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It all comes down to what is "fair" .... if an argument can be made that $2-3 million per year is unfair .......
If I were the HMFIC ... I would offer a contract with a new signing bonus, (maybe $6 or $7 million) another year or 2 .... a modest raise ... and a boatload of performance bonuses. There really is no other reason for the Browns to redo a deal that runs another several years other than to be nice to the player, and in appreciation for the palyer's hard work and performance. I do not see the need to give a player a huge raise just because they want it. I have always been of a mind that players should earn their contracts, and that a contract redone at the player's request, and to the player's benefit, (in this case, almost exclusively to the payer's benefit) should be redone in such a way that continued performance will be rewarded, while slippage in play will not.
Good post,...why pay for "future" performance you have no guaranteee of ever receiving ?
I say giving the guy a nice big signing bonus for what he's DONE and a $1.8-2.0 a year contract is way more than fair for a KR who we have no idea how many more kicks he's ever gonna get to return as the team gets "better."
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Cribbs side would argue that he's providing an intangible asset that hinders his ability to hit performance targets, the squib kick or kicking away from him, as his opportunities would naturally decrease as more teams refuse to kick to him. Now whether or not that's an actual asset depends on how good the opposing teams kicker is at squibs and kicking away from him and as those opportunities decrease, how valuable is that to the Browns?
Which brings everything back to just how important a special-teams player really is when compared to a player who holds a regular position. 
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Unfortunately for Cribbs, what is "fair" has very little to do with how this turns out for him. I think he deserves more money, but Cribbs, his agent, and the fans have to understand that he has no leverage in these negotiations. He is signed for 3 more years and will have to be satisfied with whatever amount more than he is currently making that the Browns are willing to give him. Players never win these kinds of disputes unless they are truly elite, HOF talents.
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they offered to double his pay and he turned his nose at it....tell me how many of you would do that if your bosses came up to you and offered to double your pay.
Cribbs is proving to be just as much, if not more of a Diva than Braylon Edwards. And that is saying alot.....
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FURTHERMORE ... imagine the problems this will cause for every agent in future drafts. EVERY player will want to hold out for as MUCH as they can, because they will fear if they dont get as much as they can in writing, they will never be able to "Play" their way out of a lower level contract.
You do realize that a lot of draft picks already get paid more than what they are worth coming out of college, right?
Ryan Leaf
Heath Shuler
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Absolutely ... and you think Robiskie was benefited by holding out for even a week? Or (up for debate) how about Quinn? Aside for the specifics, imagine how much more they could have contributed to our team earlier on if they weren't quabbling about a few hundred thousand dollars over the life of a contract. Im not saying we draft michael crabtree divas, but why would anyone want to say "Ill prove it on the field and if I do I'll get my payday" If they see the most talented and probably best player on our team isn't even rewarded?
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Trading JC for a second rounder would better set this team up for the future than paying him rediculous money when he hasn't established himself much outside of special teams. If another team is willing to throw you a 2nd for an undrafted kick returner you run with it.
And that brings us back to how much leverage Cribbs has.
The answer is NONE, ZERO, ZIP, NADDA, JACK-SQUAT.
He doesn't play a position that can't be replaced with an easily-found player. He isn't a #2 receiver that can't be replaced easily. He isn't a QB. He isn't a RB. The things he does in the Wildcat can most likely be done by any running back because he throws the ball like Uncle Rico.
But the most damning part of his case lies in the fact that he is signed to a small-beans contract for three more seasons.
In short, he and his agents can't force a trade at all. If he sits, he's replaced by a guy who, while not as dynamic, can still produce.
The simple fact is that kick and punt returners are not hard to find. Every year the league is filled with guys we've never heard of who are excellent at it.
Unless the organization views Cribbs as a completely expendable commodity, where it's best to sell very high, he isn't going anywhere.
It's also my opinion that too many people have emotionally tied into Cribbs and view him as the "heart and soul" of the Browns.
When a special-teamer is the "heart and soul" then you have a crap-team. Cribbs simply isn't that important in the big picture. He's essentially just a special-teamer.
I'd like to see him get a raise, and I think he deserves more than $1.4 + incentives. However, I'm not going to be suckered into making an emotional judgment based SOLELY on the word of a freakin' agent 
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FURTHERMORE ... imagine the problems this will cause for every agent in future drafts. EVERY player will want to hold out for as MUCH as they can, because they will fear if they dont get as much as they can in writing, they will never be able to "Play" their way out of a lower level contract.
