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Stallworth 30 days away from reinstatement Posted by Mike Florio on January 8, 2010 10:27 PM ET Lost in the recent upheaval in the Cleveland front office -- and near upheaval in the team's coaching staff -- is the fact that a former member of the starting offense soon will be eligible to rejoin the team. Commissioner Roger Goodell suspended receiver Donte' Stallworth for the entire 2009 season after Stallworth pleaded guilty to felony DUI manslaughter last year. Stallworth will be reinstated after completion of the Super Bowl on February 7, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello recently confirmed. Whether the Browns want Stallworth remains to be seen. He was signed by one head coach and two General Managers ago. Still, his salary for 2010 is only $1.5 million, and with Braylon Edwards gone there's a chance that the team will decide to give Stallworth another chance. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/08/stallworth-30-days-away-from-reinstatement/It's appearing that Heckert's coming to town...(GO DALLAS)...He had Stallworth in Philly for 1 year and he was productive...We have no wideouts worth didly beyond Masa...At 1.5M u gotta consider it... 2006 38 for 725 5TD 19YPC AVg...30 First Downs...
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absolutely bring him back  Hopefully he has been lifting, jogging and catching passes. and staying away from Leon
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I say we pass on this guy... He didn't do much for the Browns even when he did get the opportunity.
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We paid him a 4.5 million roster bonus and didn't release him. For 1.5 million more, we should see if we can get some of that investment back on the field from him. It would be silly to just cut him at this point.
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not a big fan of his, but at 1.5 million, it can't hurt to bring him in and see if he's got any game left... that is short money for someone that could be helpful.....
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IIRC, The guy was absolutely stand up during the whole terrible death of that man. He did his time, and didn;t make excuses. I can respect that. Hopefully he's learned and grown from the experience. Of course, he's also been out for an entire year, so who knows what kind of shape he's in?
They could so either way on this one and I wouldn;t object, but it would be nice to see Stallworth turn things around.
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The guy gets injured just by waking up in the morning but he'll probably get another chance, considering his low salary.
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The guy would have been our #1 had he been here this year. We cant judge him on his last year.....No ONE caught anything in that system that year. He has game. We should and prolly will give him a chance next year. In the least he would be opposite a #1 that we draft or bring in. That and Masso would be a nice 3 on the field. We can win with that. We HAVE won with less!!!! JMO
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i think this is a no brainer- at 1.5 million you bring him in. the browns would have an entire off season, OTA's and preseason to get him into shape. And last i checked, the WR's need some help and i think he can do that.
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I agree that for that price and for the possibility of seeing him perform on the field, we hold onto him for this year. He could save us having to target that need in the draft allowing us to improve our team at another position.
We aren't going to find someone more talented in the 3-7th rounds.
He made a terrible mistake and I do believe he handled it the best anyone could. Those who have vilified him on here completely overlook the fact that his mistake could have been made by 90% of us. It's not like he was drunk and hit a guy that wasn't in his path...the guy ran out in front of him.
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It's kind of sad that we are all in agreement that at 1.5 mill it would be worth it to bring him back. However all management can offer Josh Cribbs is 1.4 mill? I know that they play differant positions and WR's make more than special teamers but it shows how low those figures are compared to the rest of the NFL.
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I wonder how many hammy's he pulled while he was off?
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IIRC, The guy was absolutely stand up during the whole terrible death of that man. He did his time, and didn;t make excuses. I can respect that. Hopefully he's learned and grown from the experience. Of course, he's also been out for an entire year, so who knows what kind of shape he's in?
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Being honest here, I completely forgot about Stallworth until seeing this thread lol.
I'd say why not to keeping him around but if he's shown the door, I'm not going to lose any sleep.
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It's kind of sad that we are all in agreement that at 1.5 mill it would be worth it to bring him back. However all management can offer Josh Cribbs is 1.4 mill? I know that they play differant positions and WR's make more than special teamers but it shows how low those figures are compared to the rest of the NFL.
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Screw you MyDawgs ... I wanted to post this. Was salivating at the mouth to get this out, and you beat me to it. You suck. 
Some people are ok with Cribbs making only 1.4m (or less) after all that he's done and accomplished and being only 26 years old. Stallworth has done nothing in Cleveland or his career that can come close to touching Cribbs. Yet people are ok with paying him 1.5m. 
This is the problem with looking at things in black and white ... he's only a special teamer ... he's not a skill player ... it's a slap in the face of common sense. Use your brains people.
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If the Browns go with the offensive style we all think they'll go with (WCO or modified-WCO), then they will need receivers that can get some YAC. That is badly lacking right now. So if by keeping Stallworth they can get away with taking maybe one WR in the draft (Jordan Shipley - 4th or 5th rd?), it would allow them to concentrate on other areas of need. Win-win, imo.
