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I saw on NFL Network last night that according to Mike Lombardi: His league sources have told him the name that they have heard for Cleveland's GM position is Randy Mueller who is also being considered for the Seattle GM position. He is suppose to be very tight with Holmgren. Here is an article on him: http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/11/23/1171174/prospective-seahawks-general
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wouldn't mind him at all if Holmgren picks him...definitely has experience as well. But Lombardi doesn't know anything but I must admit a very good educated GUESS.
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Heard from whom? Heard from Holmgren? Heard from Lerner? As I understand it, MH has basically 100% control to make this pick so unless he is saying Mueller, then it doesn't mean much.
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I've heard that Holmgren is going to clone himself and make MHII the GM.
I mean, that has as much proof as the other stuff we're seeing.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I don't know how well that will work...I mean did you see Multiplicity????And heaven forbid they make a clone from one of the clones and we have a Head Coach running around saying "I Like Pizza!!!" 
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and we have a Head Coach running around saying "I Like Pizza!!!"
RAC was fired last year. 
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No No No....didn't you see the commercials...Romeo talks to Beer Cans.....
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They got out of the Rooney Rule by making Holmgren the President.. something to do with his role that not only is football operations related, but everything else from accounting to marketing.. (read that on an article this morning but don't have time to hunt for it at this moment)
But what that means is that for a GM, they MUST interview a minority candidate.. No way out of it..
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Wasn't Mueller responsible for the 1-15 disaster in Miami?
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Wasn't Mueller responsible for the 1-15 disaster in Miami?
He was there, not sure if that makes him responsible for it or not... That was the year after Saban left (after 2 years) and Saban had complete roster control so Mueller would have had very little input into who was on that roster.
He has been in the NFL in some type of player personnel or executive role since 1983... 26 years... so I'm sure if we scoured his history we could find many good things and I'm sure some bad things as well....
Like this... with the Seahawks he traded Rick Mirer to the Bears for a first round pick and used that pick to draft Walter Jones... I'd say that ranks on the plus side. 
the big question is, will he buy into the vision and does he play well in the sandbox with others...
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I'm in the Reggie McKenzie camp.
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So am I ..McKenzie would be a good choice for GM..
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Say it ain't so...Randy Mueller is horrible  I'd rather prefer someone completely new...so there at least would be hope...his MIA drafts were absolutely horrible and yeah ultimately responsible for the mess Parcells had to take over I hope this is false....man, can we do it right ONCE? just ONCE please??? Anyway...Merry Christmas to all 
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I'd rather prefer someone completely new...
LOL.. I thought everybody wanted somebody with experience.
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.his MIA drafts were absolutely horrible and yeah ultimately responsible for the mess Parcells had to take over
Which drafts? Saban had final say in the drafts when he was there so by my count, Mueller had exactly 1 draft in Miami.. how do you create a mess with 1 draft unless what you started with was already a mess?
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Say it ain't so...Randy Mueller is horrible
I'd rather prefer someone completely new...so there at least would be hope...his MIA drafts were absolutely horrible and yeah ultimately responsible for the mess Parcells had to take over
I hope this is false....man, can we do it right ONCE? just ONCE please???
Anyway...Merry Christmas to all
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On June 6, 2005 Mueller was hired as the general manager for the Miami Dolphins. Because then head coach Nick Saban had the final say on all roster moves, unlike most NFL general managers Mueller did not have control over player personnel decisions. After Saban's departure in January 2007, Mueller's authority increased as he took over responsibility for player personnel decisions. Mueller was also heavily involved in the team's search for its next head coach and eventual hiring of San Diego Chargers offensive coordinator Cam Cameron. On June 26, 2007 Mueller signed a contract extension that was expected to keep him with the team as general manager through at least 2009. Mueller was also to receive a salary adjustment, details of which were not publicly unavailable. web page
So, Mueller had control over the Dolphin roster moves for "maybe", one year, 2007. We really don't know how much control Mueller had over the 2007 draft either.
Obviously Mueller's record as the Dolphins GM did not bother the Chargers because after Parcells fired Mueller on Dec 31, 2007, the Chargers hired him as a senior executive, a position he still holds.
