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Makes plenty of sense. Pioli as GM.. CHECK Crennel as D-Coordinator.. CHECK Weis as O-Coordinator.. CHECK The KC Chiefs are now the Patriots of the Mid-West. Link: SI Quote:
Source says Weis could be Chiefs next offensive coordinator
Amid speculation that former Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis could be headed to Chicago to replace fired offensive coordinator Ron Turner, a league source said that Weis actually might be bound for Kansas City.
Weis has spoken with the Chiefs multiple times since being fired Nov. 30 after losing four in a row to finish 6-6 in 2009 and 35-27 over five seasons. He has relationships with a number of people in the organization, including general manager Scott Pioli, whom he worked with in New England, and head coach Todd Haley, with whom he shared office space as assistants with the Jets.
"I would expect a decision in the next couple of days," the source said.
At a news conference Monday to announce the firing of the offensive staff, Bears general manager Jerry Angelo declined to identify the candidates to replace Turner. The Bears made a blockbuster trade for QB Jay Cutler in the offseason, but the team still wound up 23rd in total offense. Cutler threw for a career-high 27 touchdowns, but also led the league with 26 interceptions and had a career-low 76.8 passer rating.
Angelo admitted that the replacement for Turner could be "the biggest decision" the organization has made since he arrived in 2001. The Bears have to find someone who can get the most out of Cutler, a fourth-year pro who received $20 million in guarantees as part of the two-year extension he signed in 2009. Weis is an established playcaller who helped the Patriots win three Super Bowls in four seasons before leaving for Notre Dame in 2005.
Still, it's debatable whether Chicago is a better fit. In Kansas City, Weis would be surrounded by former co-workers -- possibly including Romeo Crennel, if he accepts an offer to join the defensive staff -- and would have a quarterback, Matt Cassel, who was brought up in the Patriots system before being traded to Kansas City last year. Some personnel people also contend that the Chiefs have better young talent than the Bears, who lack a proven No. 1 receiver and a physical ball-carrier for the cold of November and December, and have age issues along the line.
"Chicago has location, because my understanding is that Charlie wants to keep his home in South Bend (Ind.)," the source said. "But the Chiefs have everything else."
Haley, who did the playcalling after firing coordinator Chan Gailey before the season opener, has said previously that he wants to hire someone to handle the playcalling so he can focus on coaching the entire team, and not just the offense. The foundation of Haley's system is said to be similar to what Weis uses, so the only major adjustment would be Weis picking up the new terminology.
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Not really.
Todd Haley is an offensive coach. Makes no sense to hire a guy who would be the "head coach of the offense" when you yourself can do that.
By that I mean Weis will want total control of the offense, which I don't think would work well with Haley.
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Makes plenty of sense.
Pioli as GM.. CHECK
Crennel as D-Coordinator.. CHECK
Weis as O-Coordinator.. CHECK
Matt Cassell as QB.. CHECK
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Except for the fact that they suck....
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Not any more,...they have ROMEO !!
(Wonder if the KC fans know his nickname is RAC,...as in, you're about to get racked,..)
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Neither Charlie Weis nor Romeo became successful HCs and now we will see if they can be successful as a stand alone ( without Belichick) OC and DC.
Along the same line, we might find out if Pioli can do his job without the help of Belichick, too. It really is hard to believe how much influence Belichick has over the Patriots franchise.
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I think as most "great" coaches do.. they find a QB that makes them seem great.
Belicheck - Brady
Dungy- Manning
Walsh - Montana/ Young
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Yep, Polio is this real genius guy that got away...lol 
Doesn't have a thought of his own does he?
RAC and Wies?
Says a lot for his choice of HC...won't even let him hire his own staff? Haley more of a Parcells guy - at least he brought Mo with him as the asst. HC 
I'm glad we didn't hire Pioli...it seemed like he was an up n comer but he is just a copycat without an original thought.
The only good thing he did was sign Jevon Belcher...
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Sources: Weis accepts job with By Chris Mortensen ESPN Archive KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Charlie Weis has agreed to become the offensive coordinator of the Kansas City Chiefs, according to team and league sources. Weis could be named to the position within the next 24 to 48 hours, the sources said. Weis will be reunited with head coach Todd Haley, with whom he shared an office when both were young assistants with the New York Jets. Weis also will be reunited with Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who was the Patriots vice president of player personnel when Weis was the offensive coordinator for three Super Bowl championships before going to coach at Notre Dame. The Bears had also been in the mix to hire Weis as offensive coordinator but the Chiefs won out. Haley ran the offense in his first year with the Chiefs after dismissing offensive coordinator Chan Gailey. Haley had expressed a desire to find a coordinator so he could better manage his head coaching responsibilities. Weis was dismissed last fall with a 35-27 record in five seasons at Notre Dame. "Charlie's a guy I have a great amount of respect for as a coach," Haley said Wednesday at his final news conference of the season. "He's a coach that system-wise, I would say we're as close as you can be. Charlie's a guy I consider a friend and I've talked to throughout the year, no different from some of the other guys I lean on for things and advice." Haley has begun a staff evaluation and said he has already released offensive line coach Joe D'Allessandris and defensive line coach Tim Krumrie. Many fans also hope defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast will be replaced, possibly by former Cleveland coach Romeo Crennel. Haley was noncommittal about Crennel and Pendergast. "No conversations in that order to this point," he said. The emergence of running back Jamaal Charles, voted the team's MVP, gives the offense something to build on next year. "I really believe we were able to lay a foundation for the Kansas City Chiefs," Haley said. "We were able to set expectations for our players of what's expected of them both schematically and offseason, in season and practice -- the way we're going to do things as a team on a consistent basis. I believe that foundation was laid. "It was a very difficult year, a year we were able to make progress, as evidenced by the way the season wound down." The Chiefs are expected to be busy in the offseason trying to fill gaping needs, including defensive back, wide receiver, linebacker, defensive line and tight end. They pick fifth in April's draft. The could have picked third, but instead ended Haley's rookie year on a rousing high by beating Denver 44-24 in the season finale. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4802526
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Makes plenty of sense.
