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I agree with the above totally. Josh Cribbs is my favorite current Brown, but I love the Cleveland Browns.
Folks correct me if I'm wrong on the following. I'm to lazy to look it all up and am going on memory.
Didn't JC and agent get a six year $800,000 per year contract with a 4 million signing bonus? Or six million? or maybe just 2? Anyway that's some cabbage, and no one held a gun to his head when he did sign it.
He has NOT been patient really and has complained about that contract since the year he signed it. He's just smart and understands that he was screwed given HE signed it, and played. I mean right now there is 3 flipping years on that contract and in the NFL that is eternity. He's still shafted.
I think I'd take 1.4 million with some kind of roster bonus and playing bonus and be pretty darn happy. His agent or Josh himself need to wake up here..........Browns can and should sit on him if it comes to that.....which it shouldn't.
And while I might *(most likely do) have his contract numbers wrong, the basic points are still my opinion.
I think it will get worked out eventually just like last year. I think the Browns will do something or other even though they don't have to. I also think that yes, Josh has outplayed his contract that really has nothing to do with it right now. The Browns offer wasn't half bad, and most likely could be better if him and his agent would chill out. While he might actually want traded I don't see that happening.
He could save face by saying HE has decided to wait until the GM is in place and the draft is over. Or he could be a baby. We'll see.
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Yeah and at just over 600K per year, it won't hurt them to let his butt sit.
It would be Cribbs paying the Browns not to play... literally.. both in terms of holdout fines and the Browns technically would be able to go after at least part of his signing bonus if they chose to.
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You're forgetting that it was the organization that contacted Cribbs' representation, not the other way around.
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That article is 4 months old.
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Yeah and at just over 600K per year, it won't hurt them to let his butt sit.
It would be Cribbs paying the Browns not to play... literally.. both in terms of holdout fines and the Browns technically would be able to go after at least part of his signing bonus if they chose to.
And any good FA would run from this team. So we would only get left overs that no other team wanted, or pay 3 times as much to get him...maybe even both.
So when we are losing to the Steelers, and Cribbs is just sitting there...what do you think the Fans would do?
Maybe ask for Holmgren head...So no way they sit him, no way.
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yea, thats why I said " back in Oct"
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So if he isn't traded and a new contract isn't reached, what should the Browns do if he holds out?
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So if he isn't traded and a new contract isn't reached, what should the Browns do if he holds out?
Recoup any bonus or money paid to him. Look Cribbs will either be traded, get a new contract, play under his current contract, or not play and get payed nothing let me tell you 600k a year is a crap ton better than nothing.
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So if he isn't traded and a new contract isn't reached, what should the Browns do if he holds out?
If it would get that far, they would just let him go. Why risk having the team implode over what would be seen as a Holmgren ego, and a player that got lied to by the team year after year after year.Who wins?
But He will be traded, and I hope we don't have to play against him two time a year.
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Am I the only one who is okay with what he is saying?
He's pissed!! He busts his butt harder than all the other guys every week, keeps a great attitude no matter what, and then you throw a garbage offer at him? Heck NO!!!!
I would have said the same thing!! Dont' take Cribbs kindness for weakness!!
I completely agree with you. Pay the man. Don't pay him $6M a year but the offer was an insult. He is the core of our offense and special teams. Pay the guy. The keeping of Mangini does benefit him because I believe EM will keep his word. I only second guess his timing. This is a time to be firm but not a malcontent....for a few weeks until the dust settles.
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I just see this as a pretty obvious attempt by Cribbs' agent to use overwhelming fan support to put extra pressure on the FO. No more, no less. If I see it, then surely Holmgren does as well.
Clearly Cribbs is worth more than 1.4 million. An initial offer doesn't change that, nor does it draw a line in the sand that can't be washed away......it simply tempers expectations of an enormous deal.
My guess is Cribbs agent has been blowing smoke out of his ass for the past 4 months, telling Josh he can get him a Hester like deal when in reality, he can not. Now he's trying to make it a team vs. Josh thing when he is the one who created unresonable expectations with his own client.
If I had to take a guess, Cribbs stays with the Browns and does so for something like 5 years, 12-13 million. At the end of the day he'll get paid, he and his agent just need to quit acting like Children. This isn't monopoly.
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At the end of the day he'll get paid, he and his agent just need to quit acting like Children. This isn't monopoly.
Ditto.
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This whole situation bothers me. Something here stinks...
