DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum According to nfl.com we pick 8th in the draft... now what?

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league&season=2009-REG&split=Overall

NFL - 2009 Regular Season
NFL Team Conf Div W L T Pct PF PA Net Pts TD Home Road Div Pct Conf Pct Non-Conf Streak Last 5
*- Indianapolis Colts AFC ACS 14 2 0 .875 416 307 109 53 7-1 7-1 6-0 1.000 10-2 .833 4-0 2L 3-2
*- New Orleans Saints NFC NCS 13 3 0 .813 510 341 169 64 6-2 7-1 4-2 .667 9-3 .750 4-0 3L 2-3
z- San Diego Chargers AFC ACW 13 3 0 .813 454 320 134 51 6-2 7-1 5-1 .833 9-3 .750 4-0 11W 5-0
z- Minnesota Vikings NFC NCN 12 4 0 .750 470 312 158 56 8-0 4-4 5-1 .833 9-3 .750 3-1 1W 2-3
z- Dallas Cowboys NFC NCE 11 5 0 .688 361 250 111 43 6-2 5-3 4-2 .667 9-3 .750 2-2 3W 3-2
y- Green Bay Packers NFC NCN 11 5 0 .688 461 297 164 54 6-2 5-3 4-2 .667 9-3 .750 2-2 2W 4-1
y- Philadelphia Eagles NFC NCE 11 5 0 .688 429 337 92 47 6-2 5-3 4-2 .667 9-3 .750 2-2 1L 4-1
z- Cincinnati Bengals AFC ACN 10 5 0 .667 305 254 51 34 6-2 4-3 6-0 1.000 7-4 .636 3-1 1W 3-2
z- Arizona Cardinals NFC NCW 10 6 0 .625 375 325 50 46 4-4 6-2 4-2 .667 8-4 .667 2-2 1L 3-2
z- New England Patriots AFC ACE 10 6 0 .625 427 285 142 50 8-0 2-6 4-2 .667 7-5 .583 3-1 1L 3-2
Atlanta Falcons NFC NCS 9 7 0 .563 363 325 38 44 6-2 3-5 3-3 .500 6-6 .500 3-1 3W 3-2
y- Baltimore Ravens AFC ACN 9 7 0 .563 391 261 130 47 6-2 3-5 3-3 .500 7-5 .583 2-2 1W 3-2
Houston Texans AFC ACS 9 7 0 .563 388 333 55 46 4-4 5-3 1-5 .167 6-6 .500 3-1 4W 4-1
Pittsburgh Steelers AFC ACN 9 7 0 .563 368 324 44 41 6-2 3-5 2-4 .333 6-6 .500 3-1 3W 3-2
New York Jets AFC ACE 8 7 0 .533 311 236 75 33 3-4 5-3 2-4 .333 6-5 .545 2-2 1W 4-1
Carolina Panthers NFC NCS 8 8 0 .500 315 308 7 35 5-3 3-5 4-2 .667 8-4 .667 0-4 3W 4-1
Denver Broncos AFC ACW 8 8 0 .500 326 324 2 34 4-4 4-4 3-3 .500 6-6 .500 2-2 4L 1-4
New York Giants NFC NCE 8 8 0 .500 402 427 -25 46 4-4 4-4 4-2 .667 6-6 .500 2-2 2L 2-3
San Francisco 49ers NFC NCW 8 8 0 .500 330 281 49 39 6-2 2-6 5-1 .833 7-5 .583 1-3 2W 3-2
Tennessee Titans AFC ACS 8 8 0 .500 354 402 -48 39 5-3 3-5 2-4 .333 4-8 .333 4-0 1W 3-2
Chicago Bears NFC NCN 7 9 0 .438 327 375 -48 36 5-3 2-6 3-3 .500 5-7 .417 2-2 2W 3-2
Jacksonville Jaguars AFC ACS 7 9 0 .438 290 380 -90 34 5-3 2-6 3-3 .500 6-6 .500 1-3 4L 1-4
Miami Dolphins AFC ACE 7 9 0 .438 360 390 -30 41 4-4 3-5 4-2 .667 5-7 .417 2-2 3L 2-3
Buffalo Bills AFC ACE 6 10 0 .375 258 326 -68 25 3-5 3-5 2-4 .333 4-8 .333 2-2 1W 2-3
Cleveland Browns AFC ACN 5 11 0 .313 245 375 -130 25 3-5 2-6 1-5 .167 5-7 .417 0-4 4W 4-1
Oakland Raiders AFC ACW 5 11 0 .313 197 379 -182 16 2-6 3-5 2-4 .333 4-8 .333 1-3 2L 2-3
Seattle Seahawks NFC NCW 5 11 0 .313 280 390 -110 29 4-4 1-7 3-3 .500 4-8 .333 1-3 4L 1-4
Kansas City Chiefs AFC ACW 4 12 0 .250 294 424 -130 31 1-7 3-5 2-4 .333 3-9 .250 1-3 1W 1-4
Washington Redskins NFC NCE 4 12 0 .250 266 336 -70 27 3-5 1-7 0-6 .000 2-10 .167 2-2 3L 1-4
Tampa Bay Buccaneers NFC NCS 3 13 0 .188 244 400 -156 28 1-7 2-6 1-5 .167 3-9 .250 0-4 1L 2-3
Detroit Lions NFC NCN 2 14 0 .125 262 494 -232 28 2-6 0-8 0-6 .000 1-11 .083 1-3 6L 0-5
St. Louis Rams NFC NCW 1 15 0 .063 175 436 -261 17 0-8 1-7 0-6 .000 1-11 .083 0-4 8L 0-5


