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For everyone that wants to trade Cribbs for picks here's a reminder of what we did with our last 80+ picks:

Rd Sel # Player Position School
4 104 Beau Bell LB Nevada-Las Vegas
4 111 Martin Rucker TE Missouri
6 190 Ahtyba Rubin DT Iowa State
6 191 Paul Hubbard WR Wisconsin
7 231 Alex Hall LB St. Augustine's
2007 - Cleveland Browns
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 3 Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
1 22 Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
2 53 Eric Wright CB Nevada-Las Vegas
5 140 Brandon McDonald DB Memphis
6 200 Melila Purcell DE Hawaii
7 213 Chase Pittman DE Louisiana State
7 234 Syndric Steptoe WR Arizona
2006 - Cleveland Browns
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 13 Kamerion Wimbley OLB Florida State
2 34 D'Qwell Jackson ILB Maryland
3 78 Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma
4 110 Leon Williams LB Miami (Fla.)
4 112 Isaac Sowells G Indiana
5 145 Jerome Harrison RB Washington State
5 152 DeMario Minter CB Georgia
6 180 Lawrence Vickers FB Colorado
6 181 Baba Oshinowo DT Stanford
7 222 Justin Hamilton DB Virginia Tech
2005 - Cleveland Browns
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
2 34 Brodney Pool DB Oklahoma
3 67 Charlie Frye QB Akron
4 103 Antonio Perkins DB Oklahoma
5 139 David McMillan LB Kansas
6 176 Nick Speegle LB New Mexico
6 203 Andrew Hoffman DT Virginia
7 217 Jon Dunn T Virginia Tech
2004 - Cleveland Browns
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Kellen Winslow TE Miami (Fla.)
2 59 Sean Jones SAF Georgia
4 106 Luke McCown QB Louisiana Tech
5 161 Amon Gordon DE Stanford
6 176 Kirk Chambers T Stanford
7 208 Adimchinobe Echemandu RB California
2003 - Cleveland Browns
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
2 52 Chaun Thompson LB West Texas A&M
3 84 Chris Crocker DB Marshall
4 115 Lee Suggs RB Virginia Tech
5 142 Ryan Pontbriand C Rice
5 152 Michael Lehan DB Minnesota
6 195 Antonio Garay DE Boston College
2002 - Cleveland Browns
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 16 William Green RB Boston College
2 47 Andre Davis WR Virginia Tech
3 76 Melvin Fowler C Maryland
4 101 Kevin Bentley LB Northwestern
4 111 Ben Taylor LB Virginia Tech
4 122 Darnell Sanders TE Ohio State
5 141 Andra Davis LB Florida
7 227 Joaquin Gonzalez T Miami (Fla.)
2001 - Cleveland Browns
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 3 Gerard Warren DT Florida
2 33 Quincy Morgan WR Kansas State
3 65 James Jackson RB Miami (Fla.)
4 97 Anthony Henry DB South Florida
5 134 Jeremiah Pharms -- Washington
6 165 Michael Jameson CB Texas A&M
7 203 Paul Zukauskas G Boston College
7 245 Andre King WR Miami (Fla.)
2000 - Cleveland Browns
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 1 Courtney Brown DE Penn State
2 32 Dennis Northcutt WR Arizona
3 63 Travis Prentice RB Miami (Ohio)
3 79 JaJuan Dawson WR Tulane
4 95 Lewis Sanders DB Maryland
4 110 Aaron Shea TE Michigan
5 130 Anthony Malbrough DB Texas Tech
5 146 Lamar Chapman DB Kansas State
6 183 Spergon Wynn QB Texas State
6 206 Brad Bedell T Colorado
7 207 Manuia Savea -- Arizona
7 209 Eric Chandler -- Jackson State
7 225 Rashidi Barnes DB Colorado
1999 - Cleveland Browns
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 1 Tim Couch QB Kentucky
2 32 Kevin Johnson WR Syracuse
2 45 Rahim Abdullah OLB Clemson
3 62 Daylon McCutcheon CB USC
3 76 Marquis Smith DB California
4 124 Wali Rainer MLB Virginia
5 148 Darrin Chiaverini WR Colorado
6 174 Marcus Spriggs DT Troy State
6 187 Kendall Ogle LB Maryland
6 191 James Dearth TE Tarleton State
7 207 Madre Hill RB Arkansas

I know everyone poo-poos player for player trades because they're so uncommon, but would a talent like Cribbs warrant such a trade?

Just curious...

Why trade a proven special teams ace for a draft pick?

Trade him for Anquan Boldin or another proven player. - Just an example here.

Because he's just a special teams player.

Deja Vu???

