DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Coaches Holgrem may hire??

I said months ago I want Marty Mornhinwig if we have Holmgren as our football czar. Then maybe we can steal someone from the Jim Johnson/Steve Spagnuolo tree for the defense (running a 4-3, Good-bye 3-4 I hope ) and we will be competitive and respectable in 2 years.

Pumped about the possibilities and cannot wait to see it all unfold (the hires, firings, draft picks, free agents, new strategery)

I need a towel.

Yeah I like the 4-3 better then the 3-4...its easier to scout players for since most of your college ranks run it

we need speed on our D though...I hope Holmgren looks to the SEC in the draft concerning D for the 4-3...lots of speed and top notch 4-3 defensive talent comes out of the SEC

as for the Head Coach, I wonder if we can talked Mooch out of the booth on NFL Network...Mooch is a very good coach, and I think he has the personality that the players would rally around...which is very important

Another guy I would be very intrested in is Marc Trestman.....Trestman knows Offensive Talent, and the guy is just a complete guru with Qb and offense in general...our O would be potent with him at the helm

it would just be up to Holmgren to hire him a strong Defensive Coordinator type of the 4-3 background like Monte Kiffin or the like to run the 4-3 D for him

i'd be very happy with Marc Trestman...im telling you that dude is one darn good HC...

I've always heard him spoken of very highly. What's he done? Who did he work for? HC before? I'm young so I don't know much about him. What is he up to now a days?

he was here before...i wasnt impressed

but here is his info. He was a kosar guy was with him at the U.

Trestman Bio

He is successful in the CFL where they are wide open, but in the AFC north, he had problems.

From the looks of that resume he has, I would be more than comfortable with him as a quarterbacks coach. I like the idea of Zorn in that capacity, too. Both I think would be excellent as that position coach and may be potential possibilities. Again, excited about what this means for our offense going forward with the Great Mustache

IMO if Mangini is fired, Holmgren will hire Mike Sherman HC; Gil Haskell OC; Bill Laveroni OL; Jim Zorn QB.

why would Sherman leave A&M?

they have an exciting offense this year and most of that offense is coming back next year...he needs to fix the defense but my Aggie friends are all aboard the Sherman Tank (instead of bandwagon).

Mike Sherman may want to stay at A&M, but I don't think A&M can pay him what Lerner would be willing to pay. That's if money is a motivating factor. I like Mike Sherman. I believe he was given a bad break after some injuries in Green Bay. He's a former offensive line coach that understands both the running game and West Coast passing game. If Sherman isn't named HC, I've got my eyes on Marty Mornhinweg, Dennis Green and Darrell Bevell.

of those you listed, i'd be most onboard with Morhinwig (if Holmgren decides to pull the plug on Mangini)

Also, sure Sherman could get a little bit of a pay increase, but he's making pretty good money right now in a state he has spent the majority of his coaching career with much better job security.

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Sherman signed a seven-year contract that will pay him $1.8 million a year.

"I've had opportunities at other jobs I didn't take," Sherman said. "I've been a head coach. I know what it's going to take to be a head coach. I understand the commitment and sacrifice my family's going to have to make. So I'm not going to delve into something unless I feel like we have a legitimate chance to win championships."

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Thought this was an interesting read on pft on an interview w/ Mora about Holmgrem leaving, also interesting is the comments about fans mad he is leaving

Mora admits he wanted Holmgren to return
Posted by Mike Florio on December 22, 2009 3:12 PM ET
Three years ago, coach Jim Mora cooked his own goose in Atlanta by musing on a Seattle radio show about the possibility of becoming the next coach at the University of Washington.

"I don't care if we're in the middle of a playoff run," Mora told Dave Mahler and Hugh Millen of KJR. "I'm packing my stuff and coming back to Seattle."

Mora has since returned to the Pacific Northwest, but as the head coach of the Seahawks.

And while Mora's most recent comments likely won't result in such an immediate departure from his current gig, he might have made his job going forward even harder.

Mora let it be known that he wanted former coach Mike Holmgren to return as the G.M., and Mora has now acknowledged his wishes publicly.

"It's no secret that I'm a Mike Holmgren fan, and I was an advocate of him coming back, to the point that I made my feelings known to the people that make those decisions," Mora told reporters on Monday, per the Seattle Times. "I'm probably as disappointed as anybody that he's decided to reject our offer and go onward. I don't know all the particulars. I just know that I absolutely have great regard for Mike Holmgren."

But the particulars include the reality that some in the organization didn't want Holmgren to come back. And with plenty of Seahawks fans questioning the team's failure to give Holmgren the power that he wanted, those in the organization who didn't want Holmgren likely are cringing in response to Mora's bolstering the complaints of the pro-Big Show crowd.

Also, the next G.M. -- whoever it might be -- could be a little uncomfortable working with a guy who has gone on the record regarding his preference to work with someone who didn't take the job.

Then again, maybe the genius of Mora's remarks is that talking about Holmgren not coming to Seattle could create a new opportunity for Mora in Cleveland. Holmgren will want a coach who's willing to show deference; who better to do that than a former member of Holmgren's staff who has put his neck on the line by telling the world that he'd like to work with Holmgren again?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/22/mora-admits-he-wanted-holmgren-to-return/

On a note to my post above, I personally would not like to see Mora as coach as if we do indeed fire Mangini, we should not go out and hire another failing NFL coach

No disrespect to anyone who wants to hire Mr. Mornhinweg, but I think that would be a huge step backwards for the organization. I certainly trust the knowledge and ability of our new team president. However, judging from what I saw in Detroit, Mornhinweg is not capable of being a HC. He has a great offensive mind, but something gets lost in managing a team.

