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I think that mustache would look great with whatever Browns gear he picks 
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I am just excited and will accept what Holmgren decides.
isn't it funny what credibility will do  Of course, I feel the same exact way. the man has cred,, and with Cred comes a certain faith... and I have faith in Holmgren
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Keeping within the thread I would like to see this and in this order.
1. Mangini stays and continues...Ryan strong with the D, Sealy strong with the Special teams....but the Offense is broke under Daboll, that must be changed and under the keen direction of Holmgren!
2. Harbaugh...if we got to start over I think this HC has NFL stardom written all over him. I also think he is way more ahead of his brother. And that would also make in a nice rivalry  Keeping Ryan and Sealy would be so IDEAL and again this pretty much is based on the fact that the Offense is the thing that is broke!
3. Gruden, which I believe would give Mangini an Automatic at 2010 - from everything that I've read the new contract "ENSURES" (direct quote from director of ESPN) that Gruden will be doing MNF in 2010.
Again I would love to see Ryan and Sealy stay. Once again proving to me and all I think??? That the only thing broke with the Mangini way...is the OFFENSE!!!
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My dream coaching staff as of now
HC: Gruden
OC: Charlie Weis
DC: Wade Phipps (IF he chokes in the playoffs again for Dallas)
ST: Keep Sealy
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My dream coaching staff as of now
HC: Gruden
OC: Charlie Weis
DC: Wade Phipps (IF he chokes in the playoffs again for Dallas)
ST: Keep Sealy
Agree, But lets Keep Rob Ryan
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Is there some connection between Weis and Holmgren? Just wondering
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Is there some connection between Weis and Holmgren? Just wondering
I believe they have the same agent.
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I believe they have the same agent.
LOL I didn't mean that..  I meant has in coaching tree type connections.. Offensive system connections.. that kinda thing
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Haha..sorry! I guess I'm reaching.
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I believe they have the same agent.
LOL I didn't mean that.. I meant has in coaching tree type connections.. Offensive system connections.. that kinda thing
I don't know that there is a connection other than the offensive philosphies that Weis ran in NE were a sort of "spread-WCO" system. Same basic premise of short passes can equal a run, alot of the same types of runs but done from more spread formations with different OL blocking to account for it.
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That's what I was kinda wondering. The reason I ask is that some were saying they want Wies as our OC here next year and while I have no issue with it generally speaking, I was trying to figure out why Holmgren would hire him.
I would think that Holmgren would want one of his diciples rather than someone from outside his circle of influence..
But if he ran a modified WCO I guess I could see it a little.. WCO gurus on here might see it differently,, I'll bow to thier knowledge of both..
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Rumblings of Lovie Smith exiting Chi town...possible D-coordinator?
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it would probably depend on if they are friends or not....if they have talked to each other and Holmgren has a good sense of Weis' football knowledge and what he has done with the WCO, I could see it.
but, if he has only known about Weis from a distance and really hasn't interacted on a personal level, then I agree he would likely go with someone who he has more familiarity with (and especically since on the offensive side his tree is pretty substantial).
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please, no cover 2.
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We don't have even close to the personel to run a cover 2. Plus it's a soft defense imo.
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We don't have the personnel to run any defense.
We have one starting linebacker in Jackson, regardless of a 3-4 or 4-3.
We actually have better 4-3 personnel on the defensive line.
So really, no matter what defense we run, we're going to need a ton of new starters.
As for the Cover-2, it's like every other defense out there: It's only as good as the players running it.
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We don't have even close to the personel to run a cover 2. Plus it's a soft defense imo.
works for the colts. requires a lot of speed and guys who can tackle. that said we are better off not using a cover 2. We should go big being in the AFC North, and that means either a 3-4 or a 4-3 that uses big DTs and big LBs.
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Toad, if we ran a 3-4, we'd have two.
Certainly one could see that Matt Roth is a starting caliber linebacker.
you had a good run Hank.
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it appears he took the job as gm KANSAS CITY, Mo.— Mike Holmgren could be one step closer to taking charge of the Browns' front office. Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported Holmgren, 61, will be paid $50 million over five years to be the director of football operations for Randy Lerner's team. The deal could be announced today, Mortensen reported. http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2009/12/21/sports/nh1856780.txt
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We don't have the personnel to run any defense.
We have one starting linebacker in Jackson, regardless of a 3-4 or 4-3.
We actually have better 4-3 personnel on the defensive line.
So really, no matter what defense we run, we're going to need a ton of new starters.
As for the Cover-2, it's like every other defense out there: It's only as good as the players running it.
Agreed. Some defend our D saying "Ryan is doing it without any good players"! And now we can't switch because we only have 34 type players? 
So which is it? We got ZILCH!! It matters not which direction we go!
Holmgren will be here, sit back, watch him do his thing and see what materializes!
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I really REALLY hope that Holmgren doesn't make himself coach. Hasn't he already proven that he can't handle all of that work?
Also, purely from an organizational standpoint, it makes no sense. The management "pyramid" would basically be a straight line, with Holmgren holding several positions in a row.
If we applied that line of thinking to the field, we would have Cribbs slotted to play multiple positions on offense (QB and WR). Some of you will laugh at this, but that's just how I see it. Think about it. It doesn't make much sense.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Toad, if we ran a 3-4, we'd have two.
Certainly one could see that Matt Roth is a starting caliber linebacker.
Good catch. My mistake.
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Got to add Wimbley as well. Nothing says we can't upgrade on our starters. But he is good enough to start. Is he a stud like Ware? Ain't what I'm saying - but he's proven to be a starter this year.