Let's be fair here. Cribbs was an UNDRAFTED FA that the Browns gave an opportunity. He was EXTREMELEY happy to sign his 6 year contract 3 years ago.Don't get me wrong, I feel Cribbs needs to be paid,..and he will,...by us.
But if you're comparing apples to apples, you are then saying undrafted FA's that we are willing to sign will be reluctant to do so because of Cribbs.  Sorry man,...that will never happen.
Cribbs situation is very unique. Undrafted FA's could only dream of having Cribbs problem right now.
I dont think you ARE comparing apples to apples ... let's say some quality player is available through straight-up Free Agency (I dont think the UFA matters) ... like Chester Taylor, Lendale White or Pierre Thomas ... all pretty solid players, but not top-tier pro bowlers ... IF we thought one of those guys was good enough to sign for a 4, 5 ,maybe 6 year deal .. they are gonna try to take us to the bank knowing that if they light it up they wont get their deal redone. Long story short, because players dont trust the organization they FORCE US to overpay in the beginning rather than have a mediocre contract and hope to renegotiate if they outplay it in 3 or 4 years.
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But Uncle Rico can throw a ball way over those mountains HAHAHA
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Cribbs and his agent are trying to get market value, which is 3 mil a year or more, based on Hester. The reason they have gone public is because that's the only bullet in their gun; they know they have no other ammunition than the court of public opinion. I don't view Cribbs as a diva so much as a young man getting bad advice. I think he'll end up getting a bonus and a salary nearly triple his current and then everyone will make nice.
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Cribbs and his agent are trying to get market value, which is 3 mil a year or more, based on Hester. The reason they have gone public is because that's the only bullet in their gun; they know they have no other ammunition than the court of public opinion. I don't view Cribbs as a diva so much as a young man getting bad advice. I think he'll end up getting a bonus and a salary nearly triple his current and then everyone will make nice.
Well if you hear him talk in the media that is more than someone telling him what he should be paid....he in his head thinks he has become un-replacable....jeez he is a special teamer.....its not too hard to find a someone how could do just fine returning kicks and punts....i mean heck Northcutt did a good job back there
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they offered to double his pay and he turned his nose at it....tell me how many of you would do that if your bosses came up to you and offered to double your pay.
Cribbs is proving to be just as much, if not more of a Diva than Braylon Edwards. And that is saying alot.....
If fair market value for my services was estimated at or thought to be 3 times the current pay ... then double would be a slap in the face. I don't think he's acting like a diva, he really is a nice guy. I think he just looks around with a LITTLE personal bias and is sick of doing the right thing for basically 2 years with unkept promises. Even if other organizations overpaid (ie hester), it still means SOMEONE who isn't as good as Cribbs is getting paid MORE than him to do LESS work. Not saying we have to reward him, but I think between that and his dirty agent, most anyone can at least understand why he's upset.
Our punter Zastudil is making 1.4 million this year (and didn't even play all year ps) ... Cribb's offer was to be a RAISE up to 1.4 million..... Would you rather have cribbs or zastudil?
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When Cribbs takes credit for saving the coaches jobs, yeah, that's EXACTLY what he meant when he made his quote, he's becoming a diva. 
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If he said that, he is arguably correct. I don't know why he thinks that helps his cause, though.
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I see where you're coming from and don't disagree. BUT I still feel it's more desparation and frustration at this point. The kid has played for a couple years now asking for a raise, and I'm fairly sure anyone would be upset if everytime their boss said "work hard this year, we'll give you a raise for next year" .. then their boss was fired.... I bet they'd feel upset.
I just cant believe how unique his situation actually is, really hard to draw comparisons from.
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I guess Cribbs is going to be on ESPN all day Monday. Quote:
Cleveland Browns Pro Bowl kick returner Josh Cribbs will be a guest Monday at ESPN's campus in Bristol, CT.
Cribbs will break down the playoffs throughout the day and discuss his contract situation as a panelist on various shows such as Outside the Lines, NFL Live and SportsCenter.
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NEWS FLASH: HESTER IS BETTER THAN CRIBBS!!!
He has proven to be a legit WR, at least a much better one than Cribbs is......Nobody forced Cribbs to sign the deal he agreed to. He was as happy as a pig in a big pile of umm mud when he first signed it. We already offered to double the contract that he originally was super excited about and he turned his nose at it, and started crying in the media about how he has been wronged. If it wasnt for the Browns giving the kid a chance he wouldnt even be in the NFL!
