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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/05/browns-could-be-targeting-john-fox/Browns could be targeting John Fox Posted by Mike Florio on January 5, 2010 6:11 PM ET So if Browns president Mike Holmgren chooses not to keep coach Eric Mangini, an unlikely name could top the list to become the next head coach of the team. John Fox. Per Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, there is "increasing speculation" that Fox could jump from the Panthers to the Browns. Making the speculation surprising is that Holmgren has never worked with Fox. But they share an agent -- Bob LaMonte -- and LaMonte could be once again trying to play NFL matchmaker, while at the same time getting Fox out of the final year of his contract in Carolina. But if that's the end game, the Browns should tread lightly. The last time a LaMonte client with a season left on his contract changed teams, the team that got LaMonte's client gave up two first-round picks, two second-round picks, and $8 million. I know he currently coaching the Panthers, but this thought is picking up steam for whatever reason. They were just talking about it on Total Access that they are also hearing this possibility. This would then clear the way for the Chin to coach in Carolina where he wants to be and I believe they want him also. Both Holmgren and Fox have the same agent so I'm sure there is some behind the scenes conversations going on.
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PLEASE!!!!!!  Highly doubt it's true. But, I would LOVE the move if it were.
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The last time a LaMonte client with a season left on his contract changed teams, the team that got LaMonte's client gave up two first-round picks, two second-round picks, and $8 million.
If i remember correctly, teams can no longer get compensation by "trading" coaches. They can either release them or keep them.
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I'd hate this move.
Panthers are always hot and cold and have never been truly dominant. Even in 2003 they weren't.
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Florio is a gossip monger, I have trouble believing anything he says. With guys like Mariucci and Mornigweig out there, why would he hire a guy he doesn't know very well? This is just a case of a bad journalist trying to make a story.
IMO the NFL network is as bad as PFT. They seem to act as if they know something, but are usually just repeating some rumor they heard.
Also Grossi IMO has no clue. He comes off to me as a guy who thinks he knows it all.........remember him being sure Cowher was coming here last year?
I could see Gruden coming back before I would see Fox being hired.
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Florio is trying to fill space on his page when he should be centered on filling the space between his ears.
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PLEASE!!!!!!
Highly doubt it's true. But, I would LOVE the move if it were.
Ditto.
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Florio is trying to fill space on his page when he should be centered on filling the space between his ears.
He's reporting what Grossi wrote and telling the Browns to tread lightly...take it eazy
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I love how people in the media concoct ideas and put them out there in hopes it grows legs.
I don't think this story has any merit at all.
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Mort is saying not to put much stock into the rumor about Fox to Cleveland.
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I think that if Fox can't get an extension, he will be a lame duck coach next year, then he will try and get out of the final year of his contract.
It might be a win-win situation. Fox gets out of his contract and gets the long-term security he wants. The Panthers have an opening for Bill Cowher without having to fire John Fox and pay for the final year of his contract while he's coaching for someone else.
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i like john fox but i'd rather we let mangini go another year
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...how many weak associations are they gonna throw at us until the coaching spot in Cleveland is nailed down?
Cowher.
Mornihnweg.
Gruden.
(who else did I miss?)
and now Fox.
They'd have just as much credibility if they said that Holmgren was going to exhume the body of Paul Brown, reanimate him in an April thunderstorm, and have him coach us to vicory in '10.
Brown ---> Walsh ---> Holmgren. See how easy it is?
-I wonder if Kevin Bacon is available as OC?
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That's funny!
I do think the Fox story is getting legs. I listened to them discuss it on NFL Network today.
From the Carolina side, I don't think they would have a problem with it because they really want Cowher and Cowher seems to want to be there.
Fox coached in a SB. Great. He's had stud RB's the past few years and several great defensive players. They haven't won anything.
I'm just going to put my trust in MH. If he hires Elmur Fudd, I will go with it.
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I put nothing into this story.
Fox could be a candidate because he has the same agent as Holmgren?
Since when are the agents hiring and making personnel decisions?
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i like john fox but i'd rather we let mangini go another year
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Florio seems OBESSED with LaMonte and the idea that his clients are working together to HELP him by getting jobs for his other clients?
