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There have been small discussions on this in other threads but not a full blown thread dedicated to it.
I'm pretty sure Derek Anderson has obliterated whatever trade value he had left after this season and Brady Quinn sure as hell let his stock drop. But I believe the starting QB of the Browns in 2010 is narrowed down to three players, especially after the Pete Carroll shocker.
In no particular order:
1) Matt Hasselbeck
2) Kevin Kolb
3) (VERY OUTSIDE CHANCE) Donovan McNabb
Honorable mention goes to Jeff Garcia, but I don't see the past becoming the present again.
Thoughts?
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Not to start a bunch of junk but BQ will have to be added to that mix .SORRY but true!!!!  Of the three you mentioned only Kolb would be of any interest. He has shown and we know less of him than BQ , McNabb or Hasselbeck. Hard for me to get giddy at all of any of the prospects out there.....at this point. More can and will change plus i feel trading will be at a premium this year. 
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I agree that BQ deserves a shot to show what he could do in a professional offensive scheme. He looked much better under Chud than he did with Daboll's offense, so I think the jury is still out on Quinn.
Another possibility could be Troy Smith, who asked the Ravens to trade him. Although trades are rare inside a Division, maybe a 3 team deal involving DA and a later round pick? Maybe not.
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In no particular order:
1) Matt Hasselbeck
2) Kevin Kolb
3) (VERY OUTSIDE CHANCE) Donovan McNabb
Forget McScab and Hasselbeck...U want PERMANENT fixes at QB???
Kolb is a possibility...But I see ZERO way Philly gives up on McScab's successor...And his time is coming...SOON...
If we go draft and NOT Quinn???...Welcome your new QB in Cleveland...
Jimmy Clausen... 
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I think Hasselbeck is a real possibility for us next year. I don't see seattle wanting to pay him 10 million next year. If we can get him for the right price, I would be all for it.
I also understand Kolb to be a pretty decent QB. I could live with that as well.
McNabb is a pretty good QB, But i personally can't stand the guy. I would much rather have Hasselbeck or Kolb.
But then again, I'm okay with giving Brady another year as well. I think he's never really got a fair shake here. IMHO
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???...Welcome your new QB in Cleveland...
Jimmy Clausen...
Lets hope not!!!! 
I would take Tebow 10 to 1 over Clausen....anf i am not a huge supporter that Tebow (as a qb) will make the change. I am apt to change my thoughts though.
I would be more likely to look at Pike in the middle rounds. Not real big on the upper tier qbs this year.
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In no particular order:
1) Matt Hasselbeck
2) Kevin Kolb
3) (VERY OUTSIDE CHANCE) Donovan McNabb
Forget McScab and Hasselbeck...U want PERMANENT fixes at QB???
Kolb is a possibility...But I see ZERO way Philly gives up on McScab's successor...And his time is coming...SOON...
If we go draft and NOT Quinn???...Welcome your new QB in Cleveland...
Jimmy Clausen...
Honestly, I don't care if it's a stopgap or a permanent fix at QB as long as we have a GOOD QB!
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Whoever Holmgren picks as QB is fine with me. He seems to be pretty good at making that decision.
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Why do you think it will be one of these three? Just because of Holmgren and Heckert? Just wondering. I can't imagine we trade for Hasselbeck or McNabb, and I think Philly would be asking for the world for Kolb at this point. There's a possibility that Hasselbeck is cut, but then they're left with nobody at QB.
My view on existing players:
Anderson is likely gone due to bonus/salary.
Quinn is likely sticking around because he's inexpensive.
Not sure about Ratliff or Bartell.
Here's the list of UFAs (according to KFFL):
Charlie Batch Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Boller St. Louis Rams
Mark Brunell New Orleans Saints
*Jason Campbell Washington Redskins
David Carr New York Giants
*Kellen Clemens New York Jets
*Brodie Croyle Kansas City Chiefs
Daunte Culpepper Detroit Lions
Jake Delhomme Carolina Panthers
Rex Grossman Houston Texans
*Tarvaris Jackson Minnesota Vikings
Jon Kitna Dallas Cowboys
Josh McCown Carolina Panthers
*Chad Pennington Miami Dolphins
*Chris Redman Atlanta Falcons
*Sage Rosenfels Minnesota Vikings
D.J. Shockley Atlanta Falcons
*Brian St. Pierre Arizona Cardinals
Charlie Whitehurst San Diego Chargers
I put an asterisk next to the ones I think are possibilities for the Browns.