Josh needs to realize that the Wildcat is a gimmick offense, he is a gimmick player...sooner or later the NFL will find a way to shut it down then all he is left with is being a great return man....that isnt worth big bucks as others have said KR, and PR's are a dime a dozen. While he is good, he is only as good as the guys blocking for him, and now that he has taken all the credit for those plays I wonder how eager they all are to help him, so he can take all the credit.
I think Josh and his I am the best attitude have totally turned me off, he needs to wake up and fire his agents, come out and admitt he got frusterated and spouted some things off that he truly didnt mean to say, and honor the contract he signed. He wanted a pay increase they offered to double his pay and he threw a fit.....I say try to send him to Miami for Ted Ginn Jr., true we will pay more than we would for Cribbs but at least Ginn can run routes, and has a little bit better hands.....and is faster than Cribbs
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If he said that, he is arguably correct. I don't know why he thinks that helps his cause, though.
Exactly. To an extent, it's possible he did. We don't know if they'd have kept Mangini anyway. But what we DO know is that carrying his case in front of the camera's is one thing, but saying something like that is an absolute no-no. It means his head is becoming too big to fit into his Browns helmet...........
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NEWS FLASH: HESTER IS BETTER THAN CRIBBS!!!
He has proven to be a legit WR, at least a much better one than Cribbs is......Nobody forced Cribbs to sign the deal he agreed to. He was as happy as a pig in a big pile of umm mud when he first signed it. We already offered to double the contract that he originally was super excited about and he turned his nose at it, and started crying in the media about how he has been wronged. If it wasnt for the Browns giving the kid a chance he wouldnt even be in the NFL!
Josh needs to realize that the Wildcat is a gimmick offense, he is a gimmick player...sooner or later the NFL will find a way to shut it down then all he is left with is being a great return man....that isnt worth big bucks as others have said KR, and PR's are a dime a dozen. While he is good, he is only as good as the guys blocking for him, and now that he has taken all the credit for those plays I wonder how eager they all are to help him, so he can take all the credit.
I think Josh and his I am the best attitude have totally turned me off, he needs to wake up and fire his agents, come out and admitt he got frusterated and spouted some things off that he truly didnt mean to say, and honor the contract he signed. He wanted a pay increase they offered to double his pay and he threw a fit.....I say try to send him to Miami for Ted Ginn Jr., true we will pay more than we would for Cribbs but at least Ginn can run routes, and has a little bit better hands.....and is faster than Cribbs
He has proven to be a better WR than Cribbs but Cribbs does incredible in the Wildcat for us, which something you can't say in Hester. Also, Cribbs does it all and does it well - not only returning kicks but covering kicks too. And he gives us a legitimate threat in the Wildcat. Not exactly apples to apples when Hester doesn't factor in their Wildcat hardly at all and that was a plus-side of our offense.
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He's listed on NFL.com as a WR, though we all agree he's not a receiver.
Not so fast there pilgrim (said in my best John Wayne voice)
Give him a QB and an offensive system that has plays designed to take advantage of his unique skills, if he still fails, then I'll agree with you.....
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exactly my point muni. squib kicks give us good field position. there is a lot of value in that.
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I see where you're coming from and don't disagree. BUT I still feel it's more desparation and frustration at this point. The kid has played for a couple years now asking for a raise, and I'm fairly sure anyone would be upset if everytime their boss said "work hard this year, we'll give you a raise for next year" .. then their boss was fired.... I bet they'd feel upset.
I just cant believe how unique his situation actually is, really hard to draw comparisons from.
You're right. There hasn't been a situation like it. All we can do is break down each facet of it and build the entire picture.
It all MUST start with the contract extension he signed that was 6-years in length.
Cribbs had a choice: Take a long-term, SAFE contract and pocket the $2 million then, or wait and try to hit the BIG contract. He made his choice. Then he did some good things, and it was perceived that he signed a bad deal. He DIDN'T sign a bad deal. He signed a SAFE deal. So his agents............his NEW agents............told him the Browns should give him a do-over because his old agent snookered him. So he starts asking for a new contract only two years into a six-year deal.
Preposterous.
So he allegedly is promised a new contract by a regime that was deposed. Then it happened a second time.
Can we see how he'd be frusterated? Yes, absolutely, but that doesn't change reality.
Reality is STILL that he wanted a new contract only three-years after signing a NEW contract that wasn't his ROOKIE contract. There are very few precedents for that one.
Now you have to factor in the comps. It's not Hester. It can't BE Hester. He's a receiver. He plays and produces at a regular position. He's out.