I can't help but wonder if the goal of Josh and his agents isn't to get traded, as others have mentioned. After all, he's a ridiculously talented player stuck on a team that's been almost nothing but bad his whole career. He might be looking for an opportunity to go to a better team before he retires.
Secondly, I get the idea of negotiating and starting low, meeting in the middle, yada, yada, yada...but if I'm buying a car or a house or whatever, I'm not going to go in with an offer so low I insult the seller to the point they no longer want to make the sale. I'll go in low enough to give myself comfortable negotiating room and high enough to keep the seller interested. $1.4 is a ridiculously low offer for a player like JC. He knows it. We know it. And I'm pretty sure MH knows it. So if he really wants to keep JC, why go SO low?
And I have to say that I'm really disappointed in JC. He's showed a lot of class and integrity over the last couple of years. Some of the things he's been saying in the media over the last couple of days are down right PRIMA DONNA. He saved all the coach's jobs? He carried the team on his back? For as high and mighty as he's tried to be the whole season, especially on his primetime interview after the Steelers win, he sure did a quick 180!
As my mama used to say, you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. There's a way to stand up for yourself and to negotiate smartly without throwing temper tantrums in the media.
And for those that think it's unreasonable for us to compare our situations to those of NFL players, I disagree. They are still humans - they just happen to be really good at a game. I get that their careers are relatively short and that they "need" to make a lifetime's worth of salary in less than 10 years. I respect that. But in tough economic times, it's hard to listen to him cry over $1.4MM a year and he should know better. Unemployment has hit my family HARD over the last 2 years. There have been times I didn't know what was going to happen to my family because there was NO money. I have to feel lucky to have a crummy job where I'm underpaid SEVERLY for my experience and skill set just because it keeps food on the table and the lights on. It seems JC could use a healthy dose of perspective as much as anyone else.
6 Years at $1.4MM a year is more than 6 lifetimes of earning potential for most average joes. He should have kept these negotiations out of the public. He's trying to use fan outrage to force the Browns into giving him more because he knows that he really has no other leverage with 3 years left on his current contract. Not unexpectedly, he's polarizing his fan base with this tactic. It's not all his agents. He's mincing no words in the media.
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You are right IMO. The damage is done, trade him away.
What will we get, maybe 2nd rounder and a 6th?
Who do you think he will be playing for next year...I am thining 49ers
I'd take a 2nd and a 6th for a special teams player who went undrafted and turned out to be a pretty good SPECIAL TEAMS player.....aside from the flash package....he has shown he isnt a starting WR, he isnt a starting RB, and he will never be a QB.
I really like Cribbs and think he does deserve to be paid more, but for him to be talking the way he is, and his agents to be talking the way they are....I wouldnt ship him out, I would make him sit for the next two years then trade him with one year left on his contract after he has been sitting around.....this who situation has really changed my opinion on Cribbs.....obviously he has a EGO, and may I say its a tad bit higher than Braylon Edwards at this point....I never remembered EVER hearing Braylon talk the way Cribbs has about how he has saved coaches jobs, and brought us to victories...
lets face it the Josh Cribbs we all came to know and love was a obvious cover up, a ruse....turns out he is a guy with a EGO who has grown too big for the city of Cleveland....Josh WOW dude....JUST WOW! 
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So if he isn't traded and a new contract isn't reached, what should the Browns do if he holds out?
If it would get that far, they would just let him go. Why risk having the team implode over what would be seen as a Holmgren ego, and a player that got lied to by the team year after year after year.Who wins?
But He will be traded, and I hope we don't have to play against him two time a year.
I'm not sure what will happen. He might get traded, he might get a new contract, he might sit out for a while and he might give in.
He's not getting let go though (assuming you mean release him) 
Seriously, there is no chance that is going to happen.
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This whole situation bothers me. Something here stinks...
I can't help but wonder if the goal of Josh and his agents isn't to get traded, as others have mentioned. After all, he's a ridiculously talented player stuck on a team that's been almost nothing but bad his whole career. He might be looking for an opportunity to go to a better team before he retires.
Secondly, I get the idea of negotiating and starting low, meeting in the middle yada, yada, yada...but if I'm buying a car or a house or whatever, I'm not going to go in with an offer so low I insult the seller to the point they no longer want to make the sale. I'll go in low enough to give myself comfortable negotiating room and high enough to keep the seller interested. $1.4 is a ridiculously low offer for a player like JC. He knows it. We know it. And I'm pretty sure MH knows it. So if he really wants to keep JC, why go SO low?
