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Im offended that the team has gone this route.
I think most of us are.  I'm sad, too.
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Man... all this "Josh this" and "Josh that" and needing to take the high road... It's like I'm reading a message of my mother just chiiiiirping away at me 
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One of his agents, today on All Bets Are Off, broke down the timeline basically as this:
A couple weeks ago, when Holmgren's hire was impending, Dawn Aponte contacted Cribbs' agents and told them they had an offer that worked out to $1.4 million a year. Said that after Holmgren got officially hired they could negotiate further.
Holmgren accepts the job. Last week Aponte contacts the agents again, says they have a slightly modified offer which was, in effect, a longer deal in terms of years that still worked out to $1.4 million a year. Agents verify that they understand the offer correctly. Aponte states that this is the offer that's come from Mike Holmgren, and that it will be the same next month, in March, and in August.
On Monday they send a written correspondence to Aponte verifying that the deal is $1.4 million per year and that they won't budge. The FO affirms this.
Tuesday, the agents send another written correspondence to Aponte and Holmgren asking for a response by 5PM that day indicating that they are willing to negotiate further or they will take their correspondences with the team public. They receive no response.
Wednesday they go public.
According to the agent, a simple indication that the FO would negotiate in good faith in the near future would suffice.
As I said, its the agent's word so it must be taken with a grain of salt.
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his leverage is his play on the field..
the browns would be picking at the 3 spot if it weren't for cribbs..
So, its his fault we don't have a chance to draft Berry? Curse the man!  
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As I said, its the agent's word so it must be taken with a grain of salt.
And so far his agents have been pretty reasonable....taking the Browns in good faith.
These things are able to be verified.....I think we can accept this is a pretty accurate account of what transpired.
Forget the salt.
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That's all well and good...and sure, it sucks that the Browns are low-balling him, but if 1.4 is the final offer, STFU and move on with your life. You got screwed over. You didn't get lied to because you got your new contract offer at the end of the season...you just aren't happy with it.
I wonder how long the contract would have been? Did anyone hear?
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Just clicking,,
Has anyone noticed that the only side of this we are hearing is Cribbs....
Does anyone think there may be more to the story,, everyone is siding with Josh.. What if Joshs camp said, we demand 5 mill a year and a 5 mill signing bonus.. would you still feel the same... Not saying that's what happened cause I got no way of knowing. But if it did, would still feel the same about these talks?
Look, I think the guy is great and without a doubt needs to be paid way better... so I'm with you guys there... 100%
But like anything else,, there is more than one side and all this jumping to conclusions without all the facts is insane.
this is gonna get worked out,, to do anything else is a PR nightmare for the team..
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That's all well and good...and sure, it sucks that the Browns are low-balling him, but if 1.4 is the final offer, STFU and move on with your life. You got screwed over. You didn't get lied to because you got your new contract offer at the end of the season...you just aren't happy with it.
I wonder how long the contract would have been? Did anyone hear?
And why be quite??
Most normal people would think we might have offered in the 3 mil range. No??
Why be quite and allow people tho continue to think that and think you might be the greedy party??
Nope....all cases are different, and in this case, they are playing it exactly how it needs to be played.
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"Rickert stated quite clearly that he would have been able to work with the Browns if they had simply STARTED out at $2.5 million per season."
just two things...
1. WHERE? (missed it)
2. And we are to believe him cause he's such a upstanding guy? 
And if thats what separating us why is it DONE!!! in their words.
Cause they wanted us to start around there so their 10 mil per year could be met somewhere in the middle 5-7 mil a year...and yeah I wish to own Microsoft
I believe an agent about as far as I can spit...and I suck at spitting it usually dribbles down my chin.
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I see Cribbs with a new agent before I see Cleveland standing pat on 1.4 a year for 6 years.
Of course there is always the chance that Josh is having a 1 year flash, but I believe the Browns could put big escalators in his contract if that is a concern.
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Just because you didn't read it doesn't mean it didn't happen... But since you missed it the last three times it was posted in this thread, here you go: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5...mp;confirm=true
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Just clicking,,
Has anyone noticed that the only side of this we are hearing is Cribbs....
