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It is now 2 o'clock. Where is Holmgren?
I think Mangini is trying to fire him.
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 Good job man,,, Perfect.. Thanks
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I know...just saying for a first year head coach with all the injuries and stuff it could have been worse.
Look at Tampa, Detroit and the Rams.
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It is now 2 o'clock. Where is Holmgren?
I think Mangini is trying to fire him.
Isn't Holmgren supposed to come on at 4?
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Maybe you were thinking he was on at 4:00 in Buenos Aires.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Which is why keeping Mangini or sending him on his way isn't about our record... it will be about two things.
First and most importantly, can Mangini and Holmgren operate on the same page and with a firm understanding of each persons responsibility...
Secondly will be his overall body of work, not so much wins and losses but how the team played, how they improved, etc...
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If he decides to dump Mangini...I just don't know who else is out there that would be better.
With everything that has happened this year...I think Holmgren has to be impressed with how Mangini was able to finish off the season.
We could have had 7 wins...the OT Cinci game and Detroit game came down to the end. We win those and we're 7-9...and I think it would be automatic that Mangini stays.
That being said...who knows what's gonna happen...how hard can it really be for these two to work together.
That's what I want to know, when you're making that kind of money, having a ball, playing a game,.....seriously, these people have never seen "pressure."
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OK,, I don't know if this is allowed,, I did indeed screw up on the last post,, hope this is allowed... Quote:
Browns have permission to interview Eagles GM Posted: January 5th, 2010 | Jason La Canfora | Tags: Cleveland Browns, Eric Mangini, Mike Holmgren, Philadelphia Eagles, Randy Mueller, Tom Heckert
The Eagles have granted the Browns permission to interview Tom Heckert for their vacant general manager job, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
Heckert has a strong track record as the Eagles’ GM and is well versed in the West Coast system that new Browns president Mike Holmgren will install in Cleveland.
Heckert and former Seahawks vice president of football operations Randy Mueller are favorites to land the position. Mueller is currently a senior executive with the Chargers following stints as GM of the Saints and Dolphins.
The Browns could install a GM by next week, according to a league source, and Holmgren also is very likely to fire coach Eric Mangini as he begins sweeping changes throughout the organization.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/01/05/browns-have-permission-to-interview-eagles-gm-heckert/
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What happened to the thread about this?
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What happened to the thread about this?
Got deleted.
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Browns have permission to interview Eagles GM Posted: January 5th, 2010 | Jason La Canfora | Tags: Cleveland Browns, Eric Mangini, Mike Holmgren, Philadelphia Eagles, Randy Mueller, Tom Heckert
The Eagles have granted the Browns permission to interview Tom Heckert for their vacant general manager job, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
Heckert has a strong track record as the Eagles’ GM and is well versed in the West Coast system that new Browns president Mike Holmgren will install in Cleveland.
Heckert and former Seahawks vice president of football operations Randy Mueller are favorites to land the position. Mueller is currently a senior executive with the Chargers following stints as GM of the Saints and Dolphins.
The Browns could install a GM by next week, according to a league source, and Holmgren also is very likely to fire coach Eric Mangini as he begins sweeping changes throughout the organization.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/01/05/browns-have-permission-to-interview-eagles-gm-heckert/
it should be allowable as it is a Blog from NFL.com from a jounalist with ten years expereince from the washington post, but what do i know.
if not try this link?
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Got deleted because of no confirmation I would guess.. Here is another article about mangini and Holmgren.. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4797744 Quote:
Holmgren to meet with ManginiComment Email Print Share ESPN.com news services
BEREA, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren has begun his first day of work at the team's facility, but his long-awaited meeting with coach Eric Mangini will wait another day.
League sources tell ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen that Holmgren will meet with Mangini on Wednesday.
The team said in a release that Holmgren, recently hired by Cleveland owner Randy Lerner to fix his NFL franchise, would be available to the media at 4 p.m. The one-sentence release did not mention if there would be any announcement or if Mangini would attend.
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Browns fans have been waiting to see whether Holmgren will retain Mangini, who had an eventful first season as Cleveland's coach.
The Browns started 1-11 but won their final four games, a surge that may save Mangini's job. The winning streak is Cleveland's longest since 1994 under then-coach Bill Belichick and it may have shown Holmgren that Mangini has the Browns pointed in the right direction.
Holmgren is the only member of Cleveland's front office deciding Mangini's fate. Lerner hired Holmgren, who led the Green Bay Packers to a Super Bowl title, to preside over his team without interference. Holmgren said recently that it would only take him "a little while" to determine if Mangini will be back for a second year. He promised not to be swayed by winning streaks -- or losing skids.
"Any decisions I make regarding the coaching staff, or anybody there, will not be based on three games or two games or one game," Holmgren said. "I think it's the total body of work. I've got to see progress."
