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Here's a video link of Mort talking about Holmgren and Shanahan. Video Link
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Mort just said it might be a 10 year/$50 million deal.  Talk about stability. 
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Although I'v disliked Mangini from the start, I would love to to see Holmgren work something out so that Mangini and Rob Ryan stay on, while Holmgren does his thing to get our offense going. - Optimal situation for us fans.
However, I don't see it going down like that.
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Saw that...wowzers...
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Tulsa...great find...
I heard Mort say that but could not find anything in print to post.
It sure sounds like great news for us dawgs...
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Dang,, I just watched that,, at the same time, Channel 3 WKYC here in Cleveland was talking about Holmgren and it seems to be that a decision is coming as soon as tomorrow...
Grossi wrote that also.. the article and link are in holmgren part II
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It sounds like the Seahawks fans and media are not happy about the Seahawks late run at signing Holmgren.
So, Browns fans continue to wait...hopefully, not much longer, if Mort knows what he's talking about...
Mike Holmgren Offer Was Just a PR Move by Seattle Seahawks' Spin Doctors
by Chris Cluff
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Make no mistake about it. The Seahawks’ sudden “flirtation” with Mike Holmgren was all about spin.
With so many people clamoring for the Hawks to “return to their glory days” by bringing back the only coach to ever take them to the Super Bowl, the Hawks just wanted their fans to think they truly considered doing it.
So they carried out this sham of an interview, extending Holmgren an offer they knew he wouldn’t take. And they know Holmgren is too professional to show his disappointment or publicly reveal what he thinks of the offer—whether it provided too little power or too little money or both.
Holmgren has to be disappointed; Seattle was obviously where he wanted to be. But the Seahawks can now move on satisfied that they have put out the PR fire that was beginning to flare up.
So why do we think it was just a PR move? Let us read between the lines in the comments made by CEO Tod Leiweke.
First line from the Seahawks’ statement: “The Seattle Seahawks announced today that discussions took place over the weekend with Mike Holmgren regarding a senior leadership position.”
Between the lines: The key words here are “senior leadership position”—an ambiguous term that omits the titles of “team president” and/or “general manager.”
Leiweke’s first comment: “Two weeks ago we announced we would use the balance of the season to conduct an audit of our football team. We believe our work will ultimately lead us to both an effective structure and leadership for the Seahawks.”
Between the lines: Leiweke was not interested in giving Holmgren sole control of the franchise. He probably offered Holmgren the nebulous position of team president, telling the one-time team boss that the franchise was still going to find a general manager who would be in charge of assembling the team’s personnel.
Leiweke’s next comment: “While that process [the internal evaluation] is ongoing, we also were aware of Mike Holmgren’s recent interview [with the Cleveland Browns] and associated time pressures and met with Mike over the weekend.”
Between the lines: What Leiweke probably meant was, “We’re really annoyed that Holmgren forced us to make a decision before the season and our evaluation are even over. So, to save face publicly, we reached out to him.”
Leiweke: “After a series of respectful discussions, Mike has declined our offer to rejoin the team given the structure we proposed.”
Between the lines: Leiweke wants everyone to think the Seahawks approached Holmgren in good faith and that he turned them down, not the other way around. Again, the structure the Seahawks proposed probably involved hiring a personnel manager who would have equal input to Holmgren, if not final say over the roster. Leiweke certainly knew Holmgren wouldn’t go for that.
Despite the spin he has put on the Holmgren situation, Leiweke has become Seahawk Enemy No. 1 for some fans who just can’t let go of the Holmgren years. Of course, those are the same people who forget that Holmgren was not a great personnel guy.
But now the Holmgren situation is resolved. He can go to Cleveland to once again be the Big Show, and the Hawks can go about finding a GM who can rebuild the parts of the team that require it.
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No question about it.. they had to do that just to keep the egg off thier face..
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Except for the dislike from the start part...that pretty much sums up with my "WISHES" also. Best of two worlds.
Mangini can continue with his theories of Discipline, and football intelligence as a TEAM.
Ryan can continue with the defense which seems to have reached a zone of them getting it! Now to put an influx of talent and upgrades!
And the Offense...which I truly believe is Broken. I truly believe Daboll is in over his head...again not so much in PLAY CALLING (that is over rated) but in the organization of it from teaching to Execution!
And I would hope that Holmgren will not MicroManage anything but be a strong influence in FIXING what is Broke on this team.
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No question about it.. they had to do that just to keep the egg off thier face..
Daman...I doubt the Seahawk fans are going to buy the spin though...I saw some poll of the fans that was approx. 70-30 in favor of Seahawks hiring Holmgren.
I read the comment below from the article I posted and thought how much it sounded like the talk that came from the Browns front office a few years ago...
Leiweke’s first comment: “Two weeks ago we announced we would use the balance of the season to conduct an audit of our football team. We believe our work will ultimately lead us to both an effective structure and leadership for the Seahawks.”