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I'm sure he's eager to get his career back on track. - Which means he'll give us everything he's got.
Hopefully Holmgren lets Mangini test Stallworth a little bit (route running, effort, etc.) and then makes his decision.
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I'm sure he's eager to get his career back on track. - Which means he'll give us everything he's got.
Hopefully Holmgren lets Mangini test Stallworth a little bit (route running, effort, etc.) and then makes his decision.
I'm fairly certain that will happen.
Like someone else said - I totally forget about this guy until this thread. I honestly didn't think of him a single time after the season started. I need to work on my memory skills. (work on memory skills.....or quit drinking......work on memory, or quit drinking......work on memory......................dang, just got up to get a beer and forgot what I was working on)
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when this first went down I was all for tossing him, but he was in fact honest and took full blame for his actions....me made a poor choice and paid his time and debt......and with the shape our WR's are in right now we sure could use him.....but I just dont know if Holmgren will want a character with that sort of black eye on his team!
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We paid him a 4.5 million roster bonus and didn't release him. For 1.5 million more, we should see if we can get some of that investment back on the field from him. It would be silly to just cut him at this point.
Absolutely.
Besides, for that kind of money we're getting a veteran receiver who can put Cribbs back on the bench where he belongs.
As inexperienced as our receiving corp is it'd be dumb to not keep Stallworth.
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We paid him a 4.5 million roster bonus and didn't release him. For 1.5 million more, we should see if we can get some of that investment back on the field from him. It would be silly to just cut him at this point.
Absolutely.
Besides, for that kind of money we're getting a veteran receiver who can put Cribbs back on the bench where he belongs.
As inexperienced as our receiving corp is it'd be dumb to not keep Stallworth.
You do realize that Cribbs is more of a threat just by being on the field than Stallworth will be at WR? Teams won't be game planning around Donte but they know where Cribbs is at all times on the field. People that keep trying to imply that Cribbs is simply a special teamer that is a terrible WR are missing out on the big picture of what he means to this team and the troubles he causes to defenses. He can do a little at everything and he's great at some of it. He's on his way into Canton and he's still only 26 years old!!!
However the same people not seeing it this way would rather pay Donte Stallworth (with his background and injury issues) 1.5 mil (which is more than what they offered Cribbs) than lock up this future HOFer in his prime with contract that is fair market value? Stallworth could care less about the Browns, Cribbs wants to be here.
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Don't worry. You didn't bring Cribbs' name up first. I did. You're safe. 
As a route runner and pass-catcher, Cribbs doesn't belong on the field. Teams squeeze the defense down towards the LOS because they know Cribbs can't beat the vast majority of NFL DB's. Yeah, he can run the end around. Big deal. Maybe he can run a WR-screen. He isn't going to make defensive coordinators scheme for him the way they would a Stallworth.
Just because Cribbs can do some things doesn't mean he's a fit to play a regular position. This past year showed us that.
20 catches for a pathetic 135 yards. That's 6.8 yards per catch.
Just how pathetic is that?
He averaged 6.9 YPC rushing the ball. 
Defenses will know where he is, but he doesn't scare anyone as a receiver. They won't care if he's out there. He isn't a threat unless he's in the backfield running the wildcat. Since this is about his receiving ability, or more appropriately the lack there-of, we're FAR better off with Stallworth out there. He's a receiver defenses will plan for. Cribbs as a receiver is something no defense cares about.
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Don't worry. You didn't bring Cribbs' name up first. I did. You're safe.
As a route runner and pass-catcher, Cribbs doesn't belong on the field. Teams squeeze the defense down towards the LOS because they know Cribbs can't beat the vast majority of NFL DB's. Yeah, he can run the end around. Big deal. Maybe he can run a WR-screen. He isn't going to make defensive coordinators scheme for him the way they would a Stallworth.
Just because Cribbs can do some things doesn't mean he's a fit to play a regular position. This past year showed us that.
20 catches for a pathetic 135 yards. That's 6.8 yards per catch.
Just how pathetic is that?
He averaged 6.9 YPC rushing the ball.
Defenses will know where he is, but he doesn't scare anyone as a receiver. They won't care if he's out there. He isn't a threat unless he's in the backfield running the wildcat. Since this is about his receiving ability, or more appropriately the lack there-of, we're FAR better off with Stallworth out there. He's a receiver defenses will plan for. Cribbs as a receiver is something no defense cares about.
That's an interesting opinion but I disagree 100%.
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There has never been a D-coordinator in the NFL that has had to design defensive schemes to stop Donte Stallworth.