Pioli as GM.. CHECK
Crennel as D-Coordinator.. CHECK
Weis as O-Coordinator.. CHECK
Matt Cassell as QB.. CHECK
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Except for the fact that they suck....
Cassell???...At QB???...This for YOU "KC FAN"...Remember???
MARK THIS...Cassell will NOT be the QB in KC in 2 years...Just as I said last year when Pioli (LMAO) signed em...
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Weis AND Crennel? On the same team?
Jeezus..............I hope the caterers for the Chiefs don't charge by the freakin' pound!
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Weis AND Crennel? On the same team?
Jeezus..............I hope the caterers for the Chiefs don't charge by the freakin' pound!
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Wonder how Haley feels with Pioli bringing in two very recent Head Coaches to be his top assistants? He may want to keep the resume updated.
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Yep, Polio is this real genius guy that got away...lol
Doesn't have a thought of his own does he?
RAC and Wies?
Says a lot for his choice of HC...won't even let him hire his own staff? Haley more of a Parcells guy - at least he brought Mo with him as the asst. HC
I'm glad we didn't hire Pioli...it seemed like he was an up n comer but he is just a copycat without an original thought.
The only good thing he did was sign Jevon Belcher...
According to this http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/1/7/1238208/chiefs-coach-haley-pushed-the-weis Haley wanted Weiss.
Also, the Chiefs were on a downward spiral for almost a decade. Yes they had some good seasons during that time, but decisions made by the previous GM left each season in a worse shape then the season prior. Eventually the Chiefs hits rock bottom in 2008 at 2-14, a franchise worse record. I think it will take more then one offseason to fix that mess. But in the world of rash judgements known as the fans of the NFL, unless it is a quick fix someone must be doing a bad job.
You may be right, Pioli could have been the wrong choice for the /chiefs, and the Browns could have made the right decision in not hiring him. BUT I think it is a bit too early to be making such judgements.
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Watch Mangini get fired here ... and wind up as a coach at KC too.
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I don't understand why everyone is bashing Pioli. The situation he came into requires a lot of work and isn't an overnight fix. Outside of Matt Cassell being inked to be the franchise QB for years to come (which still may pan out if the supporting cast is revamped on that side of the line, particularly in the trenches) I like the moves he's making and direction they have.
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Wow, this an original Coaching staff. I bet it fails miserably. I would love to play KC twice a year with Romeos Defense.
This might be our best opportunity to get better then average value for Quinn though..Weiss would love to have Quinn as his 2...He can actually go in there and say he wants him, because Pioli is a Tool.
Maybe Crennel can persuade them to take Anderson...I would take Cassel right now, just to start fresh.
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Wow, this an original Coaching staff. I bet it fails miserably. I would love to play KC twice a year with Romeos Defense.
Really,, Romeo was the DC on three superbowl winning teams... If he gets good players, his D will be tough... always was, even the D he ran here in 2000 wasn't bad for having a real lack of talent....
Be careful what you wish for, you may get it..
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Just don't think much of him in terms of a coach..He has had the right players and people around him in New York as a special teams coach and D-line coach and as Coordinator in New England...but his Defenses have no teeth and I have seen his coaching style, including his consistently bad decision making and the slowest to ever make any adjustments..This tells me enough about the guy to know he has been in the right place at the right time. Great Guy though. If I were playing him, I would come out in the no Huddle like Cincinatti did every year and every year it was like a huge surprise to him...I am sure he has some idea of what he is doing..but he has proven nothing outside of that tree. He will not have Belichek there. I will believe he is a good defensive Coordinator when he does it away from Belichek. He had four years to get the Personell and create a Decent D here or help his coordinators the way Belichek did and they were bad Defenses every year..Wasn't he coordinator here when we were getting torn up by Jamal Lewis...Didn't Harrison kill KC this year? JMHO
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WOW,, couldn't agree with you less...LOL I guess we are destined to disagree on RAC.... 