Wasn't this almost the exact same scenario as last year? Threats from the Agent...disappointment from Cribbs. The fan base directly behind Cribbs...Give the Man the Money...then as the truth came out...not just what the AGENTS (the scum of the earth) fed the media. The fan base turned on Cribbs.

Well this is the same thing...New Head man calling the shots. Whatever Mangini promised was put on hold. Even if Mangini stays, he will give up that power.

Negotiations...usually this is how it works.
Party A. gives their proposal.
Party B gives their proposal.

One is agreed upon as the PROPOSAL to presume negotiations off of. Usually close enough just one having a more flexible variables so they go to that one to negotiate a contract from.

What has happened is we gave a basic starting proposal of a straight up 100% raise in salary for the remainder of the contract.

Theirs??? The Snake in the Grass only made public our offer not their Offer which I'll just guess is at a 2 year extention 11 mil guaranteed and totals 50 mil for the 5 years!

When this comes out and made publick...just like last year the FAN BASE will turn on Cribbs.

He has absolutely no leverage...3 years out of football - he'll be done!

The Andre Davis contract was actually a shock to me??? was that a one year offer cause that might be the only precedent but of course I'm guessing he got injured cause all I saw was #12 returning so that isn't a good example.

The funny thing...OTHER TEAMS advising that Cribbs could get 2-3 mil per year at the least...yeah like its in their best interest to state less??? Oh, and btw illegal.

Trade...force us to trade...I've said it before - Cribbs football is replaceable. What is not replaceable is his HEART n SOUL!! But if that is not here...then what good is he.

Cribbs has not leverage...I really am sorry his agents GREED at the time made him sign that 6 year contract!

At a starting point and reward...business wise with 3 years left not necessary. But still as a starting point we offered basically double his salary for the rest of the contract.

Also with the knowledge that possibly with 1 or 2 years left it is more apt to get an extention and new contract...See Dawson asking also for a redo.

I love Cribbs as a Brown...but once he goes into Business mode and is a mouthpiece for his Snakes in the Grass...that love does not apply. Threatening to leave the team doesn't make me go OH NO WE CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT HIM!!!

It makes me just go you've been listening to that jerk Dieon too much as well as the agents. Threatening to cut off your nose to spite your face. Then so be it. Its the Heart n Soul that we have grown to love...if you take that away...guess what just like last year we are going stop loving you and you will lose that fan support.

Hope we hold out for a 1st rounder and nothing less. Then I say Trade him... Teams are learning to Ice him with directional kicking - yes we will have decent position. But it will only get harder n harder...less n less teams dumb enough to kick down the middle to him. The Wildcat? How long will that last? Defenses always catch up to Offensive fads. Always. He still hasn't established himself as a WR nor a RB.

New offense is inevitable even with Mangini staying. Cribbs will have to be reestablished into the new Offense...somewhere? He can't win a position outright but they will create a section in the playbook for him. What is that NEW ROLE.

He at least double the salary is there. I don't see a public offer from their side like they told the Browns side.

Cribbs will come n go and 4 years from now...what will it matter. The Browns will be here.

Is there ANY ONE saying he doesn't deserve a Bonus, reward, raise.

100% offered...where is their counter offer...doubt it cause they want us to counter off of their proposal which conveniently they know we will not bring that public cause we are not the Snakes in the Grass that AGENTS are.

Gee they really restrained themselves saying they had no choice but to go public.

Love Cribbs but he isn't as important as us hiring the right GM and finalizing the HC position as priorities # 1 n #2...sorry Cribbs you are nowhere close. And its not how important you were to a team that didn't have much....But how important you will be to a team that grows into the HAVES!!!

JMHO

well said !

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I think too many fans are getting hung up on the dollars and not paying enough attention to the situation.

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Precisely.

Josh Cribbs as being the best player on the Browns is equivalent to being the best hockey player in Peru. His TRUE value is as a kick returner and gimmick trick play option.

Can he be a full time WR? No
Can he be a full time RB? No
QB? HEEEEEEELLLLLLL NO!

As Holmgren begins to build this team into a legitimate football team, Cribbs role will be extremely reduced. Good for the Browns, bad for him. The only way he could be more than what he does is if the team continues on a more Wildcat offense base, like the Finns. Yea, not gonna happen.

So from his stand point that means a trade. Ok, and what team could use his limited skills at the price he is wanting? ( cue the crickets chirping) The best hockey player in Peru rides the bench for any other team other than to return and defend kick offs.

His best value IS with the Browns, and his agents are negotiating at really the wrong time.

Pretty sure his agents said $2.5 a year would be a great starting point for them. It's been in every article I've read...

And its hardly cutting off your nose to spit your face if the end result gets you a deal with a team that pays you what you're asking for.