Look, Toad, we all know you hate Cribbs doing anything besides returning kickoffs, but to intimate that Stallworth brings infinitely more offensive threat to the table than Cribbs does (which can be your only implication, as you continue to maintain that Cribbs has absolutely zero offensive value whatsoever) is completely laughable and doesn't do anything but reveal an obvious bias.
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I 100% agree. Cribbs has no business on the field unless it is special teams or the wild cat. He is not a reciever or a Q.B. and eventually teams will realize that all he can do in the wild cat is run. And when they do , it will not be very successful.
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Look, Toad, we all know you hate Cribbs doing anything besides returning kickoffs
Show me where I said I dislike him in the Wildcat.
Please, enlighten me, since "you all know" it.
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Show me where I said that.
Now go back and read what I said about Cribbs the receiver. I won't repeat it for your benefit.
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Stallworth could immediately step in to be our #2 or slot receiver (depending on if we pick up a #1 via FA or draft). As was stated above, if we are running some version of a WCO with Brady-boy at the helm we are going to need lots of WR help.
I just ran some quick #s for WR salaries in 2009 from USA Today. There were 196 WR's on record for the season. (Admittedly don't know how reliable USA Today's numbers are but it's a good comparison point nonetheless)
Average base salary = $1.15 M
Average base salary of top 10% of earners = $2.23 M
Average total salary (including bonuses) = $1.80 M
Average total salary of top 10% = $4.08 M
Now I don't know if the reported $1.5 M salary for Stallworth is his base or total but either way you slice it, it's either slightly above or slightly below league average. I'll pay league average to get a starting WR on a WR-starved football team any day. The caveat to all of this is that he's moved on from his past and grown as a human being. I don't care if he's making league minimum, I don't want him if he's going to be a headcase or distraction.
As for the debate as to why it makes sense to pay Stallworth $1.5 and only offer Cribbs $1.4...well, Cribbs isn't a starting caliber WR. He's the best return man in the history of the NFL (arguably) and a 5-10 play a game gimmick guy in the wildcat. Yes he's also our best gunner on kick coverage but he's not gonna get paid for that. Those guys are ALL league min, 1 year contract guys. The fact that he does it so well wins him awesome points, but not dollar bills b/c we can always go sign another Blake Costanzo or Nick Sorensen of the world.
As for the "best" kick returners in the NFL? 11 guys had over 1000 yards in kick returns this year. Their total salaries you ask?
Danny Amendola - Rams - $0.32 M
Josh Cribbs - Browns - $0.645 M
Stefan Logan - Steelers - $0.315 M
Darren Sproles - Chargers - $6.627 M
Ted Ginn - Dolphins - $0.728 M
Domenik Hixon - Giants - $0.536 M
LaRod Stephens-Howling - Cardinals - $0.344 M
Eric Weems - Falcons - $0.392 M
Percy Harvin - Vikings - $1.04 M
Courtney Roby - Saints - $0.535 M
Fred Jackson - Bills - $2.253 M
Average total salary = $1.25 M (skewed HEAVILY by Sproles), without him it's $0.7 M. But fine, Cribbs is THE BEST...so let's pay him like the best. Top 10% from that list would require $3 M in total salary per season. Mind you that's top 10% of the top 11 returners...so we're talking top 1% overall here. Throw in the fact that he's a gimmick guy on the wildcat and returns punts (add on a league min salary for that) and I think a total package of between $3-3.5 M per season would more than properly compensate Cribbs for all his talent, hard work and production.
So..if you're the Browns, and you're NEGOTIATING a new contract and you'd like to end up with an offer in the 3-3.5 range. Where do you make your FIRST offer? Cribbs wants 6. We want 3. Start at 1.4 and meet in the middle. Sounds like PERFECT negotiating to me. All that while definitely saying yes to the 1.5 for Stallworth assuming he's turned around.
It's not rocket science people.
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Your continued insistance that he is "just a special teamer" and nothing more.
Your statement that his only added value is "3.5 touches running the ball per game."
Your quote in this thread saying that if Stallworth plays then it puts Cribbs back on the bench where he belongs. You can spin it all you want trying to imply that you meant only in a receiving capacity, but your previous statements regarding what you feel are his contributions to the team added to the fact that your posting is rarely, if ever, ambiguous in its meaning, indicates otherwise.
Add in that you keep stating as fact that his touches per game will go down, when the truth is you have no idea how he will be used as a part of the offense going forward.
And yeah, anyone who's read any of your posts in any thread regarding Cribbs and his contract should have a very good idea of exactly what you feel his worth to the Browns is. But you can continue to play that old CoachB game of making implications and then asking for direct quotes and "show me where I said that"s. It's an easy one to win, but even easier to see through.
