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I am not at all worried. Josh Cribbs will get a new contract. The Browns have bigger shoes to fill atm. Once that is done the new GM's first order of buisiness will be to hammer this out.
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Saw the Mike n Mike interview some things stood out for me.
1. Cribbs seemed to be lacking the dissension that comes off from the BOZO articles even now the guy on First n Ten in a promo for their show...coming up Cribbs says HE WILL NOT PLAY AGAIN FOR CLEVELAND...which was the farthest thing from what he said.
2. Cribbs stated it was a Take it or Leave it offer...this I didn't know, I can see it simply for the reason Cribbs has absolutely ZERO LEVERAGE! Zero...
When questioned he started to say "I was to...(told) and then stopped and stated Yes, it was a take it or leave it ...I'm wondering does Cribbs know for sure? or is this simply what he was TOLD by his Agents. Remember the only URGENCY here is on the agents to get it done NOW so they can utilize it for prospects coming up.
3. Urgency...its seemed Cribbs acknowledges that the Browns (MH) has a lot on his table now and he'll have to wait.
4. The Kicker...They asked Cribbs - Are you WILLING TO SIT OUT THE SEASON...Cribbs almost looked like he saw a ghost...he eventually stated...I don't know. I really don't think that part has sunk in. He has been led to believe that he is negotiating in a stance of power and not the reality of it all that the ONLY LEVERAGE HE HAS IS TO SIT OUT THE SEASON...and guess what, once we move on without him...then what? cause 1.4 mil is off the table - he will sit out year 2??? and then 3????
As I have stated...if his agents wanted to do what is right for Cribbs...they would be negotiating to lop off the remainder of the contract...and if need be agree in negotiations lopping off the last season at least. But I won't hold my breath.
I don't think Cribbs realizes what his options are. He has been led to believe that an outpouring of trade offers will come by the dozens for him and the Browns will cave in and give him the money. When asked that question he seemed to not be ready for that variable as his agents haven't really talked about it with him...if so he would answered quickly - Sure I'm ready to sit out! It never occurred to him that is what is ahead for him.
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I don't know what time he appears on the 1st and 10 show but Skip Bayless
is the the king "Bozo" (to steal Eo's phrase)....he's an idiot who dislikes Cleveland so see if he stirs Josh up a bit. Maybe that fat chick will do the interview and we won't have to listen to that momo!
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I get what your saying Milk,,, So 200K went to the agent (who no longer represents him) half went to uncle sam.. that left him with something just around 800k..
Depending on how he's lived his life., he might be able to financially sit for a year, but I bet he won't do it..
I'm now and frankly always have been, convinced that a deal will get done.
It has to. The PR ramifications for both sides are enormous.. either can be hurt by bad press..
Everyone knows the Browns don't really HAVE to do anything.. but they made it clear they want to.. Let it play out and I bet all will be fine...
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Anyone know where I can get one of those Pay Cribbs T-shirts? It looks pretty sweet.
When asked are you going to sit out next season, Cribbs responded "I haven't made up my mind yet".
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His stance softens with every interview!
"I want the fans to know I'm gonna try to get back on the field".
That's a far cry from, "I played my last game as a Brown".
Nationally he's looking real good by his conduct on TV. I think the Browns are finding themselves having to give the guy his fair market value which he wants or risk looking like major doofuses!
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The second intervies is done. Here is my take. The iron will seems to be rusting. Just said he hasn't decided yet if he'll sit out. Can't remember if he has another show too do or not. If he does, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to hear him say he took it rather than left it.
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PAY THE MAN!!!!
There is NO WAY MH and co. don't get this deal done. Cribbs represented the Browns and their fans in the most respectable way possible, not only during the season but on his ESPN interview. I don't know how anyone can't rally around this guy and MH will have failed miserably if Cribbs remains unhappy.
MH has proven he's no dummy throughout his NFL carreer and so far within his short existence with the Browns,....we'll get this done folks. As soon as Heckert is official Cribbs will be the next issue to resolve.
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The second intervies is done. Here is my take. The iron will seems to be rusting. Just said he hasn't decided yet if he'll sit out. Can't remember if he has another show too do or not. If he does, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to hear him say he took it rather than left it.
It makes no sense for Cribbs to hold out and he knows it. He already knows that better (even if just slightly) than 1.4 mil is what his worse case scenario will be,.. not including his SB. He won't walk away from that.
The only thing going here is that his agent said "jump" to the Browns and they laughed. Even though I wish the deal was already done, I can respect the position MH has taken to this point.