Here's the list of RFAs (according to KFFL):
Matt Moore Carolina Panthers
Kyle Orton Denver Broncos
Troy Smith Baltimore Ravens
I don't think any of these guys are real possiblilties.
Then of course there is the draft...
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Quinn and bring in a vet willing to groom/share the load. I'm hijacking here on purpose--can we please concentrate on a RT ? Or, a Safety,.... Or a Linebacker,.... Or, just plain wait until Holmgren let's us know what he wants to do ?
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Campbell, Clemens, Croyle, and Jackson will all probably be restricted free agents due to the CBA situation (which I don't fully understand, some pretty crazy things going on there.)
The other guys you asterisked, St. Pierre, Pennington, Redman, and Rosenfels, I wouldn't want anything to do with any of them. They are either old and injured (Pennington.) A little old and proven to be average (Sage Rosenfels who is 31 years old.) Or just plain bad (St. Pierre and Redman.)
My guess is we stay with Brady Quinn for one more year. It's likely that if he's not successful, the team won't be successful. And if the team isn't successful we will probably have a new coach. That's when we draft a QB or bring someone in (Kolb/McNabb.)
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I think Hasselbeck is a real possibility for us next year. I don't see seattle wanting to pay him 10 million next year. If we can get him for the right price, I would be all for it.
Me too. He'll get a pretty good pass blocking line here, and will help the WRs develop. He'd also be a great mentor for the "right" QB, Quinn or somebody else.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Quinn and bring in a vet willing to groom/share the load.
I'm hijacking here on purpose--can we please concentrate on a RT ?
Or, a Safety,....
Or a Linebacker,....
Or, just plain wait until Holmgren let's us know what he wants to do ?
I agree...I don't think QB is even a top 5 need this year. I totally understand that people are underwhelmed with what we have, but I'd rather have a good foundation then bring in someone to get us the rest of the way.
I wouldn't have a problem with bringing in a FA QB though, as long as it doesn't become yet another QB sideshow for the Browns.
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I understand people's thoughts about not wanting to go QB this year as there are no real slam dunk QB picks... However, let's also remember that we don't guarantee that we pick top 10 next year. Even if BQ fails, the defence and running game may continue to give us some victories and we end up with a better record and a worse draft position.
SO I guess the question I'm asking is are the QBs avail at 7 this year better than what could be had at 15 next year?
I'm honestly undecided where to go for our first round pick, especially as the players that I'd want are likely to be gone. I'm hoping that Haden is available at 7 as he would give us a BPA type pick and I think is relatively safe.
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I understand people's thoughts about not wanting to go QB this year as there are no real slam dunk QB picks... However, let's also remember that we don't guarantee that we pick top 10 next year. Even if BQ fails, the defence and running game may continue to give us some victories and we end up with a better record and a worse draft position.
SO I guess the question I'm asking is are the QBs avail at 7 this year better than what could be had at 15 next year?
I'm honestly undecided where to go for our first round pick, especially as the players that I'd want are likely to be gone. I'm hoping that Haden is available at 7 as he would give us a BPA type pick and I think is relatively safe.
I will say that obviously if the best player available is a QB then we should probably pull the trigger. I just think the defensive backfield needs a lot of help, as does the LB corps, and the right side of our OL. Of course we need to see what happens in free agency, maybe we can fill some of those holes first.
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I'd take the chance at getting Jake Locker over this year's craptastic QB class.
And let's be honest. If our QB fails (whoever it is) we will probably be drafting in the top 10 next year.
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Here's the list of UFAs (according to KFFL):
Charlie Batch Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Boller St. Louis Rams
Mark Brunell New Orleans Saints
*Jason Campbell Washington Redskins
David Carr New York Giants
*Kellen Clemens New York Jets
*Brodie Croyle Kansas City Chiefs
Daunte Culpepper Detroit Lions
Jake Delhomme Carolina Panthers
Rex Grossman Houston Texans
*Tarvaris Jackson Minnesota Vikings
Jon Kitna Dallas Cowboys
Josh McCown Carolina Panthers
*Chad Pennington Miami Dolphins
*Chris Redman Atlanta Falcons
*Sage Rosenfels Minnesota Vikings
D.J. Shockley Atlanta Falcons
*Brian St. Pierre Arizona Cardinals
Charlie Whitehurst San Diego Chargers
All I can say to that is - Ughh.
