DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Stallworth 30 Days to Reinstatement...Keep Him???

Alright just saw it, his stats listed just above my last post.

Now, is there anyone ( you know except "big uglies" OL, and DL) anyone in the NFL including kickers, linebackers, punters, quarterbacks, runningbacks, safeties, cornerbacks, and special teamers.

Is there anyone who would be the #2 receiver for 11 games with 7 starts and could not get 17 catches with a 10 yard average.

Cut the guy, practice squad, bench him, whatever just don't let one more game with him as the #2 or #3 or #1 receiver in the lineup happen.

He had 1 touchdown. Tim Carter had 1 touchdown in 2007 and Tim Carter was very fast and had targets way downfield and was dynamic.
Bring back Tim Carter, what happened to him?
Does this team want to win?

Donte Stallworth is not the savior. Donte Stallworth isn't an elite WR. Take away his horrible year with us (yes it was really bad) and Donte Stallworth IS worth a league-average contract to be a #2 or #3 option on a WR-starved team.

If we had legitimate options at the position already it wouldn't even be a discussion. As it stands our starting WR consists of a kick returner, a backup safety, two rookies and a slot guy. We need any kind of help there we can get...and when you get it on the cheap for a guy with some experience and has shown he CAN produce in the past, you'd be stupid to not at least give him the opportunity. If he does nothing with it again, then we cut or trade him. Not a huge loss.

Put it another way. Even if he "only" gets 15-20 catches next year, that's more production than you're likely to get from a mid to late round draft pick (and would have been in the top 4 or 5 in catches on our team last year). I'd rather give him a chance to prove his problems are behind him and his year with Cleveland was the abnormality and not the norm than to either spend big $$ on a FA or waste a top draft pick on ANOTHER WR. We need to save all those top draft picks for defense and the offensive line that we possibly can.

Bring in a free agent like Brian Finneran, Bring back Syndric Steptoe who is an original Brown though not great, Find one player in April and find an offense who targets the wide outs. Get a coach and quarterback who can use the two draftpicks from last year. I don't see how Stalworth can help, if you bring him back you are probably just going to pay for nothing. At least as far as production during games.

So you're telling me your solution is fire Mangini, draft a QB and make Syndric Steptoe a starter (he's still on the team). Alllllright.

what? There are alot of solutions. #1 would be have never been get rid of Edwards who had 16 touchdowns in 07, don't part with both of the only two draft selections of Rucker, and Bell,
Going forward in the future, Robiskie, Massaquoi, Steptoe, and a free agent like Finneran, and or players who could be drafted, make more of a threat than involving Staworth who I've commented on.

Keep him, just for practice maybe. Might shine in a new offense; maybe he has seen the light if he has gas left. If not, might be an interesting "extra" trading chip. Mikey can say!

Pay cut... that or let him go. I don't see the team keeping him here even at what he makes. They'll find someone this off season, either that or they'll draft someone.

I would definitely keep him.

I think that his experience this past year is amazing. I think that its the type of experience that can change someone's life and make them think of life in a whole new perspective.

I think that the lesson he learned, and the way he had to learn it could be an invaluable asset when trying to build a mature, and professional locker room.

Here's a football player who was faced with an experience that could possibly push him to play harder. He might have come out of this with a renewed effort to be a better person and player.

And he could provide a potent reminder in the locker room about how decisions affect us, while also providing guidance to younger players.

All depends on what Dante learned from all this, and how he is carrying on with his life.

Whether the Browns want Stallworth remains to be seen. He was signed by one head coach and two General Managers ago. Still, his salary for 2010 is only $1.5 million, and with Braylon Edwards gone there's a chance that the team will decide to give Stallworth another chance.



At 1.5 it might be considered but in actuality he might not even be worth that..plus having to play with that death on his mind might distract him..I'd rather get a real productive WR in here..even when Stallworthless was thrown to he wasn't consistant,plus he's too freaking injury-prone..how many games would he watching from the sideline because he pulled this muscle or strained this joint?
Naaaaaawwww..don't want him.

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I'm hearing that after the Super Bowl, commissioner Roger Goodell will reinstate disgraced wide receiver Donte' Stallworth so that he'll be able to sign with any NFL team in 2010. Stallworth will be 29 this offseason and is still under contract with the Browns. Should Cleveland cut him, there's no guarantee he'll get a job in the league, though he seems to have turned the corner after his DUI manslaughter conviction in March led to the widely decried month's jail sentence plus probation -- plus a huge settlement (thought to be between $3 million and $5 million) with the family of the victim he ran over, Mario Reyes, on a Miami causeway early in the morning of March 14 last year.