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You know what happens if Cribbs "shuts up"?
Nothing. As in "he'll get nothing". So I see no problem with any football player that is actually performing above his contract trying to get a new one.
Actually, it's my belief that part of the reason he's in this mess is because he didn't shut-up earlier in the season and put himself ahead of the team.
Doing it again isn't going to help his cause because this "media storm" (  ) isn't going to make the Browns budge. It's just going to honk them off.
It is pretty simple, but Cribbs is blowing it.
Besides, this issue is more complicated than just a "player who performing above their contract." Signing bonuses aren't rewards for previous accomplishments. They are given for FUTURE performance, a way to pocket some early money for what a player is expected to do. That contract he willingly signed three years ago plays a HUGE role in this, whether Cribbs and his agents like it or not.
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Just seeing the Cribbs interview now on First Take, and it's laughable right out of the gate. 
His very first quote: Quote:
"I'm just going to let my agents handle this. I've said enough."
Yeah...........That's why you're putting your mug in front of the national audience...................talking. 
Now he's kissing the fans' asses.
Crawford opened with the three-years remaining on the contract. Cribbs didn't want any part of that aspect of the equation. All he's talking about is "fair market value."
Sorry Team Cribbs, but that contract IS part of the "fair market value."
How's that $2 million dollars treating you these days? 
This is a mistake on his part.
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You are so off based is not even funny...has Cribbs personally wronged you?
Yeah, Cribbs really put himself infront of the team when he came back from a concussion the next week in a meaningless game. And he really puts himself infront of the fans with all the help he does for the community.
Could Cribbs have handled this situation better? Yeah, most definately. But it's easy for a lot of you guys to be all high-and-mighty behind your computers and criticize the character of other people, but can you say for certain that how you would act when placed in this situation? Cribbs has been nothing but a class act since he's been here, and this situation doesn't change that in slightest. None of us know the whole situation, so who of us can pass judgement? I guess you can...
Some of you need to get off your high horses and quit tearing down one of the few players that's made us proud to be Browns fans these last couple years.
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Cribbs is just a kid, lost right now in this firestorm. He's tweeting to the general public as to what to say and how he did? He's reaching out for advice wherever he can get it and looking for validation he didn't screw it up.
I feel for the kid and hope he gets more money, as has been mentioned in the 3 mil range.
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You are so off based is not even funny...has Cribbs personally wronged you?
Yeah, Cribbs really put himself infront of the team when he came back from a concussion the next week in a meaningless game. And he really puts himself infront of the fans with all the help he does for the community.
Could Cribbs have handled this situation better? Yeah, most definately. But it's easy for a lot of you guys to be all high-and-mighty behind your computers and criticize the character of other people, but can you say for certain that how you would act when placed in this situation? Cribbs has been nothing but a class act since he's been here, and this situation doesn't change that in slightest. None of us know the whole situation, so who of us can pass judgement? I guess you can...
Some of you need to get off your high horses and quit tearing down one of the few players that's made us proud to be Browns fans these last couple years.
If saying how he's going about this is wrong means I'm on a high horse, then giddy up! Obviously from your name, you're not going to be objective in this, so I don't know why I'm arguing, but taking this public is not the way to go. And the timing is ridiculous, too. Why not give the new brass time to at least hang a picture or two in the office before you expect them to just bow down and kiss yours and your agent's rear ends?
I remember the night of my wedding rehearsal dinner my buddy (and I had nothing to do with this  ) asking my wife-to-be what she thought of me heading to camp for some fishing the day after I got back from my honey moon. She simply replied, "It's really not a good time as I have some more pressing things on my mind now." That's how I see this. For crying out loud, give the man some time to evaluate things. If a month or two rolls by and you haven't heard from him, then take some more drastic measures. Doing this now might make Holmgren more likely to make him wait just to show him who's boss.
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1. Cribbs seemed to be lacking the dissension that comes off from the BOZO articles even now the guy on First n Ten in a promo for their show...coming up Cribbs says HE WILL NOT PLAY AGAIN FOR CLEVELAND...which was the farthest thing from what he said.
EO...IMO, I hope Cribbs and his agents realize they may have overdone it (a bunch) when they responded to the latest contract offer supposedly from Holmgren, in the way they did, with comments such as these from Cribbs...
..."unlikely" that he'll play again for the Browns,
..."I did all the playing I'm going to play on this contract,"
..."I ain't doing nothing, I'm not showing my face until it's right."
