about Paul Warfield? He's also been involved with the organization and might be worth a call. Keep in mind, minority doesn't have to be black. It could also be a female. As a matter of fact, why doesn't Holmgren count. I'm sure there's something in his background that's an ethnic minority in this country. I understand the premiss for this rule, but at times it becomes such a farce!
I'm still amazed that Washington interviewed 2 guys while Cerrato was still on the job. That's a lot of class!! Maybe he resigned because he found out about it.
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I know it's been mentioned in jest, but just interview Jim Brown.
The reason it's been mentioned in Jest is that the person you interview has to be a real candidate.. Jim Brown isn't and I think that the league would see right past that one.
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I know it's been mentioned in jest, but just interview Jim Brown.
The reason it's been mentioned in Jest is that the person you interview has to be a real candidate.. Jim Brown isn't and I think that the league would see right past that one.
Well, forcing a team to interview a minority candidate wouldn't be real if you've already made up your mind too. So in a sense, it would be the same thing. I get why the Rooney Rule is there and I agree with it. I think teams should be allowed to bypass it by donating to a charity ($500,000).
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