We finished in the bottom 1/4 again... Where do we go from here? The 8th pick is sure a lot better financially than #1. Are you impressed by the performance do you think we can get good value at number 8? vs #3-5?

not correct....we pick 7th...

LINK

We Get An O lineman

how we beat oakland?

ps the link doesn't work

Eric Berry por favor.

It's a little early. I have to see the combine and workouts as well as the resigning and signing of free agents to get a better feel for who is out there that will either help us the most or make the biggest impact.

I'd love to see Eric Berry trade in that light orange for a darker, brighter version in Cleveland.

But there's a few positions that will need shored up, but we don't know who we will resign, and which holes can be filled via free agency.

Harrison is looking like a winner now that he's been given (a very late) chance to carry the load. But he is a free agent. If he's not resigned, we will be hurting badly. We still don't know what we have with James Davis. Looked good in preseason, but missed the entire year basically.

We need a starting CB, we need a pass rusher at LB. Are we even going to be running a 3-4? See, too many questions still out there that need answered first. We need a WR badly. We need a S. And our right side of the OL needs work.

So there's plenty of options. There's just too many questions to be answered first before we can even start to guess who we may draft.

NRTU

Not trying to be negative here, but this is going to be the weirdest offseason ever unless the CBA gets redone before March 1. Unless a player has at least 6 years of service with an expired contract, they are just a restricted free agent. This will play havoc on anyone even trying to guess off-season/draft scenarios before March 1. Also, you could about figure if the CBA doesn't get done by March 1, we're probably looking at a strike/lock-out in 2011. My guess is we won't see much action done until the CBA gets completed, or March 1.

It's not based on head-to-head rather opponents' winning percent when there is a tie. The Browns' opponents had a lower winning percent (thus Browns had easier schedule) overall then Oakland's, thus we pick ahead of them.

Don't forget Harrison is one of those grey area FA's this year that could turn into a RFA if they owners and NFLPA don't strike a deal.

I hate all the hype with the combine. If they haven't shined while playing I don't give hoot what they do there. Numbers are crap.

The combine is what it is, a valuable, but not the end all, for information on a prospective player. The information isn't meant to be the primary indicator of a player's potential. It's just another piece IMO.

If Eric Berry is as good as scouts say he is (IE: Ed Reed/Sean Taylor) no way he makes it past the Seattle or Kansas City..both of which severly need defensive backfield help(Pioli has a Bellichik record of drafting defense early most years, no way Pioli passes on his better version of Rodney Harrison) and will not pass on such a safety prospect, and if he does the Seahawks will not.

Suh, and Berry are a pipe dream and will not fall to the 7th pick for us...this is actually "good news" for us

where we sit, we can easily trade down, or grab our frachise QB...either Clausen or Bradford will be on the board at the 7th spot, and i'd take either of them over any Qb we have on this roster...Clausen reminds me a lot of Matt Ryan, and Bradford looks a lot like Eli Manning, and i'd take either of them.

We can address defense in the second rd as many good defensive players will be available

don't get me wrong i'd love to have Berry or Suh for that matter, however neither one of them will be on the board when we pick, and QB is a big need for this team as both of ours are awful...there is a reason Holmgren is so anxious to talk to Mangini about the QB position(to tell him both Quinn and Anderson sucks and we need to draft one)

don't be suprised on draft day that we turn in the #7 card on a QB..and even though i personally don't like the sound of it, i totally understand why Holmgren is doing it...if you have two QB's you really don't have a QB, and Jason Campbell or some other um isn't the answer...maybe Hasselbeck as backup to help the rookie...but Quinn and Anderson are done, both of those guys are awful...if we had even an average QB we win 8 games this year with this pathetic team...we have the worst Qb situation in the league and Holmgren has every justification to draft one...

We pick 7th, not 8th, and if Berry is there, we better take him.