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"Say it ain't so...Randy Mueller is horrible"
You are incredible...take the front runner and start already about you being smarter. You are something else. 
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"Say it ain't so...Randy Mueller is horrible"
You are incredible...take the front runner and start already about you being smarter. You are something else.
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Django's right though. Mueller is not a good GM.
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So, he hired Cam Cameron... drafted: #9 WR Ginn #40 QB Beck #60 C Satele #71RB L.Booker #108 NT Soliai #181 FB Mauia #199 G Mormino #219 LB K.Smith #225 P Fields #238 LB A.Wright FA TE Martin OLB Porter (6+mil/year) WR K.Campbell K Feely FB Schlesinger S Worrell G Liwienski OT Rosenthal ...and many other even less known scrubs they went 1-15...."thank god for Greg Camarillo" is a running gag now I rest my case 
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how do you create a mess with 1 draft unless what you started with was already a mess?
1st round: Ted Ginn - perennial underachiever and most hated player on the roster
2nd round: John Beck - cut after one season
2nd round: Samson Satele - traded for a 6th round pick
3rd round: Lorenzo Booker - traded for a 4th round pick
4th round: Paul Soliai - backup
6th round: Reagan Mauia - cut after one season
6th round: Drew Mormino - cut after one season
7th round: Kelvin Smith - cut after one season
7th round: Brandon Fields - mediocre punter
7th round: Abraham Wright - cut after one season
That's pretty much how you mess up with one draft.
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We really don't know how much control Mueller had over the 2007 draft either.
I do. He had full control over the Dolphins roster in 2007.
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Damn!
How come I always agree with the guy that makes everybody mad?
I do know Dolphin's fans that thought Mueller was incompetent at player evaluation. One celebrated the day he was let go.
I'll trust MH on this one.
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So Mueller Passed on Quinn? hmmmm
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I'll trust MH on this one.
I have to laugh at those who want to question Holmgren's judgement, should he pick this guy Mueller.
It's ok I guess, there will always be arm chair QBs who believe they could do it better or their judgement is better than anyone...even Mike Holmgren.
I trust Mike to pick his GM.
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So Mueller Passed on Quinn? hmmmm
Interesting, hadnt thought of that. Not only did he pass on Quinn, he passed on him for Ginn.
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Interesting, hadnt thought of that. Not only did he pass on Quinn, he passed on him for Ginn.
Not really. He passed on Quinn for John Beck. The Dolphins had rated both QBs at an equal level in 2007 and figured they could get Beck in the second round - that basically left them with a "free selection" in the first round which they used on Ginn (of all people).
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Interesting, hadnt thought of that. Not only did he pass on Quinn, he passed on him for Ginn.
Not really. He passed on Quinn for John Beck. The Dolphins had rated both QBs at an equal level in 2007 and figured they could get Beck in the second round - that basically left them with a "free selection" in the first round which they used on Ginn (of all people).
There is no such thing as a Free selection in the first round. That is a vital pick to get right for any franchise. And the fact that they felt it was better for their team to pick up a mediocre receiver/special teams ace for their franchise VS Quinn says something of their views on Brady.
Whatever they did in the rest of the draft is irrelevant to this discussion. In round 1 they valued Ginn over Quinn.
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While you're technically right, in the context of the example he was using, he's correct, it was a free pick.
When you have two guys rated identically, and can get one of them in the 2nd round, that frees up your 1st rounder to take someone else, resulting in what one could view as a free pick.
Unfortunately for us, the Fish, and the Al Davis's, 2007 was one of the most pathetic QB drafts in the history of the league.
Things can change, but we're now 3 years after that draft. So who is the best QB to come out of that entire class? Is it Russel? How about Quinn? Obviously, a "Hell no" on both parts.
So what about Beck? He played badly in brief appearances and was released.
Trent Edwards? He had a decent sophomore year with an 85 rating, but has looked bad this season. He's been put on ice, and doesn't look like he has much game.
Kevin Kolb shows some promise, but doesn't have enough work yet to make a determination.
Drew Stanton was a 2nd rounder. You expect that guy to be a starter. The Lions took Stafford. 'Nuff said.