Mangini said on Monday that he had no gut feeling about his future, but that he was proud of his accomplishments since taking over the Browns, who finished 5-11, one game better than their 4-12 mark in Romeo Crennel's final season as coach. Mangini described what he inherited in Cleveland as "a mess."
From the start, Mangini attempted to instill discipline into the Browns but some of Cleveland's players rebelled against his coaching methods, complaining about the length of practices and amount of contact. A few Browns filed grievances with the players' association against Mangini. He famously fined one player $1,701 for not paying for a $3 bottle of water during a hotel stay.
On Nov. 2, the Browns fired general manager George Kokinis, who had been hand-picked by Mangini. Kokinis recently filed for arbitration against the team, saying it did not allow him to fulfill the duties outlined in his contract. He's seeking more than $4 million in compensation and damages.
The off-the-field issues served as a backdrop during Cleveland's horrendous start, but the team regrouped down the stretch and played inspired football. The Browns began their season-ending flourish with a nationally televised win over Pittsburgh, snapping a 12-game losing streak against their rival. Behind a rugged running game, they followed with wins over Oakland and Kansas City and concluded Mangini's first season with a snowy 23-17 win over Jacksonville.
In the closing seconds, Browns players dumped Gatorade over Mangini's head, perhaps the most surprising moment of any during his 12 months on the job.
ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen and The Associated Press contributed to this report
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Wait, so he didn't meet with Mangini today but will tomorrow?
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They will interview/meet tonight is what I read.
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They will interview/meet tonight is what I read.
Sounds like it might be a short one............
Wouldn't he meet Mangini at like 9AM bright and early to discuss their situation if he was really planning on keeping him?
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Wait, so he didn't meet with Mangini today but will tomorrow?
Depends on who you believe,, Grossi is saying they met at 1pm this afternoon,, this article is saying they won't meet until tomorrow.. take your pick 
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League sources tell ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen that Holmgren will meet with Mangini on Wednesday.
It can't be any clearer than this. Unless of course the "league sources" are wrong. 
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Sources told ESPN that after a brief meeting on Tuesday, Mangini and new team president Mike Holmgren are scheduled to meet Tuesday night and Wednesday for further discussions regarding the head coach's future.
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FYI That article was written 1 year ago 
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It can't be any clearer than this. Unless of course the "league sources" are wrong.
LOL,, true, but then you have this article by Grossi...
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Cleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren meeting now with coach Eric Mangini
By Tony Grossi
January 05, 2010, 10:11AM
Rod Mar, Seattle TimesNew Browns president Mike Holmgren will meet with the media this afternoon.UPDATED: 1 p.m.
BEREA, Ohio -- Mike Holmgren and Eric Mangini are in a meeting right now at the Browns facility to discuss Mangini's future as head coach.
Holmgren, named the team's president last month, arrived in town last night and has been at the Browns facility all day today. The team announced earlier this morning that Holmgren would meet with the media at 4 p.m.
According to a club source, no major announcements were planned for today's media briefing, including the status of Mangini, although that could change later in the day.
The team's one-sentence news release made no mention of Mangini attending the media availability.
All of the Browns assistant coaches were also in the building today, meeting with Mangini, possibly to discuss their status and future.
RecommendRecommend (1)Print this Email this Share this:Previous story: The QB for 2010? Mangini says that decision awaits Holmgren's 'insight': Browns Insider
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/01/new_cleveland_browns_team_pres.html
My guess is that both are accurate..,, It could be that Mangini and Holmgren met at 1pm and now have scheduled to meet tonight or tomorrow again...
If that's the case, I'd say we will NOT hear of his fate today at 4.... just a guess
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Man this thing is getting dragged out like the final weigh-in of "The Biggest Loser."
Tune in tomorrow for the stunning conclusion.
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I agree. Even if they did meet today all the reports are saying they will at be meeting in the future at some point. So if they are meeting in the future that means Mangini probably hasn't been fired...yet.
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Seems like ClevelandBrowns.com is pretty backed up right now.
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Here's the live link. It's moving pretty slow right now. Probably a lot of traffic.
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I have a feeling that Holmgren won't be talking about Mangini's future in this conference..later in the week is when he'll tip his hand probably.
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Being at work, I know I'd appreciate if someone can give us a rundown of what's going on.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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says that holmgren will meet with gini again tomorrow
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Being at work, I know I'd appreciate if someone can give us a rundown of what's going on.
He said we should know about changes by the end of the week.
Whatever that means.......
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I agree. Even if they did meet today all the reports are saying they will at be meeting in the future at some point. So if they are meeting in the future that means Mangini probably hasn't been fired...yet.
When I first heard of the press conference, it was reported that no major announcement would be made.
Also, it's possible Mangini's future w/ the Browns won't be determined until Homgren hires and gets input from the new G.M.
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Browns site isn't loading for me, clicked the link provided earlier and got a 404. Guess I'll have to wait for the transcript.
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