Okung - OT Ok St. Berry - Safety Tenn or Sam Bradford Qb Oklahoma.

Or trade down, acquire more picks, and pick the best O-tackle available with our first pick.

We have 15 picks, so we may end up bundling a few of 'em and getting another 2nd or 3rd rounder.

15???

I believe it's 11 picks.

I dont want us to draft a QB, like I said in another thread we should try to get the rights to Mike Vick....he would do wonders in a WCO, and would rather use the picks to beef up the line, and the D

until we have a elite O-Line I dont see the sense in going out and buying a shinny new corvette to drive on a gravel road....lets wait until we can prove our O-Line is capable of protecting, then we can drive our new car on a freshly paved road!

Mike Vick and the Dawg Pound? Come on now..

For the record, I would never want Vick. In the WCO you need a QB that's comfortable with timing and has great accuracy. No way that describes Vick even on his best day.

Agreed,....If you wanted to run a triple- or, read- option, then Vick might be your guy.

Now I can't remember where or what game I saw this kid,...an early Bowl, or one of the 1-AA playoff games, big hitting safety, running around smacking everything he saw.

I know I mentioned this player in another thread somewhere, but dang if I can find it,...

Help,...?

Go look on a draft site.Or review all your posts..

Here's the top 29 safeties. Maybe his name will pop out to you.

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Thank you so much for doing that,....!! Those must all be seniors, as Berry is not on there, so the kid I'm thinking of is probably an underclassman.

Appreciate the effort

Nah, this was either one of the early Bowls or a playoff game, Rutgers or Montana, UConn, I just can't remember,...and I even looked it up during the game I was watching,...

No big deal. I'll figure it out.

Oh it was Barry Church from Toledo. He's a monster! They were playing in the......damn, no bowl game for my alma mater.

Ya, keep thinking. I'm sure he'll find his way onto your mock draft board. We need a safety so it will be a high pick.

I saw Church on the list Bignasty provided,...wasn't him (but he is a 'looker.')

I saw yesterday that McShay was predicting we take Haden. I have to think that's pretty accurate since his prediction came out one day after the regular season ended.

Joe Haden Scouting Report
By Matt McGuire

Strengths:
Ridiculous level of production
Terrific closing burst
Eliminates space quickly
Breaks on ball smoothly
Has long speed to play on island
Very fluid hips
Physical corner; gets nice jam at LOS
Takes on blocks
Really lays the wood for a corner
Terrific in run support
Nice ball skills
Locates the football well in air
Nice timing on jump balls
Has soft hands
Effective on corner/nickel blitz (3 sacks, 3 hurries in 2009)
Played a lot of press man coverage
Well coached
Intense football player
Wonderful skill set
Still has some upside

Weaknesses:
Lacks some awareness and instincts
Could anticipate routes better
Sometimes loses focus
Vulnerable to inside moves
Some question listed height
Unimpressive in zone

Summary: Joe Haden is a very talented cornerback with a very well-rounded game, but some teams might be scared off by his lacking instincts, which is critical at the NFL level where pro receivers are great route runners. Haden's level of production and consistency will get him drafted in the top 15 picks. He is one of the better cornerback prospects in the last couple years. He shut down Alabama receiver Julio Jones in the 2009 SEC Championship.

Player Comparison: Leon Hall. Similar size, speed and skill set. Hall is also a great player against the run.



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Haden would actually be a solid pick..there's a big hole at CB opposite Wright and I hated the soft loose way our DB's have played all year.

There was an offensive linemen(Guard) in the Idaho vs Bowling Green Game that looked very impresive. I looked at the roster and I think he was Tevita Halaholo. I remember it was a Hawian sounding name.

They talked about him a few times and I focused on him. He looked like a pretty solid blocker. Maybe a 3rd round pick up.

Wasn't ragging on you, FA... I just thought you were joking since he's been brought up on this board. Gotta say, if you noticed an Idaho G during a bowl game as an NFL prospect and gave him the same draft grade as he initially had then a big to you!

Iupati is the best OG prospect to come out since Faneca and Ben Grubbs. My guess is he doesnt last past top 15, and specualtion that he has potential to be a top T in the NFL as well. Hopes of him in the 2nd rd are all but about gone I would say. But then again we said same thing last year with E. Brown and Rey Maualuga. I would say at this point it is HIGHLY unlikely.

It's cool, I didn't take it as any slam against me. I know I am not very knowledgeable on NCAA draft prospects. With him playing at Idaho I figured he wouldn't be the best prospect in NCAA at that position. I guess I was really wrong. Didn't like him enough to take him at 7 though. If he is there in the 2nd, sure.

Mark Schlereth played at Idaho,....he weren't no slouch,....

If Iapututi can become a Tackle, I say grab him. Question, did he play RG at Idaho ?