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he's a stopgap for a year or three.. wouldn't that be your opinion as well?
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Philly trading QB McNabb or Kolb?
By Mark J. Miller
The Philadelphia Eagles cleaned out their lockers yesterday after a playoff loss to the Dallas Cowboys on Saturday and it appears that the team could be trading one of its quarterbacks in the off-season, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.
Donovan McNabb(notes) only has one more year left on his contract and it seems that he's done basically everything that he can do in Philadelphia over the last 11 seasons.
Head coach Andy Reid, team president Joe Banner, and soon-to-be-named general manager Howie Roseman will apparently try to figure out in the coming weeks what the chances are for this team to go all the way next year. If Reid likes his chances, Kolb, with one year left on his contract, might get traded. But if he doesn't, McNabb could be shown the door.
Reid said after the Cowboys game that he expect McNabb to be back. But one never knows, especially with the fact that one of the quarterbacks could be traded in order to get some defensive help.
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I like the Sooners too...but I love Bradford 
Break this one down for me Tabs...
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Spread Offense...Requires virtually ZERO footwork...That's going to severely hurt this kid in an NFL offense...Talk to me about 3 and 5 and 7 step drops...Everything in me tells me this kid is going to struggle forever in the NFL...Coaching or not...That's 50-50 at it's best...
Injuries...This shoulder thing is telling me he is way beyond fragile...
I know he's accurate...But it's coming from the gun...He never has to set-up...
I'm gonna start a Clausen vs Bradford thread in the new Draft Forum...IF IT EVER GETS PUT UP??????????????????
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doing my best Miss Cleo impression, here is how our QB position will prolly look in 2010:
- Quinn
- a vet not named Anderson
- a draftee/prospect
Going off of this i'll go ahead and make a couple predictions and a wish.
Yes Quinn will be here next year and Anderson won't.
The vet that might get brought in that wouldn't suprise me is Seneca Wallace. Holmgren is familiar with him and seemed to been very comfortable with him being the backup at Seattle.
One of two guy's that I would like to bring in are Troy Smith if we can get a fair deal for him and we don't go after Seneca Wallace (not that I want to anyways). But if we do bring in any of those two no matter which one I would like to draft Christian Ponder somewhere around the 4th round or later depending on if he comes out. Not sure where he is slated to go right now, have to see how his shoulder heals and how he does in the combine provided he does come out and is able to work out.
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Not a 100% sure on this, but I thought I read that he was staying in school next season.
I don't know if it has been offical yet or not, but staying in school would be his best interest. He's extremely raw, but the tools are there to be a Top 5 Pick next year or 2012.
He's staying in school
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yeah wojo...once Heckert signs today...we will be hearing a lot of McNabb and Kolb solutions/rumors and speculations, especially from the Bozo's 
We got Clausen I guess cause of Quinn?
We got Hasselback cause of MH?
We got McNabb n Kolb cause of Heckert?
Don't we have anyone here related to somebody from Oklahoma???
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anyways, It's only natural to look at that situation b/c people always bring in prople they are comfortable with or know better then another player especially at the QB position where we need help and there are interesting dynamics going on with both Seattle/Philly
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Do the Cleveland Browns have preliminary targets in another QB hunt? Tony Grossi analysis
By Tony Grossi
January 13, 2010, 7:15PM
BEREA, Ohio -- One thing became clear after listening to the Browns' new decision-makers this week: They want to do something about the team's quarterback situation.
Both President Mike Holmgren and General Manager Tom Heckert expressed, um, amazement that the Browns could win four games at the end of the year while averaging 91 yards passing.
Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson each quarterbacked the team to two wins in the winning streak. Their combined totals for the four games was 31 completions in 65 attempts for 363 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions. That equates to a passer rating of 50.99 in a league where 80.0 is considered average.
"Normally you can't win that way," said Holmgren, who made his reputation as a quarterback guru. "You can have the greatest running game in the world and play good defense, but if you only throw six balls a game you are not going to win. We've got to look at that."
Heckert said, "Like Mike said, it's a throwing league and that's how you score points. Running the football, playing good defense and controlling the clock is great, but you do need to throw the football."
Holmgren was lukewarm in commenting about Quinn, who finished his second season in a row on injured reserve. Quinn has seen a specialist for a Lisfranc foot injury (a sprain or fracture) in the top mid-section of his left foot and will be examined again by team doctors next week. So far, surgery has been ruled out.