In the 3rd round the Cowboys took a guy named Stanback. He's now a receiver for the Pats, hehe.
The Bengals took some cat named Rowe. I wonder if he's the same receiver the Browns flopped on in the early 90's.
Troy Smith to the Ravens! He's gonna be great! Enter Joe Flacco, and que Smith to probable free agency.
Jordan Palmer to the Redskins. Whoops, now to the end of the Bengals bench.
In terms of value, the best guy has been 7th rounder Tyler Thigpen, who put up 18 TD's and 12 INt's for a bad Chiefs team in '08 before being dealt to the Dolphins.
This turned out to be a pathetic draft for QB's. Not a single one of'em is locked into a starters gig next season.
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Something tells me we're giving up high picks for Kevin Kolb. As in next year's #1 and this year's #2.
Consider Holmgren's relationship with Andy Reid and his likely desire to run the WCO.
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That would be the spiked egg-nog. My advice: Grab a diet-coke instead. 
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That would be the spiked egg-nog. My advice: Grab a diet-coke instead.
Drinking a Coke Zero as we speak
Maybe not something that high, perhaps a 2 and a 3.
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That would be the spiked egg-nog. My advice: Grab a diet-coke instead.
Drinking a Coke Zero as we speak
Maybe not something that high, perhaps a 2 and a 3.
Considering that at least average QB play would of really helped this year I wouldn't be surprised.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I see this years QB class being the same. I hope we go after someone like Kolb or maybe Campbell. I think just average play would be an upgrade. I've been watching replays of Quinn, and I have to say the guy is terrible. The things he does bad are the things you can't coach. DA is a written book, everyone should know his downfalls. Anderson has a confidence problem that seems immature to me. Quinn just has no accuracy at all.
I was watching high school championship games, and it dawned on me how bad Quinn is, and Anderson for that fact. I saw 12thy graders making routine passes over the middle, short dumpoffs in the backfield, and leading recievers downfield, all while being chased and harrassed. These kids were connecting downfield dropping the ball in the recievers hands while said reciever was at full speed. Then I went back and watched replays of some of our games.....we have NO QB.
I've come to the point where I wouldn't have confidence in either one of these guys even coming off the bench and helping in a pinch. They both lack fundemental skills necessary to compete at this level, and after watching high schoolers make the throws effortlessly, these two look absolutely pitiful.
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And what was that season like? Was Parcells there? Did not Saban just got up and left at seasons end...Was he given time to set up the program with scouts, coaches.
What about his previous work?
And what about him and Holmgren getting on the same page and working together.
There is a lot about a TEAM that you just don't know...you think you know...but you just don't know. You just see the Strat-O-Matic cards and pretend you can make a team better than any of these out there. You've had a free run pounding your chest like the fall of Mangini vindicates your status as Fantasy GM. 
You go and take one year where he took over power in Jan from a POWER guy Saban with ownership changing hands and basically on temp control of something dying before the same year they hire Parcells.
Of course you conveniently left out:
Mueller drafted Joey Galloway, Shawn Springs, Pete Kendall, Phillip Daniels, Walter Jones, Anthony Simmons and Ahman Green for the Seahawks. He was integral in Seattle escaping Rick Mirer. Mueller traded Mirer to Chicago for a first round pick in 1997.
He went on to work for the Saints starting in 2000. There he helped clean up another coach-executed disaster, flipping Ricky Williams to the Miami Dolphins for two first round picks in 2002. In three season with the Saints, Mueller drafted Marc Bulger, Darren Howard, Kevin Houser, Deuce McAllister, Moran Norris, Donte Stallworth, Charles Grant and LeCharles Bentley.
I think he has more than showed he can see good talent and he will not be on his own. A GM has to work with the HC on a draft in that one year of Miami there was not much time to put together a good draft team.
But what about all the previous success.
How bout the fact there is somebody who knows exactly how it is to be run with a distinct Power Guy ahead of him making sure of the direction and assisting in making sure the right parts are there for him to do what he does best.
I don't know if this guy will be THE GUY!...What I do know is right now in the GUESSING stages the Bozo's are doing right now (until there are things for them to really find out like who is visiting or who Holmgren is visiting) RM is near the top of that list.