..."If they're definitely set on that offer, then I'm out of here, no question,"
...it absolutely felt like the last time I'd be setting foot inside the building. I feel like it's over for me in Cleveland."
EO..I would say the comments above are close enough to conclude HE WILL NOT PLAY AGAIN FOR CLEVELAND.
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2. Cribbs stated it was a Take it or Leave it offer...
When someone says that's the final offer or take it or leave it...it's not really their final offer, that's just what they want you to think.
This is just what Cribbs agents want everyone to believe. This is their way of painting Holmgren as the bad guy...not smart, IMO.
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3. Urgency...its seemed Cribbs acknowledges that the Browns (MH) has a lot on his table now and he'll have to wait.
If Cribbs acknowledged that Holmgren has a lot on his table and Cribbs knows he will have to wait...ITS A FIRST!
One of the major reasons I'm disppointed in the way Cribbs and his agents have handled this, is their lack of concern that Holmgren had just taken the job and arrived in Cleveland one day before they got a response.
If Cribbs is now changing his tune, acknowledging that Holmgren might be a bit busy, it's the first time he has done so.
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4. The Kicker...They asked Cribbs - Are you WILLING TO SIT OUT THE SEASON...Cribbs almost looked like he saw a ghost...he eventually stated...I don't know. I really don't think that part has sunk in. He has been led to believe that he is negotiating in a stance of power and...
EO...I don't know why Cribbs looked like a ghost because he said the following to the Plain Dealer on Jan. 7... In the interview with The Plain Dealer, Cribbs said it didn't matter that he's still under contract until 2012.
"I don't have to do anything," Cribbs said. "If I have to sit that whole time, I'll sit. There's no way I'll play another down for the Browns without the new contract.
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As I have stated...if his agents wanted to do what is right for Cribbs...they would be negotiating to lop off the remainder of the contract...and if need be agree in negotiations lopping off the last season at least. But I won't hold my breath.
Cribbs agents have no power to lop off anything. You can call for them to be doing this or that...but they are powerless because Cribbs is already signed for 3 more seasons. It's up to the Browns and always has been, no matter how much Cribbs and his agents go public...
I'm sorry, but I don't see how going public like the schedule below helps Cribbs.
IMO, Cribbs is getting some very bad advice from his agents. If Cribbs is traded away, it will be more for the tactics his agents have employed than the money they are asking for...jmho...mac
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Cribbs is just a kid, lost right now in this firestorm. He's tweeting to the general public as to what to say and how he did? He's reaching out for advice wherever he can get it and looking for validation he didn't screw it up.
I feel for the kid and hope he gets more money, as has been mentioned in the 3 mil range.
That's agree with the $3M Tulsa.
I watched him on First Take and he states he is going to allow his agent to do the talking. mac has posted his appearance schedule. Wth Josh...are you running for Congress next?
I could be wrong, but I think $3M is fair given future expectations. Imo that should be an offense that does use him on occastion, but by no means features him.
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I think most people on here are making valid points;
1. Cribbs played better than what he is making ( by NFL standards )
2. He signed a legal contract, if he doesn't honor it he makes $0.00
3. It's hard for anyone to feel sorry for someone making in ONE year what it will take most 20 years to make!
The one thing I haven't read about is the fact that the Cleveland Browns are a multi-milion dollar business. When players play great they sell multiple products that line the owners pockets; jerseys, tickets, hats , so on and so forth, all things Browns. When it comes down to it Cribbs is worth the 3 to 4 million he is asking for, the team profits off of HIM. The fans like him, and WE ultimately pay everyones salary. So ask yourself this, If you owned the Cleveland Browns and made the money, that the team generates, would YOU pay Cribbs?
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That's a good point,....I think what gets lost, is the fact that he shines, or has shined in the past, because the rest of the team played so weak.
Put him on the Colts and see how many kicks he gets to return, or showcases his Wildcat skills.
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Cribbs is under contract.....so that means that he has no leverage to get anything until that contract is close to being up.....He has no leverage to make any demands..... At this point he looks nothing more than foolish. He thinks that he can gain the hearts and minds of the public for more money. But Josh, Josh my dog, this is a business not a game - the game is what you play on Sunday; on Monday it becomes a business again... What makes matters even worse is Josh isnt even a Holmgren pick he has no alligance to him or anyone else on this team. The kid is putting himself in a bad spot ecspecially with a new management. He has proven that he cant play WR not sure if RB is in his furture so I cant see paying him much more than 2 mil a year for returning kicks, wildcat and gunner duties. Devon Hester at least has carved out a WR spot to get his money...  The key is how many plays per game is he going to play? And how much impact does\will he have on those plays
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He has proven that he cant play WR not sure if RB is in his furture so I cant see paying him much more than 2 mil a year for returning kicks, wildcat and gunner duties. Devon Hester at least has carved out a WR spot to get his money...