You got it, they don't. Why I have no idea, as they have no other Big Time play-makers on the team. I wish the Browns would have wanted to at least try to keep him, but it sure looks like they don't. 
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So if he isn't traded and a new contract isn't reached, what should the Browns do if he holds out?
If it would get that far, they would just let him go. Why risk having the team implode over what would be seen as a Holmgren ego, and a player that got lied to by the team year after year after year.Who wins?
But He will be traded, and I hope we don't have to play against him two time a year.
I'm not sure what will happen. He might get traded, he might get a new contract, he might sit out for a while and he might give in.
He's not getting let go though (assuming you mean release him)
Seriously, there is no chance that is going to happen.
correct, and there is no chance of the Browns sitting him, was my point
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Anyone who is lamenting the timing of this has our FO to blame. They could've told him "let us get things in place and we'll handle your deal then" but instead they came to him and said "$1.4 mil, take it or leave it."
That's a pretty snap-judgment considering you only have his agents words to form an opinion 
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According to the agents, the Browns offered $1.4 mil.
Currently he is getting paid $600K.If we do the math that's an $800K raise and more than double his current contract. Not that bad considering the Browns did not need to offer him even that.
Like so many else have said,there are bigger fish to fry at the moment.
The HC has only been decided upon about 14 hours ago.
A GM needs to be hired and briefed.
And more importantly, who is going to be the QB of this team.
JMO, but a good passing attack will trump a flash package every time.
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Anyone who is lamenting the timing of this has our FO to blame. They could've told him "let us get things in place and we'll handle your deal then" but instead they came to him and said "$1.4 mil, take it or leave it."
That's a pretty snap-judgment considering you only have his agents words to form an opinion
True. On the other hand I find it hard his representation would just fabricate the whole thing.
It seems pretty detailed in how they verified the information and sought confirmation.
At any rate, it is a long time before the season, and even a long way before the draft which is where we would part ways if need be. There is still adequate time for a deal to be made if it is meant to be.
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I understand that....no matter what they are seeking, the Browns offer is substantially low.
For a guy who is proven, you don't do that.....you go in with your figure and stick to that.
Yes it is substantially low.. No question about it.. But we don't know what they asked for either.. What if thier request was "substantially high" like I said before?
For all we know, his agents asked for Hester type money,,
This is what happens when we don't know both sides of the story.....
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Just curious.
If he's not playing another down as a Brown until he gets a new contract, who's helmet is he going to wear at the Pro Bowl?
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For those who are saying there are "bigger fish to fry"...
Are you sure about that?
1) What happened to multi-tasking?? Are we a team that can only focus on ONE thing at a time? Wow.. No wonder we suck.
2) GM? who will probably get fired in 3 years, or Great Player, who has helped this team WIN GAMES, and will help this team WIN more games? A team is judged on wins, and to me that takes priority over anything. We bring in a new GM, what is he going to do right away? PLUS, the guy holmgren wants is on the eagles, and we can't HIRE him til their post season is over.
TAKE CARE OF YOUR PLAYERS!! Antics like this by our front office will not be forgotten by players who are looking for a new team. When they see Cleveland Browns, they will immediately scratch their name off the list, b/c they know they will not be compensated fairly for their play.
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According to the agents, the Browns offered $1.4 mil.
Currently he is getting paid $600K.If we do the math that's an $800K raise and more than double his current contract. Not that bad considering the Browns did not need to offer him even that.
Like so many else have said,there are bigger fish to fry at the moment.
The HC has only been decided upon about 14 hours ago.
A GM needs to be hired and briefed.
And more importantly, who is going to be the QB of this team.
JMO, but a good passing attack will trump a flash package every time.
Line Judge...Very good summation of the Cribbs situation.
I will add this, we are now hearing that some teams are showing interest in Cribbs. That is a good thing for the front office, "just to see" what interest and what value other teams affix to Cribbs.
When Holmgren was hired as Prez of the Browns, he inherited a team that has a QB problem along with an unhappy special teams return man. Also, Holmgren is trying to hire "the person" (a GM), who will be responsible for the personnel decisions for the Browns for maybe the next 5 seasons.
Any good GM is going to look at the Cribbs situation in a way that Cribbs' fans would never consider. Cribbs is under contract, at the top of his game and may never have a higher trade value than he has at this time.