And right away Mr. Fantasy GM starts placing him well behind his standards 
So Ammo what's your excuse...you're still a teenager?
What you got to figure out...is with the strong but not meddling hands of Holmgren at the head...would not an experienced man who knows how to make trades who knows and has conducted good drafts. Lead a pretty good scouting team that hasn't had many things to brag about. Does Randy Mueller fit the situation?
I don't know...but those ragging on him and setting themselves up as smarter is just ludicrous!
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Me too. I like Floyd Reese too, but I think he'd be my second choice at this point.
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What excuse? The proof is in the pudding, tabber! None of Mueller's teams have been exceptional. All have either been mediocre or downright horrendous. He hired Cam Cameron. Cam Cameron is THE face of failure.  You can say Saban never gave him full authority and that's fine...but a 6-10 team went to 1-15 under his watch. He drafted TED GINN JR. #9 OVERALL!!! Anyone who's watched Ohio State knows Ginn was not a good NFL receiver despite his speed! Consider the body of work that Mueller's put together and it's a body of work that is mediocre.
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You can say Saban never gave him full authority and that's fine...but a 6-10 team went to 1-15 under his watch.
ammo...Saban had control of the draft and roster during his two years before Cameron took over and the team was on the decline, with a 6-10 record after going 9-7 the year before, Saban's first season.
I invite you to take a look at the Dolphins 1-15 season under Cameron and you will see that they were in most of the their games. I know Parcells is good, but let's not claim he walks on water. He didn't come into a situation where the cupboard was bare, that is obvious.
As for Mueller, we don't even know if "he" is the guy Holmgren is looking to hire, do we?
But, if Mueller is Holmgren's guy, what matters the most is "the two of them working together well"...not satisfying some fans on a message board...right?
If Mueller is the guy Holmgren hires as GM...fine with me.
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I don't know...but those ragging on him and setting themselves up as smarter is just ludicrous!
The easiest thing to do, regarding a very bad team, is to harp on the negatives. Because the negatives will obviously far outweigh the positives and it will make one appear to be right in many regards.
The talking heads do this all the time. How many of them were solidly in favor of the Browns having success going into the '07 season? Few if any. Then, once we started putting up points and winning games they all exclaimed, "I knew they could do it".
Another easy thing to do is to expect a team to be more competitive in a tear down year by confusing what the plan really is. To speak as though the plan is to upgrade and become more competitive when in actually it is a tear down/evaluation season it's easy to cry foul when the team does not become more competitive. It's easy to point out mistakes in why we have not become more competitive but forgetting, or not realizing, that this was not the plan in the beginning.
When faced with finishing a house that has only been partially built, if I begin by tearing some of it down so I can fix the foundation to better build upon, passers by can point and say, "He isn't finishing it at all, he's making it worse. There's less there now than when he started." What they fail to realize is that was my plan from the beginning. Once I'm satisfied with the foundation I can then build upon it.
Randy Mueller, if hired, is as qualified as anyone to set all this right. Just like a RB's or WR's or QB's numbers is dependent on a lot more than their own specific skills the success of a GM is also dependent on a lot more than his own talent evaluation. He can go out and get the best available talent but if they aren't coached well or the cast around them isn't up to the challenge then a potential pro bowl player can be thought to be a bust because he can't put up the numbers people believe he's capable of.
That's one reason that "Stats are for Losers". They take into account only the one individual and neglect to weigh in all the other variables that play a part in them. A great wide receiver on a team with a bad OL, a crap QB and no running game and his stats will show him to be a bust. Same guy on a team with a solid OL, QB and running game and he is praised for being great. The numbers themselves are a result of team play; not individual play.
It's the same thing for Presidents, GM's and the coaching ranks. Each of them has a boss and all the bosses must be on the same page or the entire hiearchy fails regardless of the individual abilities of the individuals.
Hopefully what we have here now is an owner who will stay out of the way and allow the President to set the tone for everyone below him and those below him will buy into his vision and do their best to comply. Right now with Holmgren in charge we can only hope, and even expect, that he will bring in the right people whom he can work with and really, their past successes and failures shouldn't even come into play.
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