Does anyone think there may be more to the story,, everyone is siding with Josh.. What if Joshs camp said, we demand 5 mill a year and a 5 mill signing bonus.. would you still feel the same... Not saying that's what happened cause I got no way of knowing. But if it did, would still feel the same about these talks?
Look, I think the guy is great and without a doubt needs to be paid way better... so I'm with you guys there... 100%
But like anything else,, there is more than one side and all this jumping to conclusions without all the facts is insane.
this is gonna get worked out,, to do anything else is a PR nightmare for the team..
I understand that....no matter what they are seeking, the Browns offer is substantially low.
For a guy who is proven, you don't do that.....you go in with your figure and stick to that.
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The agent for Browns WR/KR, Josh Cribbs, has confirmed his client's desire to be traded.
Under new direction (Mike Holmgren), the Brown's front office has reportedly offered Josh Cribbs a feeble raise to just $1.4 million per year, which Cribbs and his agent apparently scoffed at.
"If they had offered even something like $2.5 million per season we could have worked with them," Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert said.
Cribbs amassed more than 2,000 total yards for Cleveland in 2009, while returning three kicks for touchdowns, and bringing a punt back the distance as well.
Cribbs became more involved in the offense than in the past, also, as he racked up 381 yards on the ground out of Cleveland's version of the Wildcat, while adding 135 yards through the air, along with two more total touchdowns.
No longer a one-dimensional threat, Cribbs appears to be well worth the money he and his agent are asking for, and they are intent on getting it.
Rotoworld.com suggest the Miami Dolphins as an initial trading partner, as the two teams were reportedly discussing a potential trade before the trade deadline earlier this season.
Cribbs formally requests trade? Man talk about moving fast...
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Of course there is always the chance that Josh is having a 1 year flash, but I believe the Browns could put big escalators in his contract if that is a concern.
If he had a one year flash, then why does he own the five highest total kickoff return seasons in franchise history? The NFL record for most career kickoff returns for touchdowns? Been in the top five in kickoff return yardage in the NFL in three of his five seasons, including being #1 in 2007?
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Q: Not to take away from the guy but how often are teams kicking off to us? A: We get scored on a lot so that means lots more kick returns and chances to do things. 
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This shlump seems like a real amateur. Tactics such as going public and "all or nuttin' " should always be used as a last resort. Instead, dude shot his entire wad in one up-front salvo.
Wow. Cribbs is represented by a premature ejaculator. What a pity.
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No more than they are to most other teams.
There are, year in and year out, about 15 guys who have at least 40 KO attempts. Some have over 60.
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Most normal people would think we might have offered in the 3 mil range. No??
Around there, yes. I think we've all said the Browns gave a crappy offer.
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Why be quite and allow people tho continue to think that and think you might be the greedy party??
It sounds like Cribbs and his agents are the greedy party to me.
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It sounds like Cribbs and his agents are the greedy party to me.
How do you come to that conclusion?
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edit: not all directed at you, just clicked on you
Cleveland fans truly deserve the team we have. I can't believe anyone can be against this guy, let alone for asinine reasons they're giving. The worst part is, all he's doing is getting mad, and telling the truth. He didn't come out and slander the organization, he just said what we all already knew and most of us with half a brain in our heads were already thinking. This is after he has done everything right year after year as he's had promise after promise broken. If he came out and said F the Browns, F Cleveland, F Lerner, etc I couldn't blame him one bit.
He feels he was low balled and feels its a slap in the face. We know its a *FACT* and not an opinion that he was low balled because we know what the average salary for a middle of the pack kick returner in the league is and he is being offered a lower amount than that, and that isn't even being taken into account that he runs the wildcat, extremely well in fact, is the best in the league at covering kicks right now and is the best returner in league HISTORY. Would you be mad if you were him? Of course you would! But so many people are bad mouthing him now that its just sickening and I am ashamed to be your peer as a Browns fan.