Anderson finished the season healthy, but produced the worst numbers of his five-year career. He is due to be paid a $2 million roster bonus in March and another $7.45 million in base salary -- the final season of the three-year contract he won after leading the Browns to 10 wins in 2007, making the AFC Pro Bowl team as an alternate and making Phil Savage, Romeo Crennel and Rob Chudzinski wealthier men through contract extensions.
So it's very possible that the Browns will enter the 2010 season with their eighth starting quarterback in 12 years and seventh in the last eight years.
When it comes to finding the next Browns' quarterback, you have to start with Holmgren and Heckert. That leads you to three primary candidates -- Matt Hasselbeck of Seattle, and Donovan McNabb and Kevin Kolb of Philadelphia.
Here's a closer look at their situations:
Matt Hasselbeck: Holmgren assisted in the drafting of him in Green Bay in the sixth round in 1998 and then traded for him as Seattle coach and GM in 2001. Hasselbeck was the NFC Pro Bowl starter after taking the Seahawks to the Super Bowl in the 2005 season.
Injuries made his last two seasons his worst as a starter. Hasselbeck, 34, is due a $1 million roster bonus on March 11 and is under contract in 2010 for $5.75 million.
The Seahawks are in transition after hiring Pete Carroll as their new coach this week. Carroll gave Hasselbeck a strong endorsement at his introductory press conference.
"I know that we have a quarterback that has played really good football in his career," Carroll said. "That is one of the key elements of putting together a team that has a chance to win right away. You've got to have a quarterback. I know that we have a first-class guy in Matt and I can't wait to get working with him.
"The NFL is a quarterback-driven process. So the fact that we have Matt Hasselbeck here is a big factor to me. He's played the game. He's been a champion. He knows how to get the thing done. We've got to get his support group and his play to the level that gives us a chance to play great football."
Despite the strong words, there is some sentiment that Carroll could go in another direction and make a play for former USC quarterback Matt Leinart, who's been a bust in Arizona.
Donovan McNabb/Kevin Kolb: Coach Andy Reid and McNabb have been together for an NFL-high 11 years, but it appears likelier than ever that a divorce is coming.
What is likely to be a fervent off-season debate in Philadelphia comes down to simple math. McNabb is 33, Kolb is 25. Both are entering their final seasons under contract in 2010. McNabb will make $5 million, Kolb $550,000.
McNabb was Reid's first draft pick upon leaving Holmgren's huge shadow in Green Bay and taking over as Eagles coach in 1999. The Browns chose Tim Couch one notch ahead of him, No. 1 overall.
Kolb was a second-round pick in 2007, taken 14 spots after the Browns traded a future No. 1 to select Quinn 22nd overall. Kolb has been impressive in spot duty.
Since both quarterbacks have contracts expiring after 2010, the feeling is the Eagles will finally seek to trade one. After the Eagles were thumped out of the playoffs by rival Dallas last weekend, Reid said McNabb would be his quarterback next year.
But he backed off somewhat this week, saying, "We'll look at all of this. Obviously, I haven't gotten to the points that you're asking here with comparing players, contracts, and everything else. I'm not at that point right now."
Gail Burton / APKevin Kolb's status in Philadelphia may depend on whether the Eagles get a better trade offer for him, or for the veteran Donovan McNabb.Some believe the Eagles would entertain offers for both quarterbacks and choose the best trade -- not necessarily the best quarterback. Given Kolb's youth and impressive play in spot duty, he may command more on the trade market.
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Thanks for that article, mac. I was wondering just how likely any of those 3 candidates would be as I think they're all probably upgrades for us.
Sounds like Carroll wants to hang onto Matt. Don't know too much about Kolb, but I would take McNabb in a heartbeat. Then the Brown's braintrust can find us a viable 3-7 round pick at QB that we can develop for a few years.
I also don't rule out them bringing in someone none of us know... someone one of them scouted and liked but another team picked in the middle rounds of the draft. Seems like every new front office likes to bring in a developmental guy they've known about before coming here.
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i truly hope that is true about Philly....I would certainly pay more in a trade for Kolb than McNabb. I am a McNabb fan, but his injury history and age are factors against him, while Kolb is an incredibly accurate player.
Kolb needs to learn how to close out games...he was like Aaron Rodgers in 2008 in his limited experience this season. While impressive and good statistically, there's another hump into actually translating those into wins. Rodgers made that leap this year (and yes, defensive improvement always helps as well). I would love for Kolb to make that leap with the Browns next year.
That said, I doubt...highly doubt....that Philly let's Kolb go for anything short of a mint in a trade.
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OTHER VETERANS
• Michael Vick: The Eagles hold a $3.75 million contract option on the fallen athletic marvel. If they don't pick it up, he's a free agent. They could exercise the option and try to trade him.
• A.J. Feeley: Well-traveled since Heckert made him a fifth-round pick in 2001. Heckert then heisted away a second-round pick from Miami in a trade in 2004. Feeley was traded a second time (to San Diego) and then re-signed by the Eagles in a pinch in 2006. He was with Carolina in 2009 and will be an unrestricted free agent.
• Kellen Clemens: His chances of becoming the 12th former New York Jet to join the Browns were killed when coach Eric Mangini was bumped down by Holmgren and Heckert. Besides, he's likely to only be a restricted free agent and wouldn't be worth a second-round pick in compensation.
• Josh McCown: Another journeyman who keeps finding jobs, like Feeley. The 2002 third-round draft pick of Arizona, he's worn four other uniforms in the last four years -- Detroit, Oakland, Miami and Carolina. He's 30 and will be an unrestricted free agent.
• Trent Edwards: Nobody knows who will coach the Buffalo Bills but everyone assumes Edwards won't be their quarterback. He's only 26 and is under contract through 2010, so the Bills might try to finagle a mid-round draft pick for the 2007 third-round pick.
Not to change the subject, but I really, really hope they are not considering Vick as an option. I don't think I could root for the guy.
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We hear a lot about spread quarterbacks with very few reps out from under center being a bad fit for the NFL. It makes sense that it would take years to develop the ability to make reads while quickly dropping back, at the NFL level.
The niners just gave up, put Alex Smith in the shotgun and got some productivity out of it.
But...there isn't anyone who worked more out of the shotgun/spread than Kevin Kolb. So, can someone tell me what's up? In those few games he has shown well, was he coming out from under center? Was he making multiple reads? Was he making the right ones? How was his footwork? Did he hang in the pocket?
Does anybody know?
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We hear a lot about spread quarterbacks with very few reps out from under center being a bad fit for the NFL. It makes sense that it would take years to develop the ability to make reads while quickly dropping back, at the NFL level.
The niners just gave up, put Alex Smith in the shotgun and got some productivity out of it.
But...there isn't anyone who worked more out of the shotgun/spread than Kevin Kolb. So, can someone tell me what's up? In those few games he has shown well, was he coming out from under center? Was he making multiple reads? Was he making the right ones? How was his footwork? Did he hang in the pocket?
Does anybody know?
I watched a lot of Kolb in college (Houston) and can tell you the one thing that stood out from him was that he was blindingly accurate. Even when he made the wrong reads, the ball would be in the perfect spot for his WR and he would get away with them.
Also, he didn't run quite the same offense that guys like Harrell and Bradford run (the spread-offense).... he ran it's predecessor, the run-n-shoot. It also had been a tough transition for some guys making the NFL jump (Ware and Klingler come to mind), but there is a little more to reading the defense and checking out of plays than in most spread-offenses.
he was almost entirely out of shotgun in college, so his footwork was the major concern coming out.
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in Philly, he, like McNabb, operated mostly under center on 1st and 2nd downs, but they like to put them in shotgun in obvious passing downs as well (more than most WCO systems).
in his starts this season, he seemed to have good footwork on the drop-back and his accuracy was definitely still there. not sure about his pre-snap of reading defenses though.
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I would like to see us pick up McNabb, would be a great mentor for BQ. Trade DA and pick up a QB in 3rd or 4th if Ratliff isnt any good. We may only get McNabb for a couple years but his leadership will help solidify the Browns.
I think it would also help in getting a top notch free agent WR. Hmm... let me think, semi-solid line only missing a piece with McNabb at QB with no primary receiver to go to. Sounds like whomever would gets the position, will be all pro. Brandon Marshall??? Do we have cap room?
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Kolb is a guy I have focused on from the day we hired Holmgren. There are not a lot of good QB prospects available in the draft, FA or possible trades.
Kolb has been waiting behind McNabb for 3 season and is entering the last year of his 4 yr contract. But McNabb is playing at such a high level finishing 2009 with a QB rating of 92.9, with 22 TDs and 10 Ints...and McNabb is only 33 yrs old and who knows how long he could play at that level?...just look at Favre and Kurt Warner.
I don't see how the Eagles could part with McNabb but Kolb could be another story. The Browns do some players the Eagles might be interested in and might be able to put together a package that might tempt the Eagles.
With Heckert and Holmgren working for the Browns, a deal with Philly for Kolb might improve the Browns chances.
But the truth is, the Eagles don't have to do anything and Kolb may be fine with waiting longer for McNabb to retire or move on.
The most economical possibility would be to draft a QB in a later round and then let Holmgren help mold him. I didn't realize it, but I just looked at where Hasselbeck was drafted..he was a 6th round draft pick of the Packers in 1998.
Another possibility might be Charlie Frye. Let's not forget, Holmgren made the deal that sent Frye to the Seahawks. Frye spent two years learning in Holmgren's system so Holmgren knows what he has in Frye. I look at Frye as another QB prospect that might blossom if he continued to learn under Holmgren. It took Hasselbeck 3 yrs in Holmgren's system before he began to blossom into a decent QB.
Then there is the possibility that Holmgren could see Quinn or Anderson as an option.
Finding someone to QB the Browns has to be the #1 priority for Holmgren.
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Do you have a name in the 3rd or 4th? Who in the heck will win us a Super Bowl that will be available then?
It sounds like if we don't go Clausen (which many hope we don't) then the money is on us picking up someone, either short or long term via some sort of trade.
I think its a real long shot that Holmgren will go into this season as BQ being the main and only real option.
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Holmgren and Heckert's first job: Find a quarterback
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 14, 2010 10:36 AM ET
Alright, we know.
The headline above is the type that inspires loving comments like: "Duh" and "Breaking: Water is wet" and "Mark McGwire did steroids." (My favorite, guaranteed on any post, no matter what it is: "Who cares?")
We know that the Browns need a quarterback, and it's obvious from Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert's comments that they know it too.
"You can have the greatest running game in the world and play good defense, but if you only throw six balls a game you are not going to win," Holmgren said in amazement over Cleveland's late-season run. "We've got to look at that."
Heckert also stressed that he was from a pass-first system in Philadelphia and you need to throw in the NFL to win. The men made it clear they are in the quarterback market.
Derek Anderson is due $9.45 million in 2010, including a $2 million bonus in March. He's not getting that money. Brady Quinn is coming off a foot injury and Holmgren gave him a "lukewarm" review for last season. Eric Mangini's faith in Quinn was shaky, so his return as head coach may not help Quinn's chances of being the starter.
Considering Heckert's history with the Eagles, Philadelphia represents an obvious place to target a quarterback.
With Anderson likely on the way out of town, the Browns really need two signal callers: A veteran to compete with Quinn and a young player to develop.
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Your point about Philly not doing anything for a year makes sense. Unless we put a first on the table they probably wait till next year before making their move.
As far as Charlie Frye goes. Holmgren has stood behind him and seen him throw. My feeling is that he knows Charlie doesn't have the arm to sling it into the Erie wind in December. Just reaching, but... Who knows. The WCO does make use of short passes, especially on early downs, but the three teams in our division know how to push and squeeze us. If we can't open them up downfield they make the field very short.
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I watched a lot of Kolb in college (Houston) and can tell you the one thing that stood out from him was that he was blindingly accurate. Even when he made the wrong reads, the ball would be in the perfect spot for his WR and he would get away with them.
Also, he didn't run quite the same offense that guys like Harrell and Bradford run (the spread-offense).... he ran it's predecessor, the run-n-shoot. It also had been a tough transition for some guys making the NFL jump (Ware and Klingler come to mind), but there is a little more to reading the defense and checking out of plays than in most spread-offenses.
he was almost entirely out of shotgun in college, so his footwork was the major concern coming out.
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in his starts this season, he seemed to have good footwork on the drop-back and his accuracy was definitely still there. not sure about his pre-snap of reading defenses though.
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I like the Sooners too...but I love Bradford
Break this one down for me Tabs...
WHY???
Spread Offense...Requires virtually ZERO footwork...That's going to severely hurt this kid in an NFL offense...Talk to me about 3 and 5 and 7 step drops...Everything in me tells me this kid is going to struggle forever in the NFL...Coaching or not...That's 50-50 at it's best...
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Also, he didn't run quite the same offense that guys like Harrell and Bradford run (the spread-offense).... he ran it's predecessor, the run-n-shoot.
Whoops, easy there Logo, hehe.
Sumlin doesn't use the Run and Shoot. He came from under Stoops and runs a version of the spread, but he's added a hurry-up aspect to it. Think the spread/no-huddle.
The closest thing to the Run and Shoot these days is at SMU, and even then June Jones has installed a shot-gun set, which isn't the run and shoot at all.
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Do you think that Kolb may be the answer?
If it was that easy we wouldn't be in this mess.
Everyone drafted or even makes a roster "could be the answer" for that position......you just can never tell for certain.
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OK, I'm reaching
But, that will give some of you the opportunity to deal with your anger.
If Holmgren actually puts on his shorts and steps out on the field to do some work with QB's, then does Toad's Campbell thing possibly come back into play?
Think about it. If Zorn were to give his friend a good report on Campbell this becomes very viable. Holmgren needs somone to build. Its what he does. I thought the Campbell talk might be dead, but...
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Logo,
Do you know anything about Keenum's game?
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Is Kolb even available? Does anyone even think he'd be someone that could be gotten in trade.. and what would the trade have to be? what would they want?
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You trying to call me a bozo?
Bozo's always has been my pet name for Sports Journalists, for the obvious reasons
Dawgindayton...unfortunately not many QBs from college nowadays work under center...And MH is a big believer of having the position work from under center - as for evaluating college QBs...it ain't easy - if so there wouldn't be so many 1st round misses.
But from what I saw Bradford had command of his footwork - good checkdowns and good footwork within the check down.
I don't expect a pick like Bradford to be given the keys from day one, I think MH would make it a personal hands on thing that nobody would feel imposed upon if he does. I would expect BQ or DA to have the helm for 2010 and it would be coaching him up and learning the NFL game as a priority.
Normally I would think DA would be gone (released cause the contract is too big for a trade of any kind be made) and BQ to be that starter.
But, and it scares me to no end. Every now n then when asked about the QBs MH will mention - we got a young QB, DA, who in a monday night game impressed the heck out of me (even in his 1/12 interview) - this scares me  So I have come to the realization that they would figure short term go with DA, Trade BQ cause his contract is rather attractive and groom Bradford the QB.
Is Bradford a ready 3, 5, 7 step drop - back foot hits and ball is away QB? No but who is? Clausen? If you got the footwork its not a hard thing to teach. Actually more to teach is the ball work in play action as these guys come in from shotgun and think playaction is this fake draw thing they do with their Front to the LOS.
But when I say I like Bradford...its cause I love his rhythm, his knowledge of the defender in his reads - ability to check down quickly make the right decisions and work his feet so that he will make a very accurate pass.
his risk/reward ratio is great.
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Whoops, easy there Logo, hehe.
Sumlin doesn't use the Run and Shoot. He came from under Stoops and runs a version of the spread, but he's added a hurry-up aspect to it. Think the spread/no-huddle.
The closest thing to the Run and Shoot these days is at SMU, and even then June Jones has installed a shot-gun set, which isn't the run and shoot at all.
and Sumlin didn't coach Kolb 
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Entering his second year as the head football coach at the University of Houston, Kevin Sumlin has already put his stamp on the Cougar football program. Taking over the reins of the program in December of 2007, Sumlin guided the Cougars to their fourth-straight bowl appearance
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The 44-year-old Sumlin spent the previous five seasons at the University of Oklahoma, where he served as both the co-offensive coordinator/wide receivers coach (2006-07) and special teams coordinator/tight ends coach (2003-05).
Kolb's coach was Art Briles. He wasn't a pure run-n-shoot guy either, but it looked more like it than the offense Sumlin is running (even though Briles technically learned the college game under Leach, he had his own offensive system he brought from the HS ranks)
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Gut feeling is they won't take just a second.
The first would probably do it, but we aren't going to do that.
Second and players? We do have a few that Philly would want. Somebody earlier was mentioning Rogers. If we take Cody, (or God loves us, Suh), then that could come into play. Although our second, and Rogers, is really steep. Too steep in my opinion.
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But, that will give some of you the opportunity to deal with your anger.
If Holmgren actually puts on his shorts and steps out on the field to do some work with QB's, then does Toad's Campbell thing possibly come back into play?
Think about it. If Zorn were to give his friend a good report on Campbell this becomes very viable. Holmgren needs somone to build. Its what he does. I thought the Campbell talk might be dead, but...
If the Redskins take Bradford or Claussen then they would be more likely to trade Campbell. The Redskins are also very desperate for OL help, so they might go tackle early. They may keep Campbell for awhile even if they draft a QB.
IMO, since the new regime took over it's more likely that Shanahan builds an OL around JC.
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Thanks,, I keep wondeirng if he's an answer to our QB woes..
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well i have to think that heckert and holmgren could make a decent decision on whether kolb can be that guy. if he can, it's kolb vs clausen vs bradford and, if you ask me, i'd always take someone who's shown something in the nfl vs a rookie, just because it's just too difficult to tell how a qb will perform in the nfl. we had people here screaming till they were red that quinn couldn't miss but now we're seeing that it's entirely possible. if heckert, who should know how philly really views kolb thinks he's worth getting, i won't lose sleep over sending a 1st.
that said, if we're able to trade down a couple spots, bag a 2nd, and then trade the 1st to get kolb, even better.
i think it's very unrealistic though and i think, if we were to trade for any eagles qb, it'd be mcnabb imo. i can't see them trading away kolb. i know i wouldn't if i were them. then again, who knows? quinn + a 3rd for kolb? might work.
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Break this one down for me Tabs...
WHY???
Spread Offense...Requires virtually ZERO footwork...That's going to severely hurt this kid in an NFL offense...Talk to me about 3 and 5 and 7 step drops...Everything in me tells me this kid is going to struggle forever in the NFL...Coaching or not...That's 50-50 at it's best...
Injuries...This shoulder thing is telling me he is way beyond fragile...
I know he's accurate...But it's coming from the gun...He never has to set-up...
U doing a bout-face here?
I thought Bradford was your guy?
He may be accurate but those things about his shoulder,mobilty concern me.
And if you do start a thread on Clausen vs Bradford,I'll be the first to say I'm not enamoured with either..they both have some serious knocks on them.
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What does anyone think it would cost us for Kolb? A 2nd round pick? or a 3rd?
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IMO, since the new regime took over it's more likely that Shanahan builds an OL around JC.
And I think we should follow suit, if Quinn's foot holds up. Get a Lineman first,...
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considering he was drafted in the 2nd and he looked good so far, he'll cost more than a two. how much more, i don't know. like i said,i don't think he'll even be available. we might be able to get him for a 1st. possibly trade down once, get a 2nd, then trade that pick to eagles to get kolb. i'd be ok with that. ideally, we're able to trade quinn (and/or DA) + a pick to the eagles to get kolb but i see no reason for them to do it.
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I'd see what it would cost to get Mike Vick.
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i would think it'd be around a 4th but i don't see why our staff would want him. they seem to be for smart decisions and accuracy at throws, neither of which vick brings to the table.
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If we don't draft a QB, I think we should go after Kolb, McNabb, Vick ... in that order.
All would be a HUGE upgrade over what we got ... HUGE.
If we want any chance of having a .500 to better season next year, we cannot go into the season without an upgrade at QB.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I've said it once and I'll say it again.
Why is there all this talk of us going out a QB that fits Holmgren's system? He is not coaching the team. Marty Mornhinwheg is not coaching the team. Jon Gruden is not coaching the team. Last time I checked, Mangini is coaching the team. And his offensive coordinator is Brian Daboll.
If we get any QB it would be one that fits into Daboll's offense. Not Holmgren's.
I expect Brady Quinn to be here next year because he played mediocre this last season, while showing a few flashes of brilliance (I know he wasn't brilliant, but I couldn't think of a better word.)
Anderson, I think, is on his way out. He showed his own flashes of brilliance. But we have seen those for 2+ seasons, while Quinn has proven himself 100% (I'd say he's proven himself 87.9%.) He also will make an exorbitant amount of money for a QB of his caliber. I see him most likely being released, but hopefully someone will take him in a trade. The only way he stays is if he restructures his contract.
I think the most likely scenario is this. Quinn gets another season, going into the season as the unquestioned starter. But we draft a "project" QB with one of our many mid-round picks (two 3's, one 4, and three 5's.) That QB might fit very nicely in a West Coast offense. After the season is through, a true evaluation will be made on Quinn (finally) and we will know if we need a QB for Mangini's system or for someone else.
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Is Mike Vick even seriously in this disussion?
I think we all agree that Kolb would cost more than a 2nd if they were willing to deal.
I do think the Eagles would seriously consider a 2nd and Rogers if they decided they were willing to let Kolb go. Again, that is steep.
One thing we haven't covered, what would we pay, or have to pay to get McNabb? How ticked would you be if we gave up a 2nd? Some people wouldn't like it.
And, what would Hasslebeck cost?
What would we pay?
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