The key is how many plays per game is he going to play? And how much impact does\will he have on those plays
The average number of kick returns in the NFL is about 60... so that's 3.75 per game.
The average number of punt returns in the NFL is about 36... so that's 2.25 per game.
Let's assume that Cribbs runs 4 wildcat plays per game. (which is fairly consistent with what he got this year)
Let's assume that Cribbs catches 1 pass per game. (which is fairly consistent with what he got this year)
That's 11 touchs per game... How many WRs get 11 touchs per game consistently?
Cribbs scored a respectable 6 touchdowns.... with really good WRs being about 10 and the leaders being at 13...
So the whole thing is debatable... Cribbs gets the ball in his hands more than any receiver, he directly impacts at least 20-25 plays per game if you include his role as gunner... and all of this does NOT include the great field position we get on a regular basis simply because teams do NOT want to kick to him... or how effective his fakes are at holding LBs when we fake the reverse...
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That's 11 touchs per game... How many WRs get 11 touchs per game consistently?
Braylon Edwards would get about 11 touches every time the ball was thrown to him ... as it rattled around his hands, arms and body. 
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j/c from holmgren today: Quote:
On Josh Cribbs: "I said it the other day, we would like Josh here, certainly. He's a part of the Browns and a wonderful player for us. He's got three years left on his current contract. It's almost unprecedented to change that in this business. What we've tried to do is absolutely reward him for what he's done. We have a difference of opinion. Everybody I think wants this to work out. We will continue to have dialogue if possible. We're looking at ways to change wht's going on with Josh and the offer. We're getting new people in here. I'm new. I'm still hopeful with everyone's satisfaction we can work that out. That take it or leave it stuff, I think that went out a long time ago. The one thing you have to try to avoid is negotiating against yourself. My hope is we can get this to a win-win situation. There's light at the end of the tunnel, hopefully."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/01/cleveland_browns_president_mik.html
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Cribbs used the term "As far as I know" when asked whether the "final offer" had been Holmgren approved.
He didn't seem too confident that was the case.
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yea but his agent did say it was a final offer and that sparked this whole "was it 'take it or leave it' or not" thing between some posters here.
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I understand that logic and in most cases I agree but my thing is all of that could have negotiated either last contract or this year but only.....QUIETLY because he has no leverage what so ever.....so why make something public that you have no leverage on...
I remember he tried that last year before or during camp (cant remember)...and had to tuck his tail between his leg cause he had no leverage and go play
You would think he would have learned....
MH and TH should let him sweat a little bit. Lets not forget this new FO has to set the tone to the entire team\league of what the business protocol is and how they handle contracts, players, draft everything.....Should be interesting how the new FO handles this
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On Josh Cribbs: "I said it the other day, we would like Josh here, certainly. He's a part of the Browns and a wonderful player for us. He's got three years left on his current contract. It's almost unprecedented to change that in this business. What we've tried to do is absolutely reward him for what he's done. We have a difference of opinion. Everybody I think wants this to work out. We will continue to have dialogue if possible. We're looking at ways to change wht's going on with Josh and the offer. We're getting new people in here. I'm new. I'm still hopeful with everyone's satisfaction we can work that out. That take it or leave it stuff, I think that went out a long time ago. The one thing you have to try to avoid is negotiating against yourself. My hope is we can get this to a win-win situation. There's light at the end of the tunnel, hopefully."
sounds like that was pre-holmgren.
dong...If this is true, that Holmgren was not the one responsible for the "take it or leave it" comment....it appears that Josh and his agents have responded to an old offer from someone other than Holmgren.
Hopefully, we can get some clarification on the entire sequence of events.
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exactly. slightly version from theobr.com: Quote:
(On if was not a ‘take it or leave it’ offer made to Cribbs)- “That take it or leave it stuff, I think that went out a long time ago. I’m not sure you ever say that. The one thing that I think you have to try and avoid is negotiating against yourself. Any sort of negation is, in my opinion, a two way street. My hope is that we can get this to a win-win situation. Yes, I think there’s a chance. There’s light at the end of the tunnel hopefully.”
either way, it sounds more like a ploy from the agents than anything else.
i do think, though, there were a lot of people eager to jump on cribbs' side with this little bit but, with added clarity, we see that cribbs' side is...well...one-sided.