We are the model for how to run a terrible franchise and this is just ANOTHER example of MANY as to why that is the case.
I hope he gets traded to Miami like the rumors have been saying. I'll be the first guy in line to buy a #16 Dolphins jersey if it happens. This guy is a special player, talent-wise AND character-wise. Everyone complains about professional athletes and the way they act but when a guy comes along who is truly a stand up guy this is how he's treated after he's been jerked around one time too many and decides to stand up for himself.
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I believe anyone that says GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE OR ELSE is greedy.
Whether I agree with the Browns offer or not (and I certainly don't), they were made an offer. It was too low for them and they won't stop spouting off about how Cribbs deserves more. That's greed.
Cribbs is taking credit for the coaching staff keeping their jobs. That's greed.
He's also basically taking credit for wins due solely to his play...that is also greed.
At least they put in the official trade request...now maybe they'll stay quiet until the Browns take too long to respond to it.
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I agree.Whenever I watched Cribbs get interviewed it seemed as though he was acting . Think about it, he didn't have much of a choice but shut up and play under his contract. He had four years left and that was his fault not anyone in the front office.
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I was completely freaked out when I first started reading all this Cribbs stuff. Yeah, he pretty much got screwed by Learner/Mangini promising him a deal before the end of the season and then it didn't happen and then we have MH and he wants to negotiate anew. End result: Everyone is pissed off. BUT: Browns fans know JC needs to be a Brown, JC knows he needs to be a Brown, MH needs to learn it, but he is no dummy. JC is historic and one of a kind, he will get his money and we need to calm down. MH just has other priorities, and he will get JC his money. And beyond that JC can't just walk away, he is under contract. Let's let this one play out. I know in my heart it will be worked out. I simply can't imagine the Cleveland Browns without Josh Cribbs. He's become our Hero, our Poster Child, our Light At The End of the Tunnel.....a man who goes above and beyond everything that has ever been asked of him, and he has been a true team player. This is just politics and it will get worked out.
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To be clear, I wasn't saying he was acting. 
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I was completely freaked out when I first started reading all this Cribbs stuff. Yeah, he pretty much got screwed by Learner/Mangini promising him a deal before the end of the season and then it didn't happen and then we have MH and he wants to negotiate anew. End result: Everyone is pissed off. BUT: Browns fans know JC needs to be a Brown, JC knows he needs to be a Brown, MH needs to learn it, but he is no dummy. JC is historic and one of a kind, he will get his money and we need to calm down. MH just has other priorities, and he will get JC his money. And beyond that JC can't just walk away, he is under contract. Let's let this one play out. I know in my heart it will be worked out. I simply can't imagine the Cleveland Browns without Josh Cribbs. He's become our Hero, our Poster Child, our Light At The End of the Tunnel.....a man who goes above and beyond everything that has ever been asked of him, and he has been a true team player. This is just politics and it will get worked out.
I felt the same way until I read the wording of the Browns offer. "This is it, today, tomorrow, next month." (Okay, that's not what they said, but you get the drift.) Now I just feel empty that Cribbs really will leave.
Do you really think they'll go back on their word? MH made that offer and he's only been here two days. If he back peddles with this, then what...
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MH is new and has no history with the team. So he will start negotiations at base value. He knows darn well Cribbs is the X Factor on the team, but in negotiations you start low and meet in the middle. This is truly what I believe what will happen.
Like when you go buy a car...and meet with the salesman...you low ball them and they high ball you...and then eventually you meet in the middle.
Or to make another analogy...Think of Chad Johnson...and all his crybaby screaming to be traded and it never happened and he worked out and played for Cincy. JC is nowhere near a crybaby......so I know in my heart it will be worked out. He wants to be here and he feels the total love from Cleveland...it will be worked out. Just give it time. Right now it is all total agent dramarama posturing.
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Right...I understand negotiating, but I'm concerned about the part that "this is our offer...today, tomorrow, next week". That doesn't sound like the Browns are willing to budge. I hope I'm wrong because it gives me a sick feeling that they don't see what we see in JC.