That leaves guys like Andre Davis and Roscoe Parrish as the only real comps to pull from.
We can say without a doubt Cribbs is the best special-teamer in the game. So it can be said he should be paid as such. I doubt anyone could argue with that. The problem is what does he bring to the REST of the team. Is he a passer out of the Wildcat? No, he's not. Any RB could do what he did from those formations because of that. We already know he's not a receiver. He was out there because we didn't have anyone else ready.
So we're down to the dynamic of how much more than the next best special-teamer should he get when determining whether or not getting new money three years into his six year deal is something he's entitled to ask for.
His current deal says that he's to get $600k in 2010. Forget the talk of incentives. That'll be in his new deal as well, so it's just the salary that's important. He's been offered a raise to $1.4 million over the last three years of his deal.
I don't care how you look at it, getting a raise of $2.4 million over three years is damned good money for a special-teamer. Remember, that's not a raise TO $2.4 million over three years. That's a raise of AN ADDITIONAL $2.4 million over three years.
I think the agents feel he deserves an all-new contract, and the Browns feel he should still be bound to the six-year deal he signed just three years ago.
I tend to agree with the Browns.
Cribbs pocketed a FREE $2 million thirty-six months ago. People need to remember that signing bonuses are paid for FUTURE production, not PAST production. That's why his binding contract still has some legs.
The bottom line: His agents aren't happy that Cribbs signed a contract built by previous agents and want a do-over. The Browns are willing to give a little but don't give a rats-ass about what the new agents want. Cribbs should NOT get a brand new deal. He should either get his current deal modified, or extended years. This is because he previous deal is still very-much in play.
There's tearing up a deal or giving an extension to a player, but the FACT Cribbs signed such a long-term deal ruins his case. He wants something to be done that really hasn't been done before. Good luck with that when you're a special-teams player, because as the team gets better, Cribbs touches become reduced. He shouldn't get paid based on the 2009 season. He should get paid based on what he's going to do in the future, and that future does NOT include being a receiver.
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He's listed on NFL.com as a WR, though we all agree he's not a receiver.
Not so fast there pilgrim (said in my best John Wayne voice)
Give him a QB and an offensive system that has plays designed to take advantage of his unique skills, if he still fails, then I'll agree with you.....
Exactly. This guy is a beast with the ball in his hands and if we can find a way to get it to him even more then the better we will be. If we could settle in on a QB that defenses must prepare for then this offense will be dangerous and Cribbs will be the highlight.
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The sad reality is that if Cribbs is the highlight of the team, we're a pathetic team. He was this past year, and we pretty much were.
Sad but true, and I'm sure everyone would agree with that.
Teams can't win offensively if their best player can't even play a regular position.
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He told the Cleveland Plain-Dealer the team had made a $1.4 million/year offer that made him feel "like I've been betrayed and stabbed in the back.
"I'm not just insulted by the number, but by the fact they consider me just a kick returner. I'm so much more than that.''
He is more than that, but not "so much more" than that.
3.4 rushing attempts per game. That's how much more he is than a special-teamer.
Now he made a small mis-quote because the Browns KNOW he's a gunner as well, so the more appropriate comment would have been that he's so much more than a "special teamer."
But he isn't.
3.5 touches per game rushing the ball. That's how much more he is than a special-teamer.
I think he believes himself to be more than what he really is because as the team gets better, his touches go down. His agents aren't helping this at all.
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Don't forget to add that he averaged 6.9 yards per carry.
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I think he believes himself to be more than what he really is because as the team gets better, his touches go down. His agents aren't helping this at all.
I'll agree with you on the agents being the problem (always wanting more). But here's a question for you toad (and anyone else). How important is it for Cleveland to at least LOOK desirable. Despite the media claiming Mangini was the devil and being on the Browns would be football hell, they seemed to overcome some of that late in the season. Then MH arrived and EVERYONE got real happy saying he is a players coach. How much damage can this do if one of our top 3 (maybe 2) players on the team are treated unfairly (or at least the perception that they are). How many quality FA's will want to come here if they (or their agents) think this is a place you wont be treated fairly?
Does it at least register as a semi-major problem to the rest of you guys? I'm not for throwing our checkbooks at him, but I think that we will see long term ramifications if we dont at least try to meet him in the middle.
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Zero damage. None. Zip.
There's been a fear for years that our bumblings will keep free agents away. Yet year after year when we go after a free agent, we get them. Why? Because money talks.
There hasn't been one shred of evidence over the last 11 seasons to show we can't attract free agents, either on the field, or in the front office.