Was Millen up there when Marty was coach?

Yes. He was the first coach under Millen.

Jim Zorn? Really? Whoever wants him here is so far off base its unreal. Jim Zorn SUCKS.

Jim Zorn the QB coach does not suck. I would be all for that hire.

I wouldn't mind him being our OC in the future...Zorn got screwed by Snyder...he was hired as the OC then made HC??? come on, then asked to do both?

Then you wonder why he didn't do either well???

Let him run an O...he's not as dumb as that look on his face during the Monday night game against the Cowboys lol

Mora huh...he'd have to do a lot more bashing of the FO out there and get fired! Cause I sure as heck don't want to spend a first rounder or 2nd to pry him away!!!

JMHO - but I have always like Mora.

I think the best bet is that Marty Mornhinweg will be the head coach.

Usually where there's smoke there's fire and most columnists are bringing up his name. (Here are a couple examples: Peter King, Michael Lombardi)

And then there's all of us who pretty much assume Mornhinweg will be in the running.

Also, in that Mike Lombardi column he mentions that Holmgren will be looking to his agents client roster to fill out his coaching staff and front office. Here is a list of coaches who are represented by Bob LaMonte. The list includes guys like Tom Heckert, Leslie Frazier, Charlie Weis, Gil Haskell, Mike Martz, Al Saunders, and Marty Mornhinweg.

I would also throw Dick Jauron and Jim Zorn in as possible assistant coaches as both are/will be jobless are once coached under Holmgren.

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw something like this: Mornhinwheg as head coach, Weis as OC, Zorn as QB coach, and someone like Jay Gruden or Gil Haskell as WR coach. With Jauron as the defensive coordinator.

I would love to get Weis as an OC. Jim Zorn could also help develop Brady more.

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Yes. He was the first coach under Millen.

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I only asked that because I was wondering how much of MM problems are attributable to Millen... Just wondering.. I didn't pay attention to Detroit..

Jon Gruden would be my numero uno.. but with his TV career taking another step forward who knows what he has in his plans

I think he changed it.

J/C

Question to all.....I am not for the switch to the 4-3, but if we do make that switch....what defensive guru is out there under Holmgren's tree that we can have run it? Holmgren's tree seems like a great collection of offensive minds, with little on the defensive side....

there's gotta be someone off those great 49er defenses from the 80's that has kept a coaching tree alive we can poach.

Rod Marinelli?

He's part of the Walsh coaching tree...albeit, he's very distant from Holmgren...

Edit: Depending on what happens, John Fox may also be available.

good call on that one....

Tomlin is another but obviously we won't be hiring him for DC (through Childress)

maybe if i have time tomorrow i'll follow back Gregg Williams or Steve Spags to see if they connect along the way (though obviously we couldn't get either, we could see who is on their staffs)

Dick Jauron.

Its kinda interesting that 3 pages and no one has brought up Billick. I'm interested in hearing your take on him. I realize he jilted us years ago when it looked like he was the top candidate. There is a good chance he will be on the list that Holmgren draws up. Would you guys be able to live with him?

I think he sounds drunk in the booth during some games and I didn't like the end of his career with the Rats. It was ugly.

As far as him for head coach, or even offensive coordinator... not happening. He falls under the Sid Gillman tree and favored more vertically deep down-field passes as opposed to the quick, short, horizontal patterns of the WCO Holmgren I think envisions so I don't see this coming into fruition.

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...Billick. Would you guys be able to live with him?

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So long as we didn't have to listen to him talk every day in a press conference I'd be fine with Billick. He's a good OC. I just can't stand his personality. I doubt anyone else can either as his name rarely gets mentioned as a serious HC candidate even though he's won a SuperBowl.

I never felt his "offensive guru" statis was ever in question even though the Rats weren't able to rise above mediocrity during his tenure. That team seemed incapable of bringing in WR's or a QB. By the time they did, the players were tired of listening to him.

Give him the weapons on offense and he's proven he can make it happen.

Don't want him as HC...

I don't care what their name is as long as they have previous experience in the role/ job they are given. I don't want any "rookie" coaches ie; a OC becoming our HC or quarterbacks coach becoming our OC or LB coach becoming our DC, so on and so forth. Hopefully it will be someone that is not learning on the job. Even if they had a bad record, ala Morningwhig, at least he could draw on past mistakes to learn from. Other teams seem able to do this but it has been a painful mistake here, Palmer,Crennel,Carthon, and Daboll just to name a few. And please, if you do hire an up and coming Co-ordinator, give them someone experienced in their weak side, ala Denver where Josh McDaniels. previous OC,has a good DC that also use to be a HC. Can you see the reasoning?

Brian Schottenheimer from the Jets would be nice to have, he has had some great years as a OC and would bring a run based offense to Cleveland. Kevin Gilbride has done a great job for the NYG as well, those young WRs have come a long way and fast.

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Brian Schottenheimer from the Jets would be nice to have

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Brian Schottenheimer's getting fired soon I believe. Fairly in some aspects, unfairly in others. He hasn't utilized Dustin Keller at all, and a lot of people complain that he doesn't throw the ball enough to braylon edwards. But remember that it's Mark Sanchez throwing the ball (not him), and he has a tendency to throw untimely interceptions. BSchott just calls the plays

Schottenheimer has some built up anger at rex ryan due to him criticizing him openly by saying he would take more control with mark sanchez. So it's possible he could even resign.

But this latest loss to the falcons. People are pissed in Jets country. Brian Schottenheimer will be available.

I dunno if Holmgren would pick him up, although if Mangini stays here, (and they get along?) it could be a good fit. Same offensive system too probably!