Slowing down the Cribbs contract process to allow thorough assessment is to the benefit of Holmgren, the new GM and the franchise as we look toward the future.
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Slowing down the Cribbs contract process to allow thorough assessment is to the benefit of Holmgren, the new GM and the franchise as we look toward the future.
That right there might be the smartest thing I've seen come out of your keyboard
Seriously, he's under contract, nothing he can do except attempt to turn public opinion to his favor and hopefully apply pressure on the Browns to make a deal.
I can assure you, if the Browns wait until the very last day at the very last moment to 'pay the man" he'll come in and the first words he will say is, I wanna thank MH, EM and RL for showing me respect and making me a Brown for life (or at least until I want another new contract).....
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You gotta admit that a great GM will have more impact on the overall success of a franchise than a special teams player and that choosing a starting QB is more important than salving the ego of a special teams player.
Why should the Browns rush into things after making an offer that more than doubles his pay even though they were under no obligation? If he wants taken care of right NOW, it's about ego.
and it's true that Cribbs is great, but........
tomorrow he could get hurt playing basketball and never play again.
He could also stop producing as well or quit trying after getting his big pay day.We have seen this before and frankly if I were MH I would make him stew in his own juices for awhile.
It's Cribb's and his agents' ( plural) ego at this point in the year.
Did I mention the word ego?
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Once again everybody is jumping the gun. Cribbs situation will be handled, BUT it's not at the top of the priority list, and it shouldn't be. The whole mess will be handled in good time. No need for everybody to be p in arms about it 
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That right there might be the smartest thing I've seen come out of your keyboard
Daman...and the above comment is not the smartest thing to come from you...
I posted the same comment yesterday, worded a little differently...guess you missed it...
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Yuppers, I did miss it,, however, had I read it yesterday, I would no doubt have thought that was the smartest thing....... Leaving today to be no more than repeating yourself
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Just curious.
If he's not playing another down as a Brown until he gets a new contract, who's helmet is he going to wear at the Pro Bowl?
what announcer was it that said concussions could be reduced if the players no longer wore helmets-- might have been Aikman. Maybe Cribbs is on board with that idea
Just out of curiosity- what was the 'original X-factor' paid- Donte Hall of the chiefs. He was a fan favorite, a speedy return specialist and a crappy widereceiver as well. Maybe that would be a good starting point for negotiations.
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Ditto.
At the end of what day?
Before the 2008 season, he was talking to Savage about getting it redone... apparently Savage said they would redo it at the end of the year if he produced. He did, but Savage was fired so he got nothing.
Before the 2009 season, after being unable to convince Mangini that he was owed a reuppance, he was told he had to show he could contribute in a way that he deserved more money. He did in spades. He was told by the head coach and de facto gm that he would get a raise/extension "by the end of the season."
Holmgren comes in and immediately offers him what is clearly a low-ball offer and reportedly tells that that's as good as it gets. On a team WAAAY below the salary cap for 2009 and heading into an uncapped year. Basically he's being told "we will never pay you anywhere near what you are worth. Although you play harder than anyone on the team and possibly individually contributed more than anyone on the team, you aren't worth 2.5% of what would be our salary cap."
It's just insulting! How can they justify that? How much did they sign robert royal for... 3x that? Even the fans know that around $3 mil per is reasonable, his agents are willing to work with that, the national media knows that's what he should get... why are the Browns FO people the only ones who don't know that? Totally ridiculous.
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Gosh,...I hope he actually shows up and plays.
Actually there is probably a contract clause that "requires" he attend,...?
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Not sure if this is posted on here or not.
An audio interview w/Cribbs was replayed on sirius NFL radio yesterday and he stated his frustration over the deal but also understood the new regime needed a little time to settle in. He also commented on how patient and upstanding he's been and that he will continue to represent himself in that way.
Didn't at all sound like some of the stuff that has been written so far.
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Wish he could have imparted a little of that common sense to his legal/agent crew,... 
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I agree and who's to say he's happy with his agent right now. He's confident a deal will STILL get done while his agent says he's gone.
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a pretty obvious attempt by Cribbs' agent to use overwhelming fan support
That may become a thing of the past . Look , I love to watch the guy play but at the end of the day he is making $600,000 to play a game ..... I don't get too worked up about him being on a soup line any time soon.
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Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum cribbs' agent: "we're done"
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