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Great work.
Now factor in it's only the 3rd year of a 6-year deal, which was NOT his rookie contract. That brings it down somewhat. Say.......'bout $3 million per? 
Taking that a step further, I wouldn't extend his contract. I'd just add it to his current deal and see what he becomes in three years.
Unless of course his agents demand another new contract 
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Agreed. I'd do 3 years / $10 M with incentives up to $12 or 4 years / $12 M with incentives up to $15.
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I think his ceiling should be $3 million+incentives+the small bonuses per season on the remaining three years of the contract he agreed to before. He needs to be held accountable for the previous contract. Tearing it up amounts to a do-over, and I don't think he deserves that. If, in two seasons, he's still going strong, extend the deal.
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Uhhh, are we still talking about Stallworth here?
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Sadly, Cribbs is a vital part of the conversation because some view him as a receiver while others don't. If the thread wanders off to another path, it's no big deal. We have 10 threads dedicated to the FO
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Just replying to the poster who claimed it was crazy that people could be on board paying Stallworth 1.5 a year to come back but yet we "only" offered Cribbs 1.4. I think the two are related...but I'll keep my Cribbs comments to the other thread from here on out. I don't want to suffer the wrath of Michelle! 
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Some people are ok with Cribbs making only 1.4m (or less) after all that he's done and accomplished and being only 26 years old. Stallworth has done nothing in Cleveland or his career that can come close to touching Cribbs. Yet people are ok with paying him 1.5m.
This is the problem with looking at things in black and white ... he's only a special teamer ... he's not a skill player ... it's a slap in the face of common sense. Use your brains people.
The difference is Stallworth was a free agent and they negotiated that number. Cribbs is not even close to being a free agent. The Browns would be looking at paying him market value for his services if he was a free agent. You can not overlook what being a free agent means. He is signed for 3 more years. The Browns will offer a raise, but they shouldn't have to give him market value until they have to.
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LOL toad... This is a Stahlworth thread and you just had to take another shot at JC... HIGHJACKER! 
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Stallworth's Stats Link may be easier to read http://www.nfl.com/players/donte'stallworth/profile?id=STA280100Career Stats Season Team Receiving Rushing Fumbles G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost 2008 Cleveland Browns 11 7 17 170 10.0 19 1 1 -4 -4.0 -4 0 -- -- 2007 New England Patriots 16 9 46 697 15.2 69T 3 1 12 12.0 12 0 -- -- 2006 Philadelphia Eagles 12 11 38 725 19.1 84T 5 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 2005 New Orleans Saints 16 13 70 945 13.5 43 7 2 2 1.0 3 0 1 1 2004 New Orleans Saints 16 10 58 767 13.2 45 5 6 37 6.2 26 0 -- -- 2003 New Orleans Saints 11 3 25 485 19.4 76T 3 1 3 3.0 3 0 3 1 2002 New Orleans Saints 13 7 42 594 14.1 57T 8 2 2 1.0 4 0 -- -- TOTAL 296 4,383 14.8 84 32 13 52 4.0 26 0 4 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are Stallworth's stats. With the exception of his one season with us he had some decent years.
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Oh Gosh I can't believe he is not gone yet! Booo!
I hate this guy as a Browns player. HE CAN'T PLAY FOOTBALL!
Why didn't they release him when he was UNPRODUCTIVE for an ENTIRE YEAR. Completely unrelated to the off field issue, Stalworth was INVISIBLE, think about it, INVISIBLE as a #2 receiver for almost an ENTIRE YEAR!
He didn't make a good play, He didn't make a bad play, He didn't make a play with a penalty, He didn't make a play where he was overthrown to, He didn't throw a block, , He didn't miss a block.
I've not at any time seen a player who apparently was in the lineup at the start of games be so totally invisible during the course of games, for multiple games, even the entire year.
Stalworth is about as good in my opinion as Jake Allen WR, was for the Browns in 2009!
ONLY IF YOU ARE TRYING TO LOSE! do you retain this guy one more day!
Why wasn't he cut BEFORE the accident? I felt the accident led to him not getting cut because the organization didn't want it to look like it was a factor in releaseing him.
Not only Derek Anderson, but ANY back up quarterback in the entire NFL is ALREADY twice the threat at wide reciever, as the invisible man. I'd be happier if the Browns cut Stalworth than if the Steelers cut Rothlisburger, and I hate the steelers.
I don't hate Stalworth, I just hate the idea of Stalworth being a Cleveland Brown and doing Nothing.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Reinstatement...Keep Him???
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