Goodell recently met with Stallworth for two hours, and he came away impressed that Stallworth would devote time for the foreseeable future to anti-drunk-driving causes. Living in south Florida, Stallworth is coaching kids part-time and working out seriously to try to get in the kind of shape that would convince a team to give the well-traveled and chastened receiver one more shot.

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Peter King

I just saw that Stallworth donated money to Haiti (I know he isn't the only one). This proves he is a good guy

If the Browns think he can help them then he should play.

I'm not aganist 2nd chances, everybody screws up from time to time, thats life, my only problem is his was self inflicted and killed another person, so for us to offer a second chance to him, Holgram & Mangini needs to sit down with him and spell out every step, what is expected and what it is gonna be like, no get a check and end up on IR or sitting out nooooo...no play no pay, were here to win games, not baby sit a BE wanna be.

Basiclly our way or the highway...

j/c

imo, stallworth paid his debt. he can do whatever he wants. right now, it's only whether stallworth, the football player, holds any value for us. my initial reaction would be that he doesn't and chances are, he could be more of a detriment. looking back at 08, we had to replace JJ with stallworth and it was a huge step down. it was clear JJ played a role in the work ethic of BE and once stallworth was here, they were just kids fooling around. he ends up gashing edwards and edwards is out for the preseason. to this day, i think that was the moment that sent edwards down the wrong path to where he is now instead of maintaining that pro bowl form from 07. further, right before the start of the cowboys game, stallworth pulls himself out with a leg injury. while it may not be his fault to get the injury nor is it unreasonable to pull himself out if he has one, that he put the team in that type of situation, whether it was in his control or not, shows he's someone who cannot be depended on. at this point, he has neither shown me amazing hands or route running, but he does have some speed. does he hold any value where we can justify him taking snaps away from our young receivers or potentially a signed vet? i don't think so.

i don't care at all about the past but i do think there are indicators for what we can expect from him if he were in camp with us and the impact he may or may not have on our young receivers. it's unfortunate that he killed a man but considering i'm just a fan and i don't have to evaluate character, i just look at what stallworth did for us as a wr and that's just a little bit more than nothing. we don't need him and i don't want him..

I think the Browns should bring him in to camp and let him try to earn a spot. I have always though Stallworth had the potential to be a very good WR. If he earns a spot great. If not then we move on.

I say send him to the jets first... let him spike his buddy again.

Really steve? You make this another braylon thread?

As far as I know, He is still under contract. That means he shows up in camp this summer

Toad, I like his increased baseand some performance escalators built in as well. Be generous to those who sell tickets. And I like the idea of a wildcat offense with say two or more QBs perhaps. We run JC up the middle most often or on a veer pattern. But THROWING is a huge option in some of that as well. Hoping a new OC setup will "milk every cow " on the field.

honestly, I did not like the Stallworth signing when we got him in FA....too many injuries, not enough production for the salary we signed him to.

but, I have grown to respect him much more through this incident....what he did was horrible. but, so many athletes give the false apology and setup a media tour to try to spin things.

donte is one of the few that seemed absolutely devastated about the entire situation. not just 'i'm not going to get to play football and make $$ devastated' but 'how am i going to go on with my life' devastated. he hasn't pointed fingers (that I have seen) and has taken responsibility. he was open about doing right by the family and that settlement happened quickly (meaning it wasn't just rhetoric).

I am open to giving him a 2nd chance and hoping that he truly has learned an incredibly difficult life lesson from all of this and is a better man from it. if not, then we cut ties with him as quickly as possible and move on.

I tend to agree that he's probably not worth keeping. However... He's already signed and we need receivers. I say let him come in and work out through Camp Mangini and let the powers-that-be decide if he's worth anything. Or not. I don't really care but I'd rather let the decision be based on his ability to help the team than anything else. The past is just that. I want to know if he can do anything to help the Browns in 2010.

Not sure if I have expressed a opinion on this or not, and don't feel like scrolling back..

I think if the guy has something to offer, some team is going to give him a shot. Since we have the first option, we should give him that shot.

I would tell the guy that while mini camps and off season training are optional for the most part, a large part of our decision is going to be based on what we see there.

If we like what we see, then we will take it to the next level and see if he can make the team just like it would be in any other year.

At this point, I think it would be a mistake to summarily dismiss the guy.

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At this point, I think it would be a mistake to summarily dismiss the guy

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Agree Peen!!!!

He is as good or better than any receiver we have right now. At this point.....it meens you keep him.

IMO

I don't think he's better than Massaquoi.

Everyone else? Yes.

look at Stallworth's stats.

Not too bad.

So many judge him on his 1 year with us only.

I know he is above-average receiver.

I'm saying Massaquoi is above-averager.

(Averager is a word right?)

If MoMass is better than Stallworth I got no problemo.

But ....... where is Robo?

Didn't see this one coming....