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An "audit"?...makes the players and coaches sound like they are just part of another Paul Allen business...
I guess the Seahawks like those many layers of management...thank goodness Holmgren did not want a be a token member of the Seahawks front office.
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I just don't see all the Love for EM. now ?? I mean do you really think his FA. picks were all that much ? Do you really think his Draft was even decent ? Do you think his talent evaluations ( who suits up and gets in the game ) are all that good ? Do you think his Game day's are all that ? We still have three games : But at this point . I can't sell myself on a second year with a new Boss coming in . Oh yea his selection of Daboll as the OC 
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I'll say this first: I don't believe that Mangini will be back next year. Whether it's Holmgren or someone else, that person is going to want to bring in his guy.
These past few games, though, I think the Browns have shown some improvement. I'm not talking "moral victories", but we have had more positives coming out of these last few games. It makes me wonder if it just took a while for this team to get on "track."
The key for me is going to be these last 3 games. What if we come out and really click and win all 3? You can't tell me that, earlier this season, 5 wins was like winning the Super Bowl.
I'm not happy with the way this team has played, not at all. If Mangini is gone at 4:05 on January 3, 2010, so be it. I'll say good luck to him, and let's move on.
But if we do well these last 3 weeks, it makes it a little harder to just get rid of the guy.
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I wouldn't mind Mangini for another year just because you can't tell after one year. This year, he was GM/Coach even though he didn't have the title but let's face it, he was in charge of everything this year. If they keep him on as just a coach I'd be interested in what he can do. If Holmgren says "see ya" I'd understand as sometimes you just need to bring your people in. The only thing I hope is that if we switch coaches, we go to a 4-3 because we never have the personnel for the 3-4 and with 11 picks in the draft, it'd be easier to fill the holes for a 4-3 then a 3-4 IMO.
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"I just don't see all the Love for EM. now ??"
First n foremost...I've liked him from the start and actually seen his camps personally and saw how he coached and knew that he was the best thing for the Browns in the state that we were in!
FA picks? I think they were sound and no that is not why I liked Mangini to come here. I don't think a lot was really there for him. You have to be very prudent in what you invest in FA...big time that is...the 2nd 3rd tier guys...can come n go.
He pretty much had a plan...and for his plan the FA picks were pretty good.
You first have to understand the plan. To bring in quick...and Wholesale the Mangini way (Parcells way) discipline and disciplined intelligent schemes predicated with TEAM WORK!!! Those Jets FA's and there weren't as many as people claim but they were important for LEADERSHIP!!
Do I think his talent evaluations are any good? Heck yeah...I can't believe some are watching all that goes on in DjangoBrown Glasses  There was actually a theory involved. And it revolved in getting...TOUGH and SMART - FOOTBALL PLAYERS!!!! Yeah I think his evaluations are good.
But guess what...the whole premise of what lies in the future basically has nothing to do with his FA acquisitions...nor his talent evaluations for bringing players here.
I would hope he paints the puzzle picture and our new GM will go out and get pieces that FIT!!!
Do I think his Game plans are any good. Actually from what I've seen the game plans have been VERY GOOD. I think the offense is BROKE under Daboll - but D n ST are spot on.
I see nothing wrong in Trusnik nor Roth nor Moore for you to question his ability to evaluate TALENT...talk about squeezing water out of stone. He did a pretty good job. Add draft picks and Stuckey/Trusnik for BE??? What a moron...lol 
The only thing I have issues with Mangini was his QB competition and the handling of it.
am I guaranteeing Mangini stays. No but I'll debate anyone who states it is a bad thing! and you didn't exactly win me over there. Sorry
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"IF", the Holmgren is hired (by the Browns) announcement comes tomorrow, don't expect it to say anything about Holmgren being hired as Head Coach.
I was reading something about the Rooney rule and how the Redskins were reported to have interviewed GMs ahead of time, before their GM, Cerrato, resigned.
It was reported that the Redskins had also interviewed minority head coaching prospects too, hoping to comply with the Rooney rule requirements prior to hiring a new HC.
Just one problem...it looks as though the NFL is putting the brakes on interviewing coaching candidates, before there is a vacancy.
Here is the link to the story.. web page
How does this affect the Browns and Holmgren?
...The way I read it, the Browns would not be able to announce that Holmgren has been hired to coach, until there is an opening and until minority candidates have been interviewed, thus abiding by the Rooney rule.
If Holmgren is hired by the Browns, it will be interesting to see how the announcement is worded, especially as it pertains to possible coaching vacancies.
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How about the way he botched the QB competion from the get-go? How about the fact that not one, but two QB's regressed badly from previous levels of play? What about the fact that two 2nd round draft picks have been inactive on gameday as often as they've been active? (That alone represents either poor talent evaluation or poor coaching, IMO.)
Sorry, but I disagree ... I don't see how he stays. 2-11 says it all.