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Just don't think much of him in terms of a coach..He has had the right players and people around him in New York as a special teams coach and D-line coach and as Coordinator in New England...but his Defenses have no teeth and I have seen his coaching style, including his consistently bad decision making and the slowest to ever make any adjustments..This tells me enough about the guy to know he has been in the right place at the right time. Great Guy though. If I were playing him, I would come out in the no Huddle like Cincinatti did every year and every year it was like a huge surprise to him...I am sure he has some idea of what he is doing..but he has proven nothing outside of that tree. He will not have Belichek there. I will believe he is a good defensive Coordinator when he does it away from Belichek. He had four years to get the Personell and create a Decent D here or help his coordinators the way Belichek did and they were bad Defenses every year..Wasn't he coordinator here when we were getting torn up by Jamal Lewis...Didn't Harrison kill KC this year? JMHO
There is a big difference between someone being a head coach and someone being a coordinator or position coach. NFL history indicates that a great OC or DC doesn't mean they will be a good HC, and vise versa just because a guy was a failure as a HC doesn't mean he will be a failure as OC or DC. That isn't just a matter of opinion, that is just proven fact. This has nothing to do with my personal feelings on Romeo. I would use this argument for many coaches or coordinators throughout the NFL. The responsibilities of a Head Coach are very different then that of being a coordinator.
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How u feelin' bout Cassel now???
Told u last year...DUMB ASS move by Pioli...
Keep watchin'...
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Told u last year...DUMB ASS move by Pioli...
Keep watchin'...
I've been thinking the same thing. I'm glad we didn't end up with Pioli, it's seems to me he just ran on Belichick's hoody (read coat tails) all this time and the guy really isn't all that.
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Belichick doesn't like much of a genius without Pioli around either.
Maybe it was a Belichick/Pioli combo that made things run so well. Maybe one guy can't run things all by himself.
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How u feelin' bout Cassel now???
Told u last year...DUMB ASS move by Pioli...
Keep watchin'...
I'm fine with Cassel. Yes he had a bad season, but lets take a look at what he dealt with this season.
A very bad offensive line that was told to lose weight and to "perfect" their technique. No longer relying on their weigh to get the job done. Branden Albert regressed due to this but did show vast improvement by years end. Brian Waters struggled and was beat often, but did make some plays being the veteran that he is. Rudy, the center, was horrible as usual and was getting beat around 40% of his snaps. right guard and right tackle were juggled for the first half of the season. That alone presented problems for a QB. ANY QB. Then lets add into the mix that the Chiefs learned one offense during OTAs, then training camp, first 3 games of preseason, then Chan Gailey was fired and the offense was switched. The entire offense had to learn a new offense just a matter of a week or so before the regular season started. Pretty tough spot to be in. THEN the Chiefs juggled the receiver position throughout preseason and training camp at all receiver spots, including Bowe. Bowe seen more time with back up QBs then he did with Cassel during this time. No chemistry was built. Then the Chiefs tried receiver after receiver during the season before they finally landed Chambers in week 8 of the regular season. Bowe was suspended from weeks 9 to 12. The Chiefs led the league in dropped passes by receivers almost setting a NFL record. And you want me to question Cassel's abilities? The Chiefs were not a good team. They were bad on offense for many reasons. But guess what, over the last 4 weeks of the season, the Chiefs had the best offense over that span averaging 416 yards per game (or something like that as I'm trying to go off of memory), Although Charles did have a helping hand in those numbers. The Chiefs improved from week one to week 17. That is what was expected from a previously 2-14 team. You knock Pioli for bringing in Cassel, but what exactly do the Browns have going for them at QB? Not trying to get in a pissing match with you, but don't throw stone in a glass house.
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Belichick doesn't like much of a genius without Pioli around either.
Maybe it was a Belichick/Pioli combo that made things run so well. Maybe one guy can't run things all by himself.
This right here is what I've been debating with Chiefs fans for months. It seems Chiefs fan are not the only ones tht cannot grasp the idea that building a dynasty is truely a team effort. I think the Browns are headed in the right direction with the men they hired thus far. And they will work together as a team to field the best team they can on Sundays. Just going to take a little time for the details and relationships to sort out.
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I think basically what he was saying was that it might be better to not have a QB than to be stuck with a possibly over-rated QB making big $$$ locked into a long-term deal.
that was my stance on Pioli in KC getting Cassel last year. I have to admit...with the Weis hire, I like Cassel a lot better. The one thing that Weis has proven is that he knows how to build an offense and how to mask deficiencies in OL play (though one would hope they improve there). Weis will certainly get the most out of Cassel.
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If the Chiefs can't get good with Romeo and Charlie as Coords, something is wrong.
They will be fine and there are several high picks on that team that will produce in a good system.
It's very unfair to evaluate that team on one year. What Belichek developed there took quite some time and it was his longevity in winning that gives him that respect. You can't place 10 years of winning football into 1 season.
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If the Chiefs can't get good with Romeo and Charlie as Coords, something is wrong.
They will be fine and there are several high picks on that team that will produce in a good system.
It's very unfair to evaluate that team on one year. What Belichek developed there took quite some time and it was his longevity in winning that gives him that respect. You can't place 10 years of winning football into 1 season.
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