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does anyone know what cribbs and his agent are looking for? all i have been able to read is that he is unhappy, is he looking for 3 or 4 a year? i mean i am sure a big issue too is what is up front, but i really think we should just pay the guy a little more. i'm kinda sick of hearing about it.
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It's guess-work, but we DO have some information which tells us where they wanted the Browns to start at:
$2.5 million.
They said if the Browns had started there they could work with it.
So draw whatever conclusions you wish because the rest is guess-work, but it looks to me like they wouldn't have settled for anything less than $3 million per, and probably were looking for more than that. Something like $3.5-$4 million plus incentives and workout bonuses.
Taking it a step further, I can only assume that the agents were ok with simply adjusting his current deal, as that's what the Browns were supposedly offering to do, which wasn't something the agents complained about.
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He isn't even close to our best player....
Don't be so silly. Aside from Joe Thomas, Cribbs is our MVP.
Like I said, how quickly they forget....
I would argue that Eric Wright is every bit as good as Cribbs. He rarely misses assignments and seems to shut down opposing wrs on a regular basis. Since Cribbs has only really established himself in the wildcat outside of special teams, it's a tough argument to say that JC is our best player. The offer that was given was entirely fair considering his role the team.
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Mostly just some general ramblings .....
There is always some subjectiveness in players' worth .... but in this case Cribbs has already agreed to his value. His agreement is what his contract that runs for another 3 years says.
Cribbs is an excellent kick returner. So excellent that teams kick away from him.
Now, let's say that teams continue to kick away from him, and do so even more often .... we get decent but not great field position as a result .... then does Cribbs have value? What is that value? How big a raise does that value earn?
The bottom line is that the NFL will always value measurables over intangibles. They will value performance over "yeah buts". They value position over versatility when contract time rolls around. In the case of a guy with 3 years remaining on his contract, performance bonuses are the main way I would increase a guy's contract. Protection is there in the event that he bottoms out for any reason and loses value as far as the team is concerned.
If we get a 2nd, I'm OK with that. I would rather have a premium WR, TE, or RB than a guy who can run the Wildcat well.
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Now, let's say that teams continue to kick away from him, and do so even more often .... we get decent but not great field position as a result .... then does Cribbs have value? What is that value? How big a raise does that value earn?
Why are we getting the ball kicked to us so often that they have to avoid Cribbs,....??
Because we are behind, not scoring, and our D still cannot stop anything,...THESE problems are more important than signing Josh Cribbs.
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I love Cribbs but what I'm gonna say is true,
We have to watchout what we pay cribbs, it reflects upon other positions and look at past return men in the NFL 3-4 good years and thier done, Very few every go for more than 3-4 years it's killer on thier bodies, and once one gets a knee problem it's over, thier done, so we have t be careful, I do think we sign Cribbs for 2.5 - 3 mil per year and than trade him away at deadline if were playing poorly and are out.
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Josh Cribbs is sure-footed on the field, but fumbles his salary demands: Bud Shaw's Sunday Sports Spin
By Bud Shaw, The Plain Dealer
January 09, 2010, 10:15PM
Josh Cribbs is reading from a handbook co-authored by players and agents over the years: "How To Alienate The Common Man Without Really Trying."
This isn't going to be easy for Cribbs to pull off because he's such a nice guy, is so popular with fans, plays so hard, and also because people understand he's outperformed his contract.
But apparently he's studying hard. Learning from the masters. He's using all the words that make people roll their eyes at millionaire athletes while they fight over money with billionaire owners.
Cribbs says he feels "disrespected" and that the Browns have "insulted" him. So he cleaned out his locker, approximately 275 days before the next game that matters.
That'll show 'em.
Cribbs and his agent haven't hit the stride of some of the greats who've gone before them -- Alan Meersand comes to mind -- but they appear committed to rolling back his high place in the popularity polls.
Meersand, you probably don't remember, represented former Indians left-handed reliever Jesse Orosco in 1991. After the Indians dealt the unhapppy and underpaid Orosco to Milwaukee, Meersand said this:
"Terry Anderson wasn't the last hostage freed -- it was Jesse Orosco from the bondage of the Cleveland Indians."
You can't teach that.
Cribbs is said to be heading up to ESPN where he'll no doubt make his case in interviews early next week. Overexposure for unhappy millionaires, especially in this economy, is risky business. As we've learned over the years, the more athletes talk about money the more they're apt to say something that makes you want to send them your overdrawn bank statement notice as a reality check.