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If it were up to me, the ONLY way I give more than the last offer (reportedly 233% of the contract he was locked-in to) is if and AFTER he fired his agent.
600K X 233% = 1,398,000
What precedent is being sent to every player on any Browns team, when an agent with absolutely ZERO leverage gets the team to more than double a guy's salary when said guy has (3) years left on a contract?
Hey...wait a minute...they ALREADY offerred to more than double his locked-in salary...but that was an insult. An insult? Hello?
The Browns CANNOT bow down to the demands of Cribbs' dumb____ of an agent in this case. They simply cannot.
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To me it's not about the percentage of increase over his current salary but more about getting paid what he is worth by NFL standards. If you were making $2 an hour and they increased it to $6 it would tripple your pay, but I'm betting you're worth a lot more than that.
I understand too that he is already under a contract. But common sense says he is surely much more valuable to the team and by NFL standards than his contract stipulates. When he signed that contract no one knew he would be this good and put up these kinds of numbers or become historical at his position. How much better would he have had to do to break the "percentage of increase" or the "existing contract" line of thinking and allow common sense to prevail?
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I certainly see that side of the argument.
But the problem is - and will remain - in determining what is his value compared to others like him.
Granted...there aren't any exactly like him...but earlier in this thread is a breakdown of other KR/PR "studs". He does more than most of those guys and had he accepted the pay increase he would be getting paid more than all those guys except Sproles - who is a legit RB.
(Disclaimer: I am going on the assumption that those numbers were correct...or correct enough.)
His agent has ZERO leverage and is playing his cards as if Cribbs is a franchise QB at the end of a contract and after months of negotiations...his timing has been an insult to the Browns organization...the Browns offerred to more than doubled Cribbs' pay when they could have chosen to do nothing.
I think it would be a future financial/cap disaster to cave in to any further "demand" for more money than what has already, graciously been offerred.
At this point, if we could get an early #2 or better for Cribbs, I would trade him in a second. I think the Browns were more-than-fair with this offer. (assuming the reports are reasonably accurate.)
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Here is where I have a problem...can we really replace Cribbs with an unproven 2nd rounder? There is risk there, a ton of it. Versus a proven commodity that is underpaid. And we are just learning how to use him where he can produce even more.
Had he not been patient with this process, has WE as an organization not opened the door for a renegotiation, he'd be in the wrong. But we let the door open and now we have to pay the man.
Yes, we are sending a message, the right one, we take care of our own who produce. Will it expose us to the risk that we can be bullied into new contracts? Not really considering Winslow started playing those games and we shipped him out. Edwards started whining and we shipped him out too. We did the same with Bodden. There are years of proof that we can't be bullied.
We can't afford, on a team with few playmakers, ship off a player that has been absolutely selfless on the field. He has done EVERYTHING we've asked him to do and excelled at every bit of it other than establishing himself as a receiver. We can't afford to do this when we know we can't replace him for sure. Now, if we can trade Cribbs and a third round pick for Anq Boldin, that's another matter because we know we are getting production back for that pick. But then, we have to pay Boldin and a TON more than what we would have to pay Cribbs AND we have to replace him with a kick returner.
Take into account that Cribbs played a valuable role in virtually every one of our wins and also kept us in games we lost. He has a ton of value.
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Here is where I have a problem...can we really replace Cribbs with an unproven 2nd rounder? There is risk there, a ton of it. Versus a proven commodity that is underpaid. And we are just learning how to use him where he can produce even more.
An early second rounder would be one of 11 offensive or 11 defensive starters. Cribbs is not one of those 22 players. So yes...we can replace him with an early 2nd...just at a different position of even-more-dire need.
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Had he not been patient with this process, has WE as an organization not opened the door for a renegotiation, he'd be in the wrong. But we let the door open and now we have to pay the man.
We tried to more than double the man's salary to make him possibly THE highest paid true STer in the league...and he viewed it as an insult.
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Yes, we are sending a message, the right one, we take care of our own who produce. Will it expose us to the risk that we can be bullied into new contracts?
The new Browns have rarely, if ever, been cheap with the dollar when it was warranted. They are trying to take care of the best STer in the league.
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Not really considering Winslow started playing those games and we shipped him out. Edwards started whining and we shipped him out too. We did the same with Bodden. There are years of proof that we can't be bullied.