Newsflash, just because a person is represented by your Agent is not going to make them hire his clients. Where the heck does he get this line of thinking?
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Forget Belickek and Walsh, there is now a new coaching tree - LaMonte.
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Ugh... this smells like another Tony Grossi "It's-time-to-create-some-buzz-around-my-"by-line"-so-the-national-media-will-give-me-some-love" special.  Has Grossi ever been right about ANYTHING he was first to report?? Perhaps, but I can't think of one at the moment. I do like Fox as a coach, but he doesn't seem like the kind of HC Holmgren would look at. Defense-minded. Run-first (pick your spots to pass). Might as well keep Mangini (who's philosophy seems to be much the same as Fox's).
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I know some people like Fox's hard-nosed mentality and the fact that the Panthers are good every other year (something we'd all love).
But something strikes me as a tad "off" about him. Like he's a good head coach, but not a great one.
Maybe part of that is the fact that Delhomme for many years was a good, but not great QB.
I don't like how his teams are never consistent, they're good one year then mediocre the next (granted, never downright awful).
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I thought the Panthers already came out 2 weeks ago and said that Fox was their guy for next season?
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The entire article says 'I'm conflating correlation with causation, adding 'increasing speculation' as an air of authenticity, then formatting it into a misinformation news article.'
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Yes, that has been the rap on the Panthers for a long time.. they are inconsistent.. they are better than us, but they are painfully incosistent. From game to game and from season to season.. they are all over the map. I would have to think a lot of that falls on Fox. And I honestly think a lot of people are getting caught up in that "well it's better than what we have now" mentality.... Almost anybody represents something better than we've experienced for the last 10 years... but then I'm sure MH knows that and isn't trying to make us "better", he's trying to make us great. 
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I thought the Panthers already came out 2 weeks ago and said that Fox was their guy for next season?
That's what I thought, too. This story is a wash.
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Seems to me that maybe Fox is that kind of coach who will always get the team to a certain level, but never to that *next* level.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Not sure I agree as he took a team to a SB with Jake Delhomme as his QB. The biggest strike I see against him was his loyalty to him and taking forever to bench him in favor of Moore.Also give the guy a break, he had to trade for Leonard to be his starting DT becuase of all the injuries. The Panthers were plauged with injuries all over their defense and offensive lines this season.
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Seems to me that maybe Fox is that kind of coach who will always get the team to a certain level, but never to that *next* level.
He got the Panthers to the SB in 2003 and the NFC Championship game in 2005. 
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...how many weak associations are they gonna throw at us until the coaching spot in Cleveland is nailed down?
Cowher.
Mornihnweg.
Gruden.
(who else did I miss?)
and now Fox.
They'd have just as much credibility if they said that Holmgren was going to exhume the body of Paul Brown, reanimate him in an April thunderstorm, and have him coach us to vicory in '10.
Brown ---> Walsh ---> Holmgren. See how easy it is?
-I wonder if Kevin Bacon is available as OC?
I'm going to pick up the Zombie Paul Brown story and run with it. Problem is, Brown wasn't exactly loved by his players all the time. I don't know if they'd buy into a Zombie Paul Brown process.
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Well, maybe that *next* level is consistency year in and year out. He got to the SB, he got to the NFC championship game, and then what happened the next year?
I'm not saying he's that kind of coach, but I'm just throwing it out there.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Seems to me that maybe Fox is that kind of coach who will always get the team to a certain level, but never to that *next* level.
How about "getting to that certain level" 1st? Our HC situation is comparable to our QB situation....we are bad at both spots and a Fox or a Campbell would be a huge upgrade although they aren't SB winning guys...
newsflash....no SB talent will come here via FA...same with Coaches...we either get newbies (Butch, Romeo) or failed rejects (Mangini)....a successful reject, Fox, would be an upgrade...and probably as good as we could land in our situation
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If this happens, it's complete BS. It would only serve to prove that Holmgren's platitude about keeping egos in check is just a bunch of pig poop spewing from his jowls.
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If this happens, it's complete BS. It would only serve to prove that Holmgren's platitude about keeping egos in check is just a bunch of pig poop spewing from his jowls.