Fact is, you won't find a player, coach or executive out there who can say with a straight face that Josh hasn't grossly outplayed the horrible deal his former agent brokered for him. Also, consider the ramifications of refusing to negotiate now (and I consider Dawn Aponte's statement that the offer will not budge from $1.4 a year per Mike Holmgren's order to be a refusal to negotiate) the bad blood that will be created when it comes time to negotiate extensions for Joe Thomas and Eric Wright, who are also represented by Cribbs' agents.

Although I am not for overpaying Cribbs or paying him like Hester, $1.4 million is too low for a player of his calibre. He is our team's x factor...one of the few players we have that other teams have to account for in their game planning.

He's done all the right things and has been patient with the organization. I don;t blame him for being upset. At least make the man a fair offer.

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For everyone that wants to trade Cribbs for picks here's a reminder of what we did with our last 80+ picks:

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Well in 1978 we drafted Ozzie Newsome and Clay Matthews. That has as much validity as our last 80 + picks since the people making our next picks haven't made any for this organization before.

"Pretty sure his agents said $2.5 a year would be a great starting point for them. It's been in every article I've read."

And why you shouldn't believe everything that you read from the BOZO'S!!!

here is what the AGENTS HAVE SAID...not the Bozo's interpretation of what they said... "He said other teams told him the starting point for the Browns would probably be $2.8 million to $3.2 million."

Not the AGENTS starting point but what they perceived and expected the Browns Starting point would be from get this...What other teams have told him to expect. Gee now why would a team state something that just wouldn't happen and cause a rift between player n team forcing maybe a trade... nah no team would do that. Heck even the Angelic Don Shula spread a rumor about Marino to get him.

Don't read what BOZO's say was said...read what was said!

JMHWay I try to go about it - you don't have to.

For some reason, when ever I look at this thread I just imagine Cribbs seeing the contract offer sheet then looking up and saying, "Now I'm Done!"

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For everyone that wants to trade Cribbs for picks here's a reminder of what we did with our last 80+ picks:

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Whats your point... I mean, we have all different people in place, or probably will have by the time the draft is here..

I'm pretty sure we aren't going to call Clark, Savage, Kokinis, Davis or if he's gone, Mangini for advice so I'm not sure what you are saying..

So tell me how I'm supposed to interpret this direct quote from one of his agents: "If they had offered even something like $2.5 million per season, we could have worked with them..."

Am I reading too much into this? To me it sounds as if his agent is saying that if they had offered a deal worth $2.5 million a year they would be more than happy to use that as a point to start negotiating.

Just the way I see it.

"Cribbs seeing the contract offer sheet then looking up and saying, "Now I'm Done!"

Its the end of the year...lol worst time to ask a player if "HE IS DONE" go ask Brett Favre?

When May rolls around what does he say then? That is the important part.

JMHO...wait till bills have to be paid and he ain't going to get any checks cause he isn't showing up looking for a trade! That ceiling of 2.something maybe if they negotiate will look better n better.

That's the way I read it.

I have another Branch Rickey quote that fits well with your last paragraph:
Branch Rickey to Ralph Kiner when Kiner asked for a raise: "we could have finished last without you"

and guess what, Ralph Kiner did not get his raise.

"To me it sounds as if his agent is saying that if they had offered a deal worth $2.5 million a year they would be more than happy to use that as a point to start negotiating."

I quoted exactly what they said...not 2.5 first off but 2.8 - 3.2

As far as they were happy or not...what was obvious was they were DISAPPOINTED cause it was half of what they were EXPECTING our first offer to be at.

But no where remotely does that IMPLY that it was THEIR FIRST OFFER!!!

Only what they were ANTICIPATED ours to be.

Just like I anticipate to win several MILLION when I buy a LOTTO Ticket

Just clicking

JR Rickert, one of Joshs agents, is going to be on All Bets Are Off with Bruce Drennen this afternoon...

Just thought I'd let you all know..

If I catch it, I'll try to give some play by play,,, not sure I'll be here however

Because strictly offense and defense get well over 3/4 of the snaps.

With Mangini and his staff remaining,,, and Mangini having committed to an increase to cribbs,, do you think that the next step is to finalize a deal with Cribbs....

My point exactly. We could easily get a first from Al. He drafted Janikowski 17th overall if my memory serves. And Cribbs IS fast...

Hell, we might get two firsts.

Been saying this for weeks and was serious about it!!!

Just clicking...

I had the TV on ESPN and came back into the room to hear Jim Rome talking about the Cribbs situation saying something to the effect that this is such a slap in the face. He said, "You're already going to lose Lebron. You better pay this guy before the same thing happens."

Why does he have a job?

Jim Rome...that says it all...Jackbutt.

I saw that too, I have always hated Rome.