Those guys all had leverage and were each one of the aforementioned starting 22. Cribbs is doing the same thing they all did...he should be shipped out just like they were. We replaced Winslow, Edwards, Bodden...and we would also replace Cribbs.
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We can't afford, on a team with few playmakers, ship off a player that has been absolutely selfless on the field. He has done EVERYTHING we've asked him to do and excelled at every bit of it other than establishing himself as a receiver. We can't afford to do this when we know we can't replace him for sure.
Cribbs is VERY replaceable...especially if we get a starter with the pick we get in return. Surely Cowboy fans thought the same thing when they traded Herschel Walker.
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Now, if we can trade Cribbs and a third round pick for Anq Boldin, that's another matter because we know we are getting production back for that pick. But then, we have to pay Boldin and a TON more than what we would have to pay Cribbs AND we have to replace him with a kick returner.
Yes...we would have to pay a near-#1 receiver more $$$ than we would have to pay Cribbs. Kick returner? No problem.
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Take into account that Cribbs played a valuable role in virtually every one of our wins and also kept us in games we lost. He has a ton of value.
Agreed. I love the guy and want him to be a Brown forever. However, given the predicament he put himself in and the very generous (imo) offer he received from the Browns, all this talk about Pay.The.Man is crap.
We are trying to Pay.The.Man...we offerred to double his salary and make him (possibly/likely) THE highest paid true-STer in the league...with a lockout looming...when we had ALL the leverage.
He needs to take what we offerred and get on with being him...or we need to trade him to the highest bidder.
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Here is where I have a problem...can we really replace Cribbs with an unproven 2nd rounder? There is risk there, a ton of it. Versus a proven commodity that is underpaid. And we are just learning how to use him where he can produce even more.
An early second rounder would be one of 11 offensive or 11 defensive starters. Cribbs is not one of those 22 players. So yes...we can replace him with an early 2nd...just at a different position of even-more-dire need.
I believe we already have a capable replacement in Lawson, and he might still slide into a DB spot. Save that pick,...save a roster spot.
Don't get me wrong,...saving Cribbs saves, like maybe, four (?) roster spots,...and that is the reason his "value" is what's actually undeterminable, but not necessarily unnegotiable. $2.5 - 3 mil,...good for me.
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An early second rounder would be one of 11 offensive or 11 defensive starters. Cribbs is not one of those 22 players. So yes...we can replace him with an early 2nd...just at a different position of even-more-dire need.
Like Brian Robiskie or MoMass or David Veikune or Chaun Thompson or Quincy Morgan or Dennis Northcutt or Andre Davis or Rahim Abdullah or even D'Qwell Jackson? If you could assure me we'd get an Eric Wright or a Kevin Johnson I could get over it, but the chances are pretty low that you're going to sniff the production with that pick that we get from Cribbs, not to mention the leadership and effort.
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j/c After hearing MH presser I beleive that if Josh and Mike alone had a heart to heart behind closed doors that a deal would be done. I can see it now. The media eagerly awaiting outside MH's office. The two emerge laughing and patting each other on the back as if they're still all alone and unaware of the media mob right in front of them. Mike hesitates for a minute as he re-focuses his attention to the media and says with a smile. "Josh is gonna be a Cleveland Brown for a long time" He then looks back at Josh ,.. his smile get's bigger and says half laughingly "as long as he does something about that hair!" They both then break out into uncontrollable laughter.
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Nah,...but that hair is his mantra !
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I just finally got a chance to listen to Josh on ESPN from yesterday,, Here is a link http://www.youtube.com/v/Uau-vuh7ky4IDK,, I think he's a Brown for the rest of his career.. at least the meaningful part of it.
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Thanks my friend,...Would defintely like to see more Browns run that same route -- here forever -- Schafrath, Brown, Groza, etc. etc.
Right now, I would bet on Joe Thomas being "next" in that regard.
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An early second rounder would be one of 11 offensive or 11 defensive starters. Cribbs is not one of those 22 players. So yes...we can replace him with an early 2nd...just at a different position of even-more-dire need.
Like Brian Robiskie or MoMass or David Veikune or Chaun Thompson or Quincy Morgan or Dennis Northcutt or Andre Davis or Rahim Abdullah or even Kevin Johnson? If you could assure me we'd get an Eric Wright or a D'Qwell Jackson I could get over it, but the chances are pretty low that you're going to sniff the production with that pick that we get from Cribbs, not to mention the leadership and effort.
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