Oh give me a break.
If, IF Mangini is fired, despite beating Pittsburgh and and the 4 game win streak, it's because the guy made the Browns into a dysfunctional franchise once again. Remember all those stories about the organization being fragmented into little power groups?
Why is it such a bad thing that Holmgren would get a guy that would, in his opinion, be no trouble at all in that department? Why is it such a bad thing that Holmgren wants this organization to become what he wants it to become rather than not blowing it up just because the fans don't want it?
Either way, the whole "Holmgren is going to blow it up again" thing is so blown out of proportion. Holmgren did not come here to maintain stability and be a traffic cop, he came here to execute his vision and if Mangini is a casualty of that vision, then so be it...but to already call him a liar and "pig poop spewing from his jowls" is childish and stupid.
Of course, though, this is all JMHO.
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Or I could see this... Gene Hackman as HC with Keanu Reeves at QB.
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Well, maybe that *next* level is consistency year in and year out. He got to the SB, he got to the NFC championship game, and then what happened the next year?
I'm not saying he's that kind of coach, but I'm just throwing it out there.
They got killed by injuries early starting 1-7, but finished up 6-2 for a 7-9 season.
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newsflash....no SB talent will come here via FA...same with Coaches...we either get newbies (Butch, Romeo) or failed rejects (Mangini)....a successful reject, Fox, would be an upgrade...and probably as good as we could land in our situation
I don't know if you noticed this or not but MIKE HOLMGREN just walked in the door. I would say that is SB caliber. Why do you keep saying such stupid crap. The fact he is here blows up your whole theory.
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Oh give me a break. Take all the breaks you need.  If, IF Mangini is fired, despite beating Pittsburgh and and the 4 game win streak, it's because the guy made the Browns into a dysfunctional franchise once again. Unfounded. Remember all those stories about the organization being fragmented into little power groups? No. And if there were they were unsubstantiated. Why is it such a bad thing that Holmgren would get a guy that would, in his opinion, be no trouble at all in that department? I'm not saying it would be, I'm saying Mangini has earned his shot, IMO. And what guarantees would be put in place that the next guy would be successful, and "no trouble at all"? Why is it such a bad thing that Holmgren wants this organization to become what he wants it to become rather than not blowing it up just because the fans don't want it? It's not about the fans, and if you listen to both Mangini and Holmgren, they are saying virtually the same things. They both want the same things for the franchise. If winning is the only criteria, then there is no reason to replace mangini. If it's about building the team around Holmgren's boys, then it's about Holmgren's ego. And that would torque me off. Sorry, just the way I feel. Either way, the whole "Holmgren is going to blow it up again" thing is so blown out of proportion. Holmgren did not come here to maintain stability and be a traffic cop, he came here to execute his vision and if Mangini is a casualty of that vision, then so be it...but to already call him a liar and "pig poop spewing from his jowls" is childish and stupid. I didn't call him a liar, I said he's spewing crap and speaking in platitudes if certain things come to pass for certain reasons. Call it childish, call it stupid, call it whatever you want, I don't give a rat's ass. I'm just calling it as I see it. Of course, though, this is all JMHO. Ditto.
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They better not give up any draft picks to bring in any coach when we already have a good coach. Talk about turning a franchise backwards again. 
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"But they share an agent -- Bob LaMonte"
Lombardi also pointed this out as a logical reason
Man the bozo's at their best 
OK let me get this straight...we hired Holmgren at a pretty penny give him the keys to the Browns. AND he is a SIMPLETON that is going to turn to his FREAKIN AGENT for direction and advice on how to build the team.
Btw...I'm just curious Is Lamont the agent of Heckart our leading candidate for GM?
So it has nothing to do with NFL beliefs, goals, character, leadership...it has to do with who LAMONT deems as our next HC???
This has to be the most STUPID reasoning imaginable...I lost all respect for Lombardi and now I can add Grossi to the Stupid Bozo trick club. 
Unbelievable just unbelievable
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Great, now rumor mill central is writing speculation articles that use Grossi as the source?
Is there no bottom?
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