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Cleveland Browns waiting for Mike Holmgren to decide on scope of job
By Tony Grossi
December 20, 2009, 11:55AM
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- It's sounding more and more as if Mike Holmgren will accept the Browns' job because of the option to coach the team in addition to being its chief executive.
Holmgren turned down an offer from his beloved Seattle Seahawks to be president of the team, according to the Seattle Times.
Holmgren's abrupt change of heart stunned media and fans in Seattle. As late as Friday afternoon, Holmgren talked on his radio show of wanting to return to the Seahawks.
Holmgren also pointed out the attractions in Cleveland were the absence of "layers" of management between him and owner Randy Lerner, and also the option to do "any and all" of the jobs of president, GM and coach.
ESPN's Chris Mortensen confirmed a report by The Plain Dealer that Holmgren is expected to notify the Browns of his decision on their offer by Monday. Mortensen also reported the Browns' deal to be in the range of $50 million over 10 years.
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The anti Cleveland bias stills rears it's ugly head. The pregame doofuses led by Bradshaw all agree that Shanahan to the Redskins was by far more important and a better move than Holmgren to run the Browns.
Bradshaw led the way spouting something while everyone else was talking over him.
Apparently Joe Jones dropping him on his head has latent effects. What an idiot!
I figure that the turning of the Browns fotunes would deprive these unoriginal wanna be comedian pundits of so much material that they are worried!
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Oldmutt...Bradshaw is still smarting from the Steelers loss to the Browns last week...lol.
I could care less what TV talking heads say about Holmgren to the Browns. Until the Browns earn it on the football field, they are not going to get much respect from the biased X-football talking heads employed by various TV networks...
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I'd agree Mac, I'd certainly agree. 
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Daman...I doubt the Seahawk fans are going to buy the spin though...
Who would blame them.. it seemed pretty darn tranparent to me that the hawks didn't want him back... The fans aren't gonna like it much..,
you wanna see them like it even less.. wait until he comes here and turns us into a winner... Leiweke will get run out of town on a rail....LOL
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Aren't they just part of another Paul Allen business? it's funny, we get it drummed into our heads by players, coaches and occasionally owners that this is a business first.. So I guess it shouldn't come as a surprise...
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I was watching the pregame show and Casserly said that he spoke with Holmgren last night and said that he was going to let the Browns know of his decision real soon. That's not new news. The point I'm making is that Holmgren was talking to Casserly about the decision. If I'm reading the tea leaves right, maybe Casserly will be offered the GM role under Holmgren. Wouldn't that be having our cake and eating it too?!? I really think we're going to have an allstar cast of coaches and personnel.
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that or Casserly is just filling his reporter-like role and asking questions 
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Did you also hear the part about no new contract for Cribbs until the new GM gets aboard.
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Ughhh...Mmmm, I think Cribbs has pretty much sealed his new contract today!
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I did hear that. That should be the first thing he does on Tuesday. Right after he flies to Cleveland to sign his contract!  
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Oh yeah,, he's earned it forsure..
And yeah Road,, that should be the first order of business
Give the man his money
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Hey you don't have to be sorry  .. I hardly ever agree with your assessment of this team .. I look at our win/loss record since our return / players FA/Drafted and coach's hired since 99 , and I feel very vindicated with MY assessments season in and season out ..
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Mangini digs in even more. Lerner has got a problem.
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Ehh. Two miracle returns and a career day against a terrible run team?
Not taking anything from Cribbs and Harrison at all but we weren't exactly stellar.
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Mangini digs in even more. Lerner has got a problem.
We gave up 34 points to the Chiefs...
Mangini should be and hopefully will be fired.
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Mangini digs in even more. Lerner has got a problem.
I laugh at you. Your so nihilistic against Mangini you can't even see straight.
We gave up 34 points to the Chiefs...
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I don't care if it's Holmgren, Cowher, or Jesus H. Christ: I don't want anybody to be both head coach and GM!
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Just Rob Ryan, please...
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I don't get this infatuation with Rob Ryan ... we have the 31st ranked defense in the NFL and we got gashed today for 491 total yards by the 30th ranked offense in the NFL. Yes, it was a win, but mostly due to two aberrant performances by Cribbs and Harrison. You are not usually going to see two 100 yd KO returns and a nearly 300 yd rusher. Absent those two guys, we get our asses handed to us today.
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You know, your comment about Rob Ryan holds some water.
I think a lot of people love him because he throws a lot of stuff at the opposing offenses, we blitz more, etc.
However, our bigger problem may be that we don't have the talent, that if we did have some more talent (or not as many injuries), our defense would be that much better.
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It was fun to watch but yeah I'm not sure you can tell much from this.
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Dave...Ryan is working with barely NFL backup level talent. David Bowens is his second best defensive player right now...we have no talent on the D.
I want to see Ryan with some talent before I judge him and I hope Holmgren thinks the same thing.
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