The only one I would even consider is Pennington and that is only as a backup.
The only Qb I would consider in round 1 in Bradford, if the shoulder is sound which given the progress medicine has made over the years should be if he works hard at rehab.
I can easily see us trading one of our 5th round picks for Hasselbeck or maybe Quinn or both to Seattle for Matt. Hasselbeck for 2 years and then a now pro ready Bradford doesn't sound too bad until I consider that drafting Bradford means we didn't get Berry or Haden.
I like Thigpen (currently the Dolphins #3 Qb)
I wish I knew more about what we had with Radford.
Bartell is no longer with us.
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thanks for the effort,,, to be honest, I don't see one on that list that excites me.. at least not as a long term answer.
I have a new appreciation for Kyle Orton since he's been in Denver.. I have no idea if he'd fit into whatever out intentions are next season..
Chad Pennington is a good QB but he's near or at the end..
Beyond that,, nothing even remotely excites me... even a little..
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I'd take the chance at getting Jake Locker over this year's craptastic QB class.
And let's be honest. If our QB fails (whoever it is) we will probably be drafting in the top 10 next year.
We had little to no pass game this year and we're picking 7th. Even if next year is as bad, which it shouldn't be, there is no way Locker makes it out of the top 5.
Locker is a pipedream.....and I think an overrated one at that.
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Not to start a bunch of junk but BQ will have to be added to that mix .SORRY but true
No, no and NO...This kid has proven that his accuracy is not there and he has no arm strength to get the ball down field in the winter months..... 
Our season next year depends on our QB position play.
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With a potential lock out looming on the horizon for 2011, if I were Locker I'd rethink not coming out this year. The season is over so he doesn't risk the injury problem that Bradford is plagued with, he goes top 5 pretty easily, gets a big payday, possibly the last one for rooks and he can spend his time during the lockout if it happens finishing his degree.
If he goes back to school he can finish his degree and deliver pizza's in 2011.
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I don't understand all the hate toward Clausen. If Suh and Berry aren't there... I think QB becomes #1 on our board. We could draft Haden or Bryant (both of which would make me a happy fan), but new regime may signal new QB and I like Clausen's arm and prior experience in the WCO. He also has played through some injuries and shown his toughness. I've also heard a lot about his attitude problems...well... Roethlisberger (from teammates) and Rivers have shown their attitudes too. Rivers sometimes looks like a jackass, but he is getting things done on the field. If ND had a defense and won 3 or 4 more games, Clausen would have been the Heisman Winner and fighting Suh for the 1st pick in the draft.
I think I would rather have a QB with experience in the WCO and a good arm compared to the QB running the spread offense and is mediocre in arm strength and currently dealing with a bum shoulder.
JMHO
I would fall over if Berry fell to us.... but I would be happy with Bryant, Clausen, Haden, Bradford.... in that order.
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Jeff Garcia!!
Seriously...he did well in Philly....could be one year holdover? I don't like him but is a possibility
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Are we even running Holmgren's system?
From what I've heard Holmgren kept the entire coaching staff intact. This means we will be running the same system as last year. Which means no West Coast Offense.
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I wouldn't bet on that (even though I personally did  )
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From what I've heard Holmgren kept the entire coaching staff intact. This means we will be running the same system as last year. Which means no West Coast Offense.
Thus far, only the WR coach is gone.. (George McDonald) His choice,, went to Rutgers as thier receivers coach or something.
That doesn't mean that everyone else is safe. At least I don't think it means that.
As for Holmgren wanting a WCO.. Seriously, I don't know the answer to this, but does anyone actually think it could be established in one season? I've been made to believe that it's an intricate system that takes moocho practice and time to master.
I've also been led to believe (by many, but mostly Toad) that it takes a certain kinda QB to make it work.. Quick release, smart, mobile and accurate I believe were the criteria. Do we even have that guy on the team right now? Most would say no.