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Don't worry. Lerner knows. And he has the end say in everything. There would literally be a riot in Cleveland if Cribbs was traded. He is to the Browns as LeBron is to the Cavs. You simply don't dump the face of your team, which he was this past season. He carried us. People can say he "only" this or that, but the fact remains that he is the best there is at what he does in all of history and you simply don't let those kind of players walk. MH knows this. Right now it is completely and totally posturing. Mainly seems Cribbs agent is extremely impatient, but really Cribbs isn't going anywhere as he is under contract. It will be worked out. MH first priority is to secure HC and GM and then he can worry about players. We need to give it time and not worry to much about attorney posturing as that is what they are paid to do. JC wants to play here. He will be paid and it will work out. Trust me.
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I do hope you're right...and thanks. I just wasn't sure how serious MH is about his words. Good to know he may not be in some cases.
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I never would have thought Cribbs would say anything like that. He sounds like a prima donna. "I saved everyone's job....therefore pay me what I want within 3 days or I'll go to the media and cry like a baby."
Look, I think he needs a new contract but this isn't the right way to go about it. Him and his agent look awfully childish and stupid right now.
I am shocked he said that, too and had the same feeling about him patting himself on the back to get his new contract. 
I thought he deserved to make some more money, but the more I hear come out of his mouth, I'm not so sure. I know he's been patient, but I don't understand the sudden rush to get this done by a certain day and time.
Because he wants to be traded, Doesn't sound like he has any plans of coming back. He told his agents to get him traded, said good bye to staff and others after he cleaned out his locker.
I am 99% sure Cribb will not be playing for Browns next year, becausehe sounds like he thinks he can't trust them anymore, and I think I would do the same thing in his shoes.
Also if he wanted to be traded, can anyone think of a better way? Got to Keep the Fans on your side, got not look bad to other teams as complainer, got to look like a good team guy, So if the goal is to be traded this is a great move by his agents.
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I believe anyone that says GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE OR ELSE is greedy.
If you were promised pay based on your production, and you produced beyond what was expected (and more), then the employer notifies you that you aren't really worth as much as your production level indicated; in-fact, you are worth less than your fellow employees, who have done the same. Is that the employee being greedy, or is that injustice on behalf of the employer?
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I would move on. I wouldn't whine to my local tv news channel or newspaper.
Doesn't matter...now that they took the next step, I'll get over it as long as they stop talking publicly about all of this.
And, yes to both questions. Injustice and greed.
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I believe anyone that says GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE OR ELSE is greedy.
If you were promised pay based on your production, and you produced beyond what was expected (and more), then the employer notifies you that you aren't really worth as much as your production level indicated; in-fact, you are worth less than your fellow employees, who have done the same. Is that the employee being greedy, or is that injustice on behalf of the employer?
Well The Browns should have seen this coming, and they were told in an email it was,so...Maybe this was the plan all along, to trade Cribbs, easier to do if the player asks to be traded first. Also the Browns will just say, we tried to keep him, but....
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You are right IMO. The damage is done, trade him away.
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I don't care how badly you are getting screwed, you still STFU in public. Just go about doing whatever it is you will do (trade request, whatever) like an adult. Be disgruntled all you like...with your family, agents, friends, etc. Don't let us hear you cry.
I like Josh and want him to get paid, but I don't like him running his mouth and taking credit for everything good this season. There's no "I" in team.
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Josh isn't the one complaining. His attorney is, that is what they are paid to do. Trust me. When I have had legal issues in the past with my company .....my attorneys were like Don't Do Anything We Will Handle It. That is what they do. Agents/Attorneys will whatever they feel they need to do to protect their clients and scream as loud as necessary. JC isn't making the decision on that, it is up to his attorney/agent as that is what he is paying them for. So let's not confuse agents with Cribbs.
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You are right IMO. The damage is done, trade him away.
What will we get, maybe 2nd rounder and a 6th?
Who do you think he will be playing for next year...I am thining 49ers
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Don't worry. This is called Negotiations. Cribbs will be with us next season.
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