Donte Stallworth's Browns tenure likely drawing to a close as suspension ends: NFL Insider
By Tony Grossi
January 23, 2010, 8:16PM

Donte Stallworth's return to the NFL will come in February, but his time with the Browns is likely drawing short.CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns have no intention of bringing back receiver Donte' Stallworth when his one-year suspension is lifted by Commissioner Roger Goodell after the Super Bowl.

It will be the first major decision on a player to be made by the new Browns regime of President Mike Holmgren and General Manager Tom Heckert, and it will not be a hard one.

Stallworth was suspended on Aug. 13 after pleading guilty to DUI/manslaughter, a second-degree felony in Florida, as a result of striking and killing pedestrian Mario Reyes while under the influence of alcohol on March 14.

Goodell did the Browns a favor by suspending Stallworth for the season because it saved the Browns about $7.6 million of room on their 2009 salary cap.

The team, however, was legally bound to pay Stallworth a $4.5 million bonus, which he earned by being on the team's roster on March 13 -- the day before the accident. The final payment of that bonus was due on Jan. 10.

It is believed that most, if not all, of Stallworth's bonus money was used to pay the family of Reyes in a plea-bargain agreement with Florida prosecutors that avoided a lengthy jail term. He served 24 days in prison.

If the Browns re-instated Stallworth, his contract calls for another $1 million roster bonus on March 18 and a base salary in 2010 of $2.775 million. There are other bonuses worth $550,000 if Stallworth played the whole season.

So that's not going to happen.

Stallworth had about $25.2 million left on his Browns contract through 2014. He probably wasn't going to ever see all that money, even if the accident hadn't occurred.

There would be no impact on the salary cap by releasing him because the league is expected to abolish the salary cap system in March as a result of failed negotiations to extend the current labor agreement.

If by some unexpected development the league reaches an agreement and the salary cap system is maintained, Stallworth would count only $435,000 on the Browns' 2010 cap if released.

But he didn't come away empty-handed.

In addition to the $4.5 million roster bonus paid in 2009, Stallworth received a $4.5 million signing bonus in 2008. His base salary in '08 was $605,000. So the Browns paid Stallworth $9.605 million for one season. He played in 11 games and had 17 catches for 170 yards and one touchdown.

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In addition to the $4.5 million roster bonus paid in 2009, Stallworth received a $4.5 million signing bonus in 2008. His base salary in '08 was $605,000. So the Browns paid Stallworth $9.605 million for one season. He played in 11 games and had 17 catches for 170 yards and one touchdown.

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In comparison, Cribbs in 2009 had as a WR 20 catches for 135 yards and one touchdown.

Yes, you know where I'm going with this..

For the record....I saw it coming a long time ago.

Can't say I agree with the move. At least on the surface. Are we prepared to pay more than what we owed Stallworth to go sign a FA? Or...are we targeting an Arrelious Benn type guy in the 2nd round AGAIN? Or...are we just gonna run the ball 58 times a game again b/c we have literally 0 WRs?

While I'm all for running the football, I don't particularly like any of those 3 options. I'd rather have just kept him.

All of this is of course predicated on the fact that he's a) healthy and b) turned his personal life around. If these are the issues the Browns have with him then I can't say I blame them.

Not trying to string things along but no where on this article did it quote any CB official as saying they would not bring him back. I am not saying they will or wont but is Grossi just trying to use a educated guess or does he have sources?

He said neither......

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If the Browns re-instated Stallworth, his contract calls for another $1 million roster bonus on March 18 and a base salary in 2010 of $2.775 million. There are other bonuses worth $550,000 if Stallworth played the whole season.

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If this adds up i come up with $3.775 mil....and possibly additional 550 grand. Thats around 4.3 mil a year...

Dats a load

I agree, for 1.5 mil the guys worth bringing back for a look.

If it's more than that, have a nice life Donte.

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Not trying to string things along but no where on this article did it quote any CB official as saying they would not bring him back.

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Just remember,, grossi also said that Cowher would be our HC last season before we hired Mangini and also is the one that speculated that Rogers would be traded this season (could still happen) and he said that mangini would be fired..

Take it with a grain of salt.

On contract dollars however. If he turns out to be right,, damn, that's a lotta money for a guy that's been out for a year and wasn't productive the year before... I think I'd have to pass. so this time, Grossi might actually be right...

j/c

I smell an offer to DS that we will cut him and re-sign him to a new incentive-based contract if he is willing to do so. League minimum base with performance incentives.

If he is not willing, we will just cut him and move on.

That's what I would do if his salary is over the reported 1.5 mil anyway.

I would expect that we look for an established veteran WR in gree agency if we decide against Stallworth.

We need a solid #2.

looks like we wont have to worry about this afterall