So a rapid switch to the WCO (at least as I perceive it to be) would take more than 1 year anyway.. Maybe holmgren looked at Daboll and some others including Mangini and saw his next set of diciples to develop.... Maybe a whole new branch of the Holmgren tree 
Might be as simple as that... dunno
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I understand people's thoughts about not wanting to go QB this year as there are no real slam dunk QB picks... However, let's also remember that we don't guarantee that we pick top 10 next year. Even if BQ fails, the defence and running game may continue to give us some victories and we end up with a better record and a worse draft position.
SO I guess the question I'm asking is are the QBs avail at 7 this year better than what could be had at 15 next year?
I'm honestly undecided where to go for our first round pick, especially as the players that I'd want are likely to be gone. I'm hoping that Haden is available at 7 as he would give us a BPA type pick and I think is relatively safe.
THAT is an excellent counter-argument. Thank you.
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My bad, thought he might have been on practice squad. All the better...
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If i were to go after a curent start, Kyle Orton would be my guy,
He shouldn't break the bank, and was a 4th round pick entering the draft, and if he's an RFA, (and he shouldn't be since he is finishing his 5th year ... unless. of course, we wind up with no labor deal) he'd only cost a 4th rounder.
He's not a great QB .... but I think he's the kind of QB Mangini would prefer .... a solid guy who is accurate and intelligent. He doesn't have the strongest arm .... but he is solid otherwise. 63% with 21 TDs and 12 INT would look pretty damn good in Cleveland ... especially if we get a real running game going.
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10 QB's out of USC to make the playoffs?
The next QB to come out is who I'd pick LOL
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Boy do I wish we didn't pass on Matt Sanchez... Not to say I am not satisfied by Mack, but Sanchez sure looks like the real deal. Shoulda got more... 
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I said that when we made the trade,...if the Jets wanted him THAT BAD, we should have held them hostage BIG TIME.
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Yep...Clausen's got Attitude alright...And I LOVE IT...Give me a dude that's gonna tell u right to your defensive face with 2 minutes to go "I'M COMIN' AT YOU"...
2 things will be pointed out about Clausen from now till draft day...
1) Attitude---BFD
2) Notre Dame...Bigger BFD
Clausen's gonna be a solid QB in the NFL...
PRAY that Bradford goes Top 5...I want no part of this dude...He's a MAJOR project coming from that Offensive System...He's a major hit or miss risk...
And anyone even thinking Tebow needs to realize he will get KILLED with that Slo-Motion delivery he has...And u don';t fix that...Winner or no winner...
Quinn if we stay pat...Clausen if we go new...
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I wouldn't bet on that (even though I personally did )
I ASSume u talkin' WCO...
U can dream it all day man...WTF's gonna run it and call it on Sundays???
We don't even have anyone on the field that even KNOWS what it is...
Unless we CHANGE OC's...And that's a real possibility...Then we can talk...
Hope u didn't bet too much chief... 
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I agree. I would rather have Clausen over Bradford if i had to be strapped to one.
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I agree. I would rather have Clausen over Bradford if i had to be strapped to one.
And dig this...
IF we need a QB...I'm THAT confident this kid will be better than Sanchez that I'd GO UP AND GET EM'...
As in TRADE UP...
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And anyone even thinking Tebow needs to realize he will get KILLED with that Slo-Motion delivery he has...And u don';t fix that...Winner or no winner...
If we were in a position to draft Tebow, and this goes for anyone who drafts him, I think the organization would be willing to change the entire offensive scheme to get that guy going. ie Wildcat Offense
I don't like Tebow, but probably more so b/c I'm a georgia fan.. If I take the blinders off, he's a great player.
Tebow taking the snap with Cribbs and Harrison/Davis in the backfield is Scary! Very Scary!
If the Browns trade down like last year, and Tebow is there, he has to be an option. You can't pass on greatness, not if you are the Cleveland Browns.
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doing my best Miss Cleo impression, here is how our QB position will prolly look in 2010:
- Quinn
- a vet not named Anderson
- a draftee/prospect
The development of Quinn into a starting QB is THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN THE SUCCESS OF THE ORGANIZATION at this point in time.
If that were to happen then the FO can concentrate on using the available resources to fill other areas of need. Those resources include Free Agency and the draft.
Mike has seen several good and great QBs and should be able to tell if BQ can be developed or not
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j/c....
so far, clausen's resume sounds eerily familiar.....we've been down that dead-end road before....
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