"Sure NBA players make a lot of money," Patrick Ewing once famously said, "but we spend a lot of money, too."
Good point.
Cribbs isn't making NBA dollars. In an NFL context, he's seriously underpaid. The problem is in taking his complaints out of that context and sharing them with people worried about pink slips in their own work place. What does he want people to do, hold some bake sales on his behalf?
Many years ago, Tigers infielder Lou Whitaker showed up at a player's union meeting in a stretch limo during the strike that year and defended his glitzy entrance by saying, "I'm rich. What am I supposed to do, hide it?"
This is not believed to be an effective approach in garnering sympathy, but then again Whitaker wasn't asking for any. Cribbs seems to be.
Upset with the Browns' lowball of $1.4 million a year, Cribbs agent made it known his client would be cleaning out his locker this past week.
(Fellas, can we talk quietly over here for a second? It's January. Who's gonna notice? Didn't everybody clean out their lockers?)
Cribbs is friends with other athletes and maybe that's the problem. He's confusing us for them.
When NBA commissioner David Stern suggested a NBA dress code, Latrell Sprewell said, "I don't see it happening unless every NBA player is given a stipend to buy clothes."
Of course. How else could they afford it?
Cribbs hasn't hit that low point on the Empathy Meter yet. But, hey, it's early. So early it's silly.
Cribbs, Part II: don't let facts get in the way of a bad strategy.
The Josh Cribbs "No Justice, No Peace" Tour reportedly moves to ESPN Monday where he looks to do "Mike and Mike," "First Take," "Outside the Lines" and "SportsCenter."
Locally, Cribbs did an interview last week during which he was asked about why he's taking his disenchantment public so soon after the season and with new team president Mike Holmgren otherwise occupied keeping a coach and hiring a GM.Because, he said, he'd been "waiting three years" for the Browns to do something.
Cribbs signed a six-year deal. He has three years remaining on it.
I wish Cribbs the best. But mostly I wish for his sake he doesn't run into any math majors on the set of ESPN.
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Locally, Cribbs did an interview last week during which he was asked about why he's taking his disenchantment public so soon after the season and with new team president Mike Holmgren otherwise occupied keeping a coach and hiring a GM.Because, he said, he'd been "waiting three years" for the Browns to do something.
Cribbs signed a six-year deal. He has three years remaining on it.
To the above comments...wow...clearly Cribbs and his agents have consideration for no one but themselves. As I and others have pointed out...Holmgren has been a busy man with other stuff on his plate like deciding to retain a HC and hiring a GM or two.
Cribbs might believe he should be Holmgren's first priority, but he's not. The more Cribbs and his agents yell and scream... and insult and disrespect Holmgren, the further down Holmgren's to do list his contract renegotiation is likely to go.
Cribbs and his team (agents, not the Browns) have a big week scheduled, taking their case national to ESPN and anyone willing to give them face time. My guess is Cribbs and his agents will continue to dig a deeper hole, further insulting Holmgren and the Browns franchise.
Going negative against the team your under contract to for the next 3 years, might not be a good idea...
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I have a suspicion that MH has had some intriguing offers for Cribbs and hasn't committed a big contract until he sees all possibilities.
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And I suspect that if Cribbs makes his circuit of talk shows this weeks and continually bad mouths the Browns it's game over!
Hopefully, we won't need a kick returner 5 or 6 times a game in 2010.
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I'm just guessing here, but it seems to me that pro athletes sometimes lose the common sense lessons in life, once they get into that rarified and exclusive fraternity.
One such clichè: "Don't bite the hand that feeds you."
This is an extremely poor strategy on the part of Team Cribbs. Maybe he was lying to us the entire time about wanting to play in Cleveland, and has wanted out all along. If that was the case, then he's playing this exactly the right way
It's starting to look like it. Right now, it's the only supposition that makes sense.
Just speaking for myself, but I'm really, really tired of the Browns being surrounded by the crazy and bizarre. This "tempest in a teapot" with Josh is just the latest episode that keeps this team looking like a borderline trajic soap opera. It's exhausting. Foolishness seems to stick to us like gum on the soles of our shoes.
Josh... if you read these boards to take the temperature of the average fan, please take note: You were the hottest thing going, but this latest episode is cooling A LOT OF US in our support of you. It's not too late to take a different tack, and keep our lovefest for you alive... if that even matters to you.
Please check yourself. You can still fix this thing, AND get what you want from the Browns.
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Exhausting was an excellent choice of words...
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