JMHO - and I would love to see Bowens at SILB for the 4th...not a bad starting 4. Again seek Upgrades in talent through the draft and work them in. But a starting 4
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Nah, can't agree on Wimbley, Eo. He makes one play a game, but is invisible the rest of the time. It's very telling that with no understanding of our schemes, Roth has walked right in and been something close to a force, while Wimbley doesn't do much of anything.
Jackson is a surefire starter. Roth, if he remains healthy, is a surefire starter. Wimbley? I don't see it.
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Here is an AFC North blog prediction: Don’t be surprised if Jim Zorn lands with the Cleveland Browns in some capacity next year. Yes, Zorn is currently the head coach of the Washington Redskins. But it's the worst-kept secret in the league that he’s on the outs and Washington is eyeing Mike Shanahan. With Mike Holmgren expected to take over the Browns this week, Zorn could be among the first people he recruits in the offseason, most likely as a quarterbacks coach, which is Zorn's specialty.
You're a little late with that one James, as we've already covered it, but thanks for playing.
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I know it is early in the draft process. At this point we don't even know the draft order.
As of right now anywhere from 4 to 9.
The guy that stands out to me is Rolando McClain. To my way of thinking I would love to see him next to DQ.
McClain is big, smart, fast, and is a leader. Like DQ he is a very instinctive player.
Even with the investment in Veikune, Bowens, and Barton I don't believe you ignore a playmaker like McClain.
Veikune is an experiment and I believe was a huge mistake by Mangini to be taken in the second round. You never know what you are going to get when you take a down linemen (also from a small school) and try to convert them to LB.
The Browns continue to rank at the bottom of every defensive category. They also continue to give up big plays all over the field.
We need an impact defensive player. I am open to guys like Berry and Mays. But with the growth of Ruben we have defensive options on the DL and some depth.
McClain is the type of player who can display how LB's in the 3/4 are suppose to make plays.
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Even with the investment in Veikune, Bowens, and Barton I don't believe you ignore a playmaker like McClain.
I agree, McClain would be a big impact maker in a 4-3 or 3-4 for us. I always here that if we switched to 4-3, Jackson wouldn't be our MLB but weakside instead? If this is so, McClain is a great fit no matter what. And he should be available right around where we pick hopefully (after we beat the raiders and/or the Jags) The guy just reminds me of an impact ILB. And those guys are special. Zach Thomas, Ray Lewis, Urlacher. They're big-time guys
But there are a lot of guys who would help us. Dez Bryant, that CB from Florida, Eric Berry(if we get lucky or if we lose next two), another tackle. Rolando McClain is just who i prefer right now also
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The way I see it with guys like Wimbley, Harrison/Jennings, Evan Moore, and so many others is that they COULD all start next year, likewise they COULD all be improved upon with a high draft pick and they could be kept as depth... we have so many holes that we need to just take the BPA, the guy that will make the biggest impact and go from there... Roth, Wimbley, High Draft pick isn't a bad rotation at OLB....
There are precious few positions on this team that I think we'd have trouble improving.
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What if we had the ability to trade down and draft Taylor Mays, Jermaine Greshem, Dez Bryant, or Russell Okung? I think we would have to do that.
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Yeah, the likelihood is that we can't fix all the broken pieces of this team in one off-season, which means some guys who aren't part of the answer are going to be retained.
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Exactly so you have to prioritize... who are the absolute, must-be-gone guys on the team, then who is high on the BPA board at the time...
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With MH's knack for bringing up QB's and if the Zorn coaching QB's rumor materializes one of our two guys is gonna stay.
I don't see a QB pick this season and it's no secret that Holmgren is a huuuge Locker fan.
Who will win out?
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I don't see a QB pick this season and it's no secret that Holmgren is a huuuge Locker fan.
I don't know if you are right or wrong. But I have never seen or heard anything that has told me that Holmgren is a "huuuge" Jake Locker fan.
You can look at it this way though. People who know football are Jake Locker fans. Mike Holmgren knows football. Mike Holmgren is a Jake Locker fan. I think that's the transitive property.
Anyway, if you could provide a link to back up that statement it would be greatly appreciated. If you don't I will just assume you say Holmgren likes Locker because they both live in the Seattle area.
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No link but he carried on extensively during the Friday interview. His excitement talking about him and what another collegiate year would do for his career was evident to me. Therefore, I said huuuge. If you feel better about it I could drop a u!
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anyone know any names that could come up (if we fire Mangini) that are assistant coaches with no head coaching experience that Holmgren is familiar with? IMO if we do can Mangini and bring in someone else, it is more likely that we go for an unproven guy to coach instead of a failure like Morniwheg, Sherman, Mooch, etc.
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Rumblings of Lovie Smith exiting Chi town...possible D-coordinator?
please, no cover 2.
please no lovie either...
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Exactly so you have to prioritize... who are the absolute, must-be-gone guys on the team, then who is high on the BPA board at the time...
Since QB is the most important position on the team, Quinn must go.
(Did you really think I'd let go that easily? ).
There are always options. It just depends on how aggressive Holmgren is going to be.
We have a TON of free agent money. That can fix 3-4 positions with REAL money, not Womack or St. Claire money.
We have at least 2 picks in the top-40. That's two starters right there.
Then there's stopgap money, which can plug a couple of positions.
That's 7 new starters in 2010.
We may not be able to fix all the problems, but we can fix most of them.
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Chris Mortenson was talking about